# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 177
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3524 "2016-10-25T13:35:24Z")
How often do state candidates get $500,000? And do these people even care about appearances? ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3525 "2016-10-25T13:36:12Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > How often do state candidates get $500,000? And do these people even care about appearances? Well, at least three of them that cycle in VA. Deeper into the article: > [@](#): > > Among political candidates that year, Dr. McCabe was the third-largest recipient of funds from Common Good VA, the governor’s PAC, according to campaign finance records. Dan Gecker received $781,500 from the PAC and $214,456 from the state party for a campaign that raised $2.9 million, according to records; and Jeremy McPike received $803,500 from the PAC and $535,162 from the state party, raising more $3.8 million that year for his candidacy. Again, her husband was not yet promoted so I don’t know how they were supposed to know about “appearances” months before the fact. > [@](#): > > The FBI said in a statement that during his wife’s campaign Mr. McCabe “played no role, attended no events, and did not participate in fundraising or support of any kind. Months after the completion of her campaign, then-Associate Deputy Director McCabe was promoted to Deputy, where, in that position, he assumed for the first time, an oversight role in the investigation into Secretary Clinton’s emails.” ---
**Author:** ![Victor\_Charlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7ea924/32.png) [@Victor\_Charlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Victor_Charlie)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3526 "2016-10-25T14:01:09Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Truly? You actually believe what you write? Where do you live that the people who vote (R) fit that caricature? It may be an exaggeration, but when so many Republicans make Roe v Wade repeal their single biggest voting issue on the concept that human life is precious at ANY stage of development and then simultaneously demand cutting services to the women most likely to seek abortions because they can’t afford to properly care for those children, their concerns can tend to ring a bit hollow. “Bring them into the world no matter what, but they’re on their own when they get here” really isn’t that far off from the Republican platform. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3527 "2016-10-25T14:03:57Z")
There’s also no real contradiction. Republicans also don’t believe elderly people should be euthanized without their consent, but that does not imply a commitment to care for them. Republicans don’t want people shot in the streets by criminals, but that does not imply a commitment to provide free care for gunshot wounds. People have a right to not be murdered. Simple as that. No other promise or commitments need to be implied to justify that point of view. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3528 "2016-10-25T14:10:09Z")
[Apparently, Trump has been stretching the truth just a _wee_ bit about his endorsements.](http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-brags-of-endorsements-that-never-happened/ar-AAjmIRU?ocid=mailsignout) I’m shocked! ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3529 "2016-10-25T14:41:09Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > And this is probably not just his own idea; one would guess that the GOP leadership would REALLY like to get rid of Warren. > > That they think Schilling is their best tool for the job says a lot about the GOP brain trust. …that they recognize a tool when they see one? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3530 "2016-10-25T15:19:11Z")
Just what _kind_ of tool is open to debate. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3531 "2016-10-25T15:20:08Z")
> [@Victor\_Charlie](#): > > It may be an exaggeration, but when so many Republicans make Roe v Wade repeal their single biggest voting issue on the concept that human life is precious at ANY stage of development and then simultaneously demand cutting services to the women most likely to seek abortions because they can’t afford to properly care for those children, their concerns can tend to ring a bit hollow. “Bring them into the world no matter what, but they’re on their own when they get here” really isn’t that far off from the Republican platform. Never mind the children, a lot of the people who claim they believe life is so precious and let this dictate their voting behaviour are setting to vote for a guy who promises to torture criminals and have their families killed. It’s even harder to take the pro-life right seriously in that light. The theory that the right thinks government’s job is to give them their way explains the facts better; abortion makes them sad so it should be illegal, but torture and murder please them so they vote for the guy who says he’ll have people tortured and murdered. Sanctity and preciousness don’t enter into it. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3532 "2016-10-25T15:36:19Z")
Could be. A more charitable interpretation is what I call the “trap door” or “thin ice” theory. Fetuses are innocent and so should be protected because innocent = good. After that a kid’s life is as good as his/her parents can make it. If you drew sucky parents, well it sucks to be you. Overcome that disadvantage or die trying. As soon as you’re old enough to do anything independent (i.e. about age 12) you need to earn your right to be a citizen every day. IOW, we’re all always standing on a trap door or on thin ice. Be good or else. The instant you, any you, do something anti-social such as a crime, getting unweddedly pregnant, or perhaps acting on your gayness, you fall through and forfeit all rights to being a human or a citizen. You’re now scum suitable only to be caged. Better yet to be quickly and cheaply ground up for animal fodder or pressed for your flammable fuel oils. It’s a harsh creed. One better suited to the luckier folks in the world. There’s the old joke that “a conservative is a liberal who’s been mugged.” Here’s a countervailing observation about the world: “A liberal is a conservative who lost his livelihood, health insurance, or savings through no fault of his own.” IOW it’s easy to be a conservative as long as you can’t imagine bad stuff happening to you rather than to the other guy. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3533 "2016-10-25T15:56:05Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > “A liberal is a conservative who lost his livelihood, health insurance, or savings through no fault of his own.” Or, more briefly, “A Liberal is a Conservative who’s been unlucky.” ---
