# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 174
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3464 "2016-10-25T01:24:23Z")
Now I could ignore how shady that is and just comment that “it’s legal”, which is the only standard we’ve come to expect from this campaign. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3465 "2016-10-25T01:26:10Z")
So we can conclude from the above that Trump and all his little Trumpsters are ethically challenged and have a hard time staying on the right side of the law. Who knew? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3466 "2016-10-25T01:28:46Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > I am not clear how that can mesh. The basic libertarian ethos is _Hands Off, let the market police itself_. To do something to curb corporate profits would be very difficult while hewing to the mantra of _freedom_. Well, some of them may feel that corporations are making too much profit because of government interference (e.g. regulations for introducing new medicines, telcos being granted monopolies in certain cases, etc). And others are probably just idiots who don’t understand what Libertarians stand for. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3467 "2016-10-25T01:42:29Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > So, the [Telegraph](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/24/exclusive-investigation-donald-trump-faces-foreign-donor-fundrai/) decided to play a sting operation on both the Trump and Clinton campaigns and PACS: Posing as representatives of a Chinese investor, they approach both campaigns with an open desire to funnel $2 million Chinese dollars into the Presidential election. > > Which is against the law. > > All of the Clinton organizations didn’t bother to return the calls/messages. This is consistent with my experience. When I first attempted to donate on line to the Clinton campaign from an ISP in Indonesia, I was told they could not take my money until I showed proof of US citizenship. I had to send them a scan of my passport before they would take my money. I have been tempted to try to donate a teensy amount to the Trump campaign just to see if they are on the ball and do the same thing, but I can’t bear to do anything that might start a flood of emails from the Trump campaign begging me for money. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3468 "2016-10-25T01:44:24Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > Dear lord, this is internet 101. > > What’s wrong with that team? I am astonished that his legal team thought “damn, someone got to the domain before we even thought to…let’s threaten to sue!” This happens sometimes - the smartest way to handle it is to try and buy the domain, but I am guessing the owner really doesn’t want to sue. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3469 "2016-10-25T01:48:48Z")
New York Times: [The 281 People, Places and Things Donald Trump Has Insulted on Twitter: A Complete List](http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html) > [@](#): > > Since declaring his candidacy for president last June, Donald Trump has used Twitter to lob insults at presidential candidates, journalists, news organizations, nations, a Neil Young song and even a lectern in the Oval Office. We know this because we’ve read, tagged and quoted them all. Below, a directory of sorts, with links to the original tweets. Insults within the last 60 days are highlighted. [Related article](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/29/upshot/introducing-the-upshots-encyclopedia-of-donald-trumps-twitter-insults.html) > [@](#): > > — representing our best effort to categorize more than 4,000 tweets Mr. Trump has made since he declared his candidacy in June 2015. > > Of those, we found that one in every eight was a personal insult of some kind. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3470 "2016-10-25T01:53:45Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > So the owner of the domain that Trump neglected to purchase has allegedly been threatened with legal action. Well if we can’t trust an anonymous person who scraped up the bucks to register a domain name then I don’t know whom we can. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3471 "2016-10-25T01:59:27Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Well if we can’t trust an anonymous person who scraped up the bucks to register a domain name then I don’t know whom we can. Huh, it’s almost like I should have said “allegedly” or something like that… My main point was that Trump didn’t get the domain, and absolutely could have. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3472 "2016-10-25T02:05:17Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Well, some of them may feel that corporations are making too much profit because of government interference (e.g. regulations for introducing new medicines, telcos being granted monopolies in certain cases, etc). This is most of it: They can’t claim that American free market enterprise is perfect, so they have a go-to explanation for literally every failure every free market enterprise experiences, which is “Regulatory Capture”, which is, as they understand it, government meddling in the free market. Don’t try to explain most of the failures in terms of the real-world definition of regulatory capture, because that isn’t what they mean when _they_ use the term. They use it to mean “Literally every time a market failure occurs, it’s the government’s fault” and it’s an article of faith. > [@](#): > > And others are probably just idiots who don’t understand what Libertarians stand for. They know it means Legal Weed. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3473 "2016-10-25T02:07:05Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > I have been tempted to try to donate a teensy amount to the Trump campaign just to see if they are on the ball and do the same thing, but I can’t bear to do anything that might start a flood of emails from the Trump campaign begging me for money. [That’s what Spam Gourmet is made for](https://www.spamgourmet.com/index.pl): Simple, one-off email addresses you can use for specific purposes and then forget about entirely. Prevents spam runs like that entirely, no matter who the Trump Campaign sells your email address to. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3474 "2016-10-25T02:13:33Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Which, obviously, highlights republican opposition to education in general and college loan subsidies in particular. > > [This page suggests](http://brandongaille.com/26-important-libertarian-demographics/) that that assertion may be problematic, as a large segment of the Hispanic/Latino demographic tends to reject those labels in the first place. > > More amusing, from that page, > > I am not clear how that can mesh. The basic libertarian ethos is _Hands Off, let the market police itself_. To do something to curb corporate profits would be very difficult while hewing to the mantra of _freedom_. Sure. If the caricature of libertarianism was the reality of libertarianism you’d be correct. But how many ideologies are actually 100% pure? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3475 "2016-10-25T02:14:58Z")
