# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 176
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3504 "2016-10-25T07:15:44Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > It’s long been observed that Republicans care deeply about human life from conception until birth; after birth, it’s on its own. Medicaid? Child health insurance? Education? Fuggetaboutit! > > So it’s nice to know that there’s another side to Republicans, and they start caring again after death. > > The unborn and the dead don’t cost Republicans anything, and they aren’t a threat, so they can be worshipped with all the passion of righteousness. The ones in between, though, are so freaking annoying that Republicans have to build gated communites to get the hell away from them. Truly? You actually believe what you write? Where do you live that the people who vote (R) fit that caricature? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3505 "2016-10-25T07:16:57Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Truly? You actually believe what you write? Where do you live that the people who vote (R) fit that caricature? Congress. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3506 "2016-10-25T11:16:43Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Yeah, ObamaCare might get slammed one last time. Wonder why they didn’t postpone that info release until, say, December. Enrollment period starts Nov 1, I believe. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3507 "2016-10-25T11:17:43Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Truly? You actually believe what you write? Where do you live that the people who vote (R) fit that caricature? Knoxville, TN San Antonio, TX ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3508 "2016-10-25T11:56:06Z")
I though this was kind of funny. In response to Trump’s claims that the election is rigged, Mark Cuban taunted him: > [@Mark Cuban via Twitter](#): > > Hey Donald, you do realize that with $11b you should be able to rig the system? After all no one knows the system better than you. Right ? [http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/10/24/trump-says-election-rigged-mark-cubans-response-perfect/](http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/10/24/trump-says-election-rigged-mark-cubans-response-perfect/) ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3509 "2016-10-25T12:13:00Z")
I saw in the Times paper this morning that the spouse of one of the people responsible for the decision to not prosecute Clinton received a significant ($100K?) donation to her political campaign from the Clinton foundation, so that may blow up all over again. ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3510 "2016-10-25T12:23:22Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > I saw in the Times paper this morning that the spouse of one of the people responsible for the decision to not prosecute Clinton received a significant ($100K?) donation to her political campaign from the Clinton foundation, so that may blow up all over again. I’m pretty sure the Clinton Foundation hasn’t made any political contributions (that’s the Trump Foundation). Are you sure that’s what the story said? I’m trying to find out what you’re referring to and can’t. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3511 "2016-10-25T12:23:32Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > I saw in the Times paper this morning that the spouse of one of the people responsible for the decision to not prosecute Clinton received a significant ($100K?) donation to her political campaign from the Clinton foundation, so that may blow up all over again. I think the Clinton foundation making a political donation would be bad news in and of itself. I think you must be misremembering. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3512 "2016-10-25T12:23:45Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > I saw in the Times paper this morning that the spouse of one of the people responsible for the decision to not prosecute Clinton received a significant ($100K?) donation to her political campaign from the Clinton foundation, so that may blow up all over again. [This is what I saw](http://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton-ally-aids-campaign-of-fbi-officials-wife-1477266114) – it wasn’t the Clinton foundation (which would indeed be a big story), it was a PAC run by Terry McAuliffe, governor of Virginia and a friend and associate of the Clintons. There’s nothing that unusual about a donation by the Virginia governor to a same-party political candidate’s campaign in the state. It might look a little shady for McAuliffe, but I don’t see how it looks bad for Clinton except for people who are already inclined to interpret everything they see in the worst way regarding her. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3513 "2016-10-25T12:35:11Z")
For those on the alt-right, the very fact that someone donated to a Democratic candidate’s campaign is enough to be a scandal in itself. It’s like the revelation from WikiLeaks that the Clinton campaign actually thought of policies that might appeal to voters is a SCANDAL and cheating! ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3514 "2016-10-25T13:00:18Z")
[“Democratic operative” in Project Veritas video coordinated his activities with Breitbart](http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/breitbart-liberal-activist-230255#ixzz4O3KlZGxq) > [@](#): > > Aaron Black, an associate with Democracy Partners and a former Occupy Wall Street organizer, worked with the pro-Trump site Breitbart, tipping it off about his stunts, exchanging raw video and coordinating coverage, according to a source with direct knowledge of the situation. > > Black has resurfaced recently as one of the people featured in undercover video from the Project Veritas group. In the video, he claims to work for the Democratic National Committee. Though he does not appear on their payroll, his bio at Democracy Partners credits him with “working closely with the Democratic National Committee” during the 2012 election cycle. Black in the video says he helped organize protests in Chicago that led to Trump’s cancellation of a rally there in March. So, this implies Breitbart and Trump were coordinating activities before August. ---
