# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 179
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3564 "2016-10-25T19:37:38Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > If people caricatured dems in the same manner the triggering on this board would be cataclysmic. The over the top, and dishonest, characterization of a different political point of view is pretty offensive to those who vote a particular way. > [@octopus](#): > > You prevented the forcible redistribution of wealth from the privileged to the downtrodden? That doesn’t sound too liberal to me. Look, I get that you’re joking, but there are plenty of posts by Certain Conservatives (open a thread in the Pit, I’ll name names) that engage in stupid broad-brush characterizations of the left, right here in Elections and Great Debates. It’s true that people who vote for Clinton are willing to put up with support for anti-democratic coups in Honduras in order to prevent Trump from getting into office. That’s not broad-brushing it. I’m willing to put up with that, for example. It’s also true that people who vote for Trump are willing to put up with sexual assault and xenophobia and racial and religious bigotry in order to prevent Clinton from getting into office. That’s also not broad-brushing it. Even principled conservatives who support Trump are saying that their issues of principle are more important than opposing things like xenophobia and racism. Yeah, that can be principled, but I’m inclined to think those principles suck :). ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3565 "2016-10-25T19:47:19Z")
The punch-drunk boxer staggers into the ring, blood dripping from his sniffling nose, one eye swollen shut, and swings his gloves at the air somewhere in the general neighborhood of where the referee was standing moments ago. ([_I want attention!_](http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/24/1586214/-Kellyanne-Conway-tells-hilarious-lie-about-Trump-wanting-another-debate?detail=email&link_id=1&can_id=0d37b803a1d391518f423634bc31261e&source=email-kellyanne-conway-tells-hilarious-lie-about-trump-wanting-another-debate-2&email_referrer=kellyanne-conway-tells-hilarious-lie-about-trump-wanting-another-debate-2&email_subject=kellyanne-conway-tells-hilarious-lie-about-trump-wanting-another-debate)) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3566 "2016-10-25T20:11:40Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > [Michelle Bachmann says Hillary wears pants suits because she dresses like Mao Zedong because she’s an economic Marxist.](http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/michele-bachmann-clinton-wears-mao-suits-because-shes-an-economic-marxist/) It’s true. Mao wore pants, and so does Hillary. The implications could not be more ominous. When you look at that pantsuit what you should be seeing is the forthcoming confiscation of all private property and feudal landholdings, just the way Chairman Mao did it while (presumably) wearing pants the whole time. Elections were a lot more fun when Bachmann and Palin were both running for prez! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Victor\_Charlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7ea924/32.png) [@Victor\_Charlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Victor_Charlie)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3567 "2016-10-25T20:17:02Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > I just managed to snag “DonaldJTrump.sucks” and “realDonaldTrump.sucks” (his twitter handle). > > Now taking suggestions for what I should put on them ! [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/DpOZVN4_Ihc/hqdefault.jpg "This is Donald Trump's favorite thing he has in common with his daughter") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpOZVN4_Ihc) ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3568 "2016-10-25T20:57:44Z")
Jacob Soboroff visited voters in rural Pennsylvania and asked them how they were going to vote. He came across a Trump supporter with Trump yard signs who is not going to bother to vote because the election is rigged. [Video](http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/pennsylvania-town-weighs-2016-choices-793002563543) ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3569 "2016-10-25T21:10:32Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Jacob Soboroff visited voters in rural Pennsylvania and asked them how they were going to vote. He came across a Trump supporter with Trump yard signs who is not going to bother to vote because the election is rigged. > > [Video](http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/pennsylvania-town-weighs-2016-choices-793002563543) Wouldn’t that be ironic, if the effect of Trump’s ranting about “rigged” elections just has the effect of suppressing his own voters? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3570 "2016-10-25T21:24:59Z")
Thing is, we’ll never know. How many votes did Trump not get because his people stayed home, because its rigged? Probably not many, I would guess. How many would go to vote for Trump, but ignore the downticket choices to protest “Republican elite” betrayal? Again, we’ll never know. Conversely, how many mostly sensible Republicans will vote downticket, but boycott Trump? Same thing. And who, outside of my nitwit cousin, who hath not the good sense that God gave a goose…will not vote for Hillary because Bernie, even after Bernie damned near begs them to! There will be opinions, but facts will be sparse. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3571 "2016-10-25T21:25:05Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Wouldn’t that be ironic, if the effect of Trump’s ranting about “rigged” elections just has the effect of suppressing his own voters? They’re not going to vote because it’s pointless, but boy, they’re going to put up a lot of yard signs! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3572 "2016-10-25T21:32:23Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > It’s true. Mao wore pants, and so does Hillary. The implications could not be more ominous. When you look at that pantsuit what you should be seeing is the forthcoming confiscation of all private property and feudal landholdings, just the way Chairman Mao did it while (presumably) wearing pants the whole time. > > Elections were a lot more fun when Bachmann and Palin were both running for prez! 😃 If you think about it, damn near every bit of serious evil in the last 1000+ years has been perpetrated while wearing pants. You need to get back to Roman times before serious evil wore a sorta-dress (toga). 🙂 Pants: Just don’t trust 'em. Reminds me of one of my favorite sayings from the 1960s, though sadly I was too young to participate: “Up with miniskirts! Down with hotpants!” ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3573 "2016-10-25T21:37:25Z")