Perhaps one last opening for Trump. Not the best day for Democrats: > **[Soldiers Struggling to Repay Enlistment Bonuses Issued in Error (Published 2016)](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/25/us/national-guard-bonuses-california.html?_r=0)** > > Current and former members of the California National Guard have struggled to repay extra money they received unwittingly. Now Congress may help. > **[Some Health Plan Costs to Increase by an Average of 25 Percent, U.S. Says...](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/25/us/some-health-plan-costs-to-increase-by-an-average-of-25-percent-us-says.html)** > > Consumers in some states will also find significantly fewer insurance companies offering coverage under the Affordable Care Act. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3476 "2016-10-25T02:19:15Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Perhaps one last opening for Trump. Not the best day for Democrats: > > [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/25/us/national-guard-bonuses-california.html?\_r=0](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/25/us/national-guard-bonuses-california.html?_r=0) > > [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/25/us/some-health-plan-costs-to-increase-by-an-average-of-25-percent-us-says.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/25/us/some-health-plan-costs-to-increase-by-an-average-of-25-percent-us-says.html) No one who is voting for Clinton thinks Trump could solve problems like this. Those who just want\* something different\* are already in his camp. It would take something quite a bit more dramatic to shift the landscape now. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3477 "2016-10-25T02:20:30Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Eric Trump and the campaign[gets _trolled_ bigly.](https://www.yahoo.com/style/why-this-latina-contra-trump-shirt-represents-a-bigger-statement-about-trump-and-millennial-latinas-182621344.html) I can too easily picture Eric changing jackets while singing “Tomorrow Belongs to Me”. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3478 "2016-10-25T02:23:25Z")
> **[Exclusive investigation: Donald Trump faces foreign donor fundraising scandal](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/24/exclusive-investigation-donald-trump-faces-foreign-donor-fundrai/)** > > Donald Trump’s presidential campaign is facing a fundraising scandal after a Telegraph investigation exposed how key supporters were prepared to accept illicit donations from foreign backers. Jesse Benton apparently did Trump’s bidding for foreign contributions and access – on tape. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3479 "2016-10-25T02:25:42Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Perhaps one last opening for Trump. Not the best day for Democrats: > > [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/25/us/national-guard-bonuses-california.html?\_r=0](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/25/us/national-guard-bonuses-california.html?_r=0) From the link. > [@](#): > > The California National Guard asked Congress to pass a bill erasing the debts in 2014, he said, but **lawmakers balked at the cost.** On Monday, General Beevers said several lawmakers had called and pledged their support for such a bill. “I’m more optimistic now than I have been since this started four and a half years ago.” So much for GOP worship of the military. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3480 "2016-10-25T02:27:21Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > [Exclusive investigation: Donald Trump faces foreign donor fundraising scandal](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/24/exclusive-investigation-donald-trump-faces-foreign-donor-fundrai/) > > Jesse Benton apparently did Trump’s bidding for foreign contributions and access – on tape. That’s not what happened. Feel free to read my more accurate summary above. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3481 "2016-10-25T02:32:13Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > That’s not what happened. Feel free to read my more accurate summary above. 😉 Indeed I did – nice work.🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Victor\_Charlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7ea924/32.png) [@Victor\_Charlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Victor_Charlie)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3482 "2016-10-25T02:42:36Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Perhaps one last opening for Trump. Not the best day for Democrats: > > [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/25/us/national-guard-bonuses-california.html?\_r=0](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/25/us/national-guard-bonuses-california.html?_r=0) > > [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/25/us/some-health-plan-costs-to-increase-by-an-average-of-25-percent-us-says.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/25/us/some-health-plan-costs-to-increase-by-an-average-of-25-percent-us-says.html) No way the soldier bonus blows up on Hillary. First, she had nothing to do with it and there’s no way Congress will let it happen. They’ll pass a law forgiving the debt. The insurance premium increases are a) only on the exchanges, b) won’t hit most until after the election and c) largely matched by increased subsidies. This isn’t nearly the problem conservatives will make it out to be. Prices will still be roughly in line with original forecasts. The people who will care about this are already in Trump’s camp. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3483 "2016-10-25T02:49:17Z")
> [@Victor\_Charlie](#): > > No way the soldier bonus blows up on Hillary. First, she had nothing to do with it and \*\*there’s no way Congress will let it happen. They’ll pass a law forgiving the debt. \*\* > > The insurance premium increases are a) only on the exchanges, b) won’t hit most until after the election and c) largely matched by increased subsidies. This isn’t nearly the problem conservatives will make it out to be. Prices will still be roughly in line with original forecasts. The people who will care about this are already in Trump’s camp. They already decided it cost too much. > [@](#): > > The California National Guard asked Congress to pass a bill erasing the debts in 2014, he said, but **lawmakers balked at the cost.** On Monday, General Beevers said several lawmakers had called and pledged their support for such a bill. “I’m more optimistic now than I have been since this started four and a half years ago.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=173) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=175)