**Author:** ![Victor\_Charlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7ea924/32.png) [@Victor\_Charlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Victor_Charlie)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3534 "2016-10-25T15:56:47Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Never mind the children, a lot of the people who claim they believe life is so precious and let this dictate their voting behaviour are setting to vote for a guy who promises to torture criminals and have their families killed. It’s even harder to take the pro-life right seriously in that light. The theory that the right thinks government’s job is to give them their way explains the facts better; abortion makes them sad so it should be illegal, but torture and murder please them so they vote for the guy who says he’ll have people tortured and murdered. Sanctity and preciousness don’t enter into it. And there’s that. However they try to spin it, it takes a DUMP TRUCK full of hypocrisy for a Christian conservative to vote for Donald Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Victor\_Charlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7ea924/32.png) [@Victor\_Charlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Victor_Charlie)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3535 "2016-10-25T16:00:20Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > …that they recognize a tool when they see one? Kurt Schilling makes perfect sense for Trump’s America. You know what they say: “Monumental business failures of a feather flock together.” ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3536 "2016-10-25T16:09:13Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > Or, more briefly, “A Liberal is a Conservative who’s been unlucky.” I think it was Woody Allen who said a liberal is a conservative who hasn’t been mugged yet. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3537 "2016-10-25T16:24:22Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > How often do state candidates get $500,000? And do these people even care about appearances? The Republican candidate for governor in Missouri just got a $2 million contribution, and thanks to the state’s lack of campaign finance regulation, [no one can even figure out where it came from.](http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/greitens-big-donor-still-secret-in-missouri-governor-race/article_8eb1bd82-e8ec-539b-80f2-8c21c4772ba1.html) ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3538 "2016-10-25T16:57:18Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Suburban St. Louis, MO. > [@kunilou](#): > > The Republican candidate for governor in Missouri just got a $2 million contribution, and thanks to the state’s lack of campaign finance regulation, [no one can even figure out where it came from.](http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/greitens-big-donor-still-secret-in-missouri-governor-race/article_8eb1bd82-e8ec-539b-80f2-8c21c4772ba1.html) I _really_ should have moved out of Misery when I was young and contemplating such things. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3539 "2016-10-25T16:59:57Z")
> [@Victor\_Charlie](#): > > However they try to spin it, it takes a DUMP TRUCK full of hypocrisy for a Christian conservative to vote for Donald Trump. How often do you get to vote for all Seven Deadly Sins in one package? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3540 "2016-10-25T17:00:01Z")
> [@Victor\_Charlie](#): > > However they try to spin it, it takes a DUMP TRUCK full of hypocrisy for a Christian conservative to vote for Donald Trump. A Trump Duck? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3541 "2016-10-25T17:19:33Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > Or, more briefly, “A Liberal is a Conservative who’s been unlucky.” Some of us haven’t been unlucky, just blessed (or cursed) with empathy. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3542 "2016-10-25T17:24:52Z")
I was mugged (attempted, anyway) once. It was in Honduras – 3 youths attacked me with bottles and stones, but I fought them off and got back home and they ran off. A few days later my room was broken into and my laptop was stolen. It didn’t make me any less liberal. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3543 "2016-10-25T17:28:44Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Could be. A more charitable interpretation is what I call the “trap door” or “thin ice” theory. > > Fetuses are innocent and so should be protected because innocent = good. After that a kid’s life is as good as his/her parents can make it. If you drew sucky parents, well it sucks to be you. Overcome that disadvantage or die trying. > > As soon as you’re old enough to do anything independent (i.e. about age 12) you need to earn your right to be a citizen every day. IOW, we’re all always standing on a trap door or on thin ice. Be good or else. > > The instant you, any you, do something anti-social such as a crime, getting unweddedly pregnant, or perhaps acting on your gayness, you fall through and forfeit all rights to being a human or a citizen. You’re now scum suitable only to be caged. Better yet to be quickly and cheaply ground up for animal fodder or pressed for your flammable fuel oils. > > It’s a harsh creed. One better suited to the luckier folks in the world. > > There’s the old joke that “a conservative is a liberal who’s been mugged.” Here’s a countervailing observation about the world: “A liberal is a conservative who lost his livelihood, health insurance, or savings through no fault of his own.” IOW it’s easy to be a conservative as long as you can’t imagine bad stuff happening to you rather than to the other guy. If people caricatured dems in the same manner the triggering on this board would be cataclysmic. The over the top, and dishonest, characterization of a different political point of view is pretty offensive to those who vote a particular way. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=176) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=178)