**Author:** ![lazybratsche](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ba8739/32.png) [@lazybratsche](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lazybratsche)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3515 "2016-10-25T13:08:24Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > It’s like the revelation from WikiLeaks that the Clinton campaign actually thought of policies that might appeal to voters is a SCANDAL and cheating! Hah! That reminds me of old arguments with creationists on the internet. At one point an argument ended with a creationist protesting something like “That’s not fair! You guys change your mind every time there’s new evidence!” Yes. Yes we do. That’s called _science_. A politician that changes their position to match popular opinion? That’s the closest damn thing we have to \*democracy \*in this system. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3516 "2016-10-25T13:11:41Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > It’s like the revelation from WikiLeaks that the Clinton campaign actually thought of policies that might appeal to voters is a SCANDAL and cheating! The problem isn’t that she thought of policies that might appeal to voters so much as they are just positions and strategies, designed to be jettisoned for what she actually wants to do at the first convenient moment. Heck, even her allies are saying she’ll support TPP once elected. And that’s just one example. So many of her stances were just to get her past Bernie Sanders. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3517 "2016-10-25T13:19:38Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The problem isn’t that she thought of policies that might appeal to voters so much as they are just positions and strategies, designed to be jettisoned for what she actually wants to do at the first convenient moment. > . “That’s not fair! You guys change your mind every time there’s new evidence!” Yes. I know that’s confusing for you. tip o’ the hat to lazybratsche ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3518 "2016-10-25T13:22:10Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Truly? You actually believe what you write? Where do you live that the people who vote (R) fit that caricature? Suburban St. Louis, MO. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3519 "2016-10-25T13:23:50Z")
New evidence. Please, I know you’re smarter than that. Her positions will change when she senses that there won’t be much consequence to changing it. As in, right after she takes the oath of office. No one knows how this works better than the Clintons. They can do whatever they want and Democrats will accept it because they want to win and Republicans are worse. That gives Democratic voters pretty much zero bargaining power after they’ve cast their votes. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3520 "2016-10-25T13:28:22Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Yeah, ObamaCare might get slammed one last time. Wonder why they didn’t postpone that info release until, say, December. On the other hand, the most recent “Issues” numbers I saw (late Sept) had Clinton leading Trump 42-29 on “Who do you trust to handle health care?”. Even if people are unhappy with the ACA, they don’t seem to believe that Trump is equipped to fix/replace it. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3521 "2016-10-25T13:28:28Z")
Why Colorado is becoming bluer: [http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/25/politics/election-2016-colorado-battleground-swing-state-trend/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/25/politics/election-2016-colorado-battleground-swing-state-trend/index.html) > [@coremelt](#): > > …I just managed to snag “DonaldJTrump.sucks” and “realDonaldTrump.sucks” (his twitter handle). > > Now taking suggestions for what I should put on them ! > **[The Office of Hillary Rodham Clinton](https://www.hillaryclinton.com)** ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3522 "2016-10-25T13:30:15Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > On the other hand, the most recent “Issues” numbers I saw (late Sept) had Clinton leading Trump 42-29 on “Who do you trust to handle health care?”. Even if people are unhappy with the ACA, they don’t seem to believe that Trump is equipped to fix/replace it. The GOP in general has failed to offer better ideas, just the tired old ones that won’t cover many more people than pre-ACA law. If the GOP was bold, they’d offer single payer on the cheap: expand Medicaid to those making up to 250% of the poverty line, call it a day. The CBO would have to do the math, but it sounds to me like that covers about as many people as ACA, and is a lot cheaper than subsidies for exchange insurance. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3523 "2016-10-25T13:33:43Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > [This is what I saw](http://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton-ally-aids-campaign-of-fbi-officials-wife-1477266114) – it wasn’t the Clinton foundation (which would indeed be a big story), it was a PAC run by Terry McAuliffe, governor of Virginia and a friend and associate of the Clintons. There’s nothing that unusual about a donation by the Virginia governor to a same-party political candidate’s campaign in the state. It might look a little shady for McAuliffe, but I don’t see how it looks bad for Clinton except for people who are already inclined to interpret everything they see in the worst way regarding her. The hubbub is because the candidate McAuliffe’s PAC donated to was the wife of the guy who would go on to be Deputy Director of the FBI. But he wasn’t actually promoted until well after the election (his wife lost). So the WSJ’s headline and opening paragraphs are misleading – no doubt intentionally if only for the clickbait. Also, his donations to her weren’t excessive; he actually donated more to a couple other candidates so, again, the “Over half a million!” looks damning on its own and much less so in context. He just put a lot of money into trying to get those people elected. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=175) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=177)