[Trump halts big-money fundraising, cutting off cash to the party](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/25/trump-halts-big-money-fundraising-cutting-off-cash-to-the-party/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_fundraising-515pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory). I guess GOTV for down ticket campaigns isn’t worth it. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3574 "2016-10-25T21:44:42Z")
> [@quimper](#): > > schizoid much? they have meds for that. > > :smack:😕:dubious: Knock it off. If you need to attack another poster, go open a thread in The BBQ Pit. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3575 "2016-10-25T21:47:04Z")
Wow! **quimper** scored a double! ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3576 "2016-10-25T21:48:56Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Wouldn’t that be ironic, if the effect of Trump’s ranting about “rigged” elections just has the effect of suppressing his own voters? That would be an interesting unintended consequence. And it would make the rigging claims more valid to those people. They already think Trump has more support than polls would indicate. If his final tally came up far less than what the polls are saying, it would be undeniable proof of massive rigging. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3577 "2016-10-25T21:53:24Z")
If he does better than that, all it will prove is that The People love him so much, they overwhelmed the “rigging”. The ugly irony there is a lot of brown Americans have to overcome voter suppression efforts, for reals. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3578 "2016-10-25T22:49:41Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Thing is, we’ll never know. How many votes did Trump not get because his people stayed home, because its rigged? Probably not many, I would guess. How many would go to vote for Trump, but ignore the downticket choices to protest “Republican elite” betrayal? Again, we’ll never know. Conversely, how many mostly sensible Republicans will vote downticket, but boycott Trump? Same thing. > > And who, outside of my nitwit cousin, who hath not the good sense that God gave a goose…will not vote for Hillary because Bernie, even after Bernie damned near begs them to! > > There will be opinions, but facts will be sparse. Trump is doing the old lawyer trick called “mitigating his losses.” He wouldn’t be making these “rigged election” statements if he didn’t think he might lose. It’s not strategy to get people out to vote; it’s self-preservation. He knows full well he’s nowhere near qualified for the job, but he’s been bullshitting his was successfully so far. So to prevent becoming a big loser, he shouts himself in the foot and then blames the gun. One thing you will never hear Trump say is “I lost. I didn’t win.” Anything but that. Listen to him very closely when he makes his concession speech, if he even grows a pair to be able to do that. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3579 "2016-10-25T22:51:56Z")
[http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161025/e2439f47d0c9b37822450e2d14bcde93.jpg](http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161025/e2439f47d0c9b37822450e2d14bcde93.jpg) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3580 "2016-10-25T22:58:04Z")
What’s sad is that the pumpkin-Trump’s hair looks more natural. ---
**Author:** ![Junior\_Spaceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Junior\_Spaceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Junior_Spaceman)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3581 "2016-10-25T22:59:42Z")
This is a very interesting article on [how Trump won over the White Nationalists](http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/donald-trump-2016-white-nationalists-alt-right-214388) > [@](#): > > In December, [David] Duke co-hosted an audio program with Kevin MacDonald about the question “Is Donald Trump the Great White Hope?” MacDonald was enthusiastic. But while Duke admired that Trump was “encapsulating the desires and the values of European Americans who have been silenced for too long,” he still insisted Trump was not doing enough to revitalize white nationalism. Duke, in a rather Trumpian manner, took credit for that himself. “I don’t know if he’s the savior of our people, and I don’t know if we can even trust him to do what he says,” Duke ruminated, before adding, “At least he’s saying it.” > > In February, the hammer finally fell. On his online radio program, recorded the day of Trump’s victory in the Nevada caucuses, Duke credited Trump with energizing white nationalists, and effectively endorsed him, imploring voters in that state to turn out. “You have an absolute obligation to vote for Donald Trump, and to vote against Cruz and Rubio,” Duke said. “If you vote for Ted Cruz, you are acting in a traitorous way to our people. You are betraying our people. Period.” He cautioned that he didn’t agree with everything Trump said, but argued, “Trump is the only chance we really have right now to make a dent, plus Trump is waking up our people and energizing our people across America.” > > After Duke’s endorsement, most other white nationalist leaders fell in line. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3582 "2016-10-25T23:16:42Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Colin Powell just announced he is voting for Hillary Clinton, according to local reporter covering his remarks to the Long Island Association. > > [x.com](https://twitter.com/BrodskyRobert/status/790975972413739008) Is that supposed to be a shocker? He voted for Obama, against McCain and Romney. > [@wolfpup](#): > > It’s true. Mao wore pants, and so does Hillary. The implications could not be more ominous. When you look at that pantsuit what you should be seeing is the forthcoming confiscation of all private property and feudal landholdings, just the way Chairman Mao did it while (presumably) wearing pants the whole time. > > Elections were a lot more fun when Bachmann and Palin were both running for prez! 😃 You know who else wore pants? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2016, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3583 "2016-10-25T23:26:29Z")
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