# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 188
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3744 "2016-10-27T05:36:17Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > **EVERYONE!** , take your current run of snark over to The BBQ Pit. > > [/Moderating] Oh, come on. This thread has “… **Trump** …” in the subject line – at this point, that should automatically qualify it for extra latitude, as far as tempers and sniping. ---
**Author:** ![ganthet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de0a6/32.png) [@ganthet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ganthet)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3745 "2016-10-27T06:26:56Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > I don’t think “life is precious” is found in the Constitution. Man, this stretch thread is pretty stretchy. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3746 "2016-10-27T06:58:34Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > I don’t think “life is precious” is found in the Constitution. There is “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” in the Declaration of Independence, but it isn’t clear what strictly formal legal role that document plays in our nation’s legal structure. Not clear to me anyway, I’m sure some people on here understand it perfectly heh > > Anyway, even if you interpret instances of “all men” in the founding documents to be equivalent to “all people”, well, fetuses still aren’t people. You can argue that that is a legal quibble, or that it should be changed, but it is the current state of affairs, and so you are wrong that a fetus’ right to life is violated. It doesn’t have that right. Neither do cows, nor corn, nor iron or coal. Who said anything about the Constitution? We’re talking about how conservatives who are pro-life but then skimp on maternal care are being hypocritical. Or so I thought. Did I get my wires crossed? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3747 "2016-10-27T13:03:05Z")
Here’s CNN Politics’s latest Electoral College polling summary: [http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/27/politics/road-to-270-electoral-college-map-october-26/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/27/politics/road-to-270-electoral-college-map-october-26/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3748 "2016-10-27T13:41:50Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Billy Joel’s really got to record that. Og, I love the smell of Sarcasm in the morning…! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3749 "2016-10-27T13:42:19Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > > I think that Trumps surrogates would just claim that he’s right because purple monkey dishwasher. … > > I’ve been laughing myself sick for the last five minutes and can’t explain to my wife why. Me too. It’s even better when you notice the username who created that gem. It’s so both. I for one will use this again. With attribution of course. If we’re lucky it’ll become the Elections forum’s “penis ensues” for awhile. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3750 "2016-10-27T13:44:10Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Who said anything about the Constitution? We’re talking about how conservatives who are pro-life but then skimp on maternal care are being hypocritical. Or so I thought. Did I get my wires crossed? It’s simple. They’re not pro-_life_, they’re pro-_birth_. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3751 "2016-10-27T14:13:45Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Who said anything about the Constitution? We’re talking about how conservatives who are pro-life but then skimp on maternal care are being hypocritical. Or so I thought. Did I get my wires crossed? I am going further and pointing out that they are also just wrong. Our system is specifically designed not to include people’s religious ideas in policy. We could go further- religious conservatives appear pretty dumb with their climate change denial. Sorry you guys can’t do science, but you are going to get us all killed if you get your way. You appear to have been blinded by the fossil-fuel industry sponsorship of your political leaders. But hey, stopping abortions is the Top Priority, right? So important it is worth voting for Trump and taking on all the risks that entails? Great. Why don’t you tell us all again how hurricanes are proof of God’s disapproval of gays? Let’s hear some more about how the Earth is 6000 years old, and why I’m going to Hell because the historical person Adam ate an apple. Educated people are just flocking to hear more of that message. When you’re done with that and ready to focus on your Top Priority policy goal, along the way why don’t you ally with the racists, the white nationalists, and the bonkers conspiracy-theory believers. That’s quite a coalition, guys, one that appears to have set the controls for the center of the Earth. Meanwhile, we adults are going to set policy in a responsible manner. We aren’t going to be granting personhood to fetuses and turning this country into fucking San Salvador. Nope, the Religious Right is losing influence, as they should, there is going to be legal abortion for another generation at least, and they can keep on nagging us about how this policy violates imaginary legal rights. Nyah 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3752 "2016-10-27T14:18:05Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > It’s simple. They’re not pro-_life_, they’re pro-_birth_. I’ve always preferred _anti-choice_, myself. You got pregnant? Gotta carry to term, you got no choice. You’re poor? Gotta raise a kid in poverty, you got no choice. You’re sick? Gotta go to the ER and hope they can help, you got no choice. Etc. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3753 "2016-10-27T14:21:32Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Me too. It’s even better when you notice the username who created that gem. It’s so both. > > I for one will use this again. With attribution of course. If we’re lucky it’ll become the Elections forum’s “penis ensues” for awhile. Agreed. The “two trochees and a dactyl” metrical scheme helps make it memorable. (“I am not an animal,” e.g.) ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3754 "2016-10-27T14:21:41Z")
@ **Derleth** : In that strain of R thinking you’re entitled to exactly as much choice as you can pay for. Which is why \*one dollar one vote \*doesn’t really bother many of them. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3755 "2016-10-27T14:38:33Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > @ **Derleth** : > In that strain of R thinking you’re entitled to exactly as much choice as you can pay for. Which is why \*one dollar one vote \*doesn’t really bother many of them. Right, of course; that even extends to having the choice to go to a more favorable country to get an abortion, if you’re denying them to the poor people back home, as long as you can pay for it. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3756 "2016-10-27T14:52:15Z")
They aren’t really pro anything. They’re anti everything! Well, no, that’s not really fair! They’re actually anti everything that doesn’t see Christianity as the de facto religion of state. But come on, if you’re all about saving fetuses from abortion but not refugee children from misery, maybe it’s time to stop claiming your concerns are Christian motivated! They want ‘Christian values’, reflected in the countries laws. But don’t want any tax dollars to go to help the poor? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3757 "2016-10-27T15:07:15Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > It’s simple. They’re not pro-_life_, they’re pro-_birth_. Eve brought us original sin, therefore, women are evil. They seem to suffer a lot when they give birth. They deserve to suffer for being evil and leading men into sin. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3758 "2016-10-27T15:12:15Z")
Personally, I don’t need much leading for temptation, I can find it quite easily on my own. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3759 "2016-10-27T15:27:44Z")
Interesting Bloomberg article on how a guy in San Antonio became the chief technical/data guy for the Trump campaign, and how Trump now owns a dedicated system to access his followers, derived on data from the RNC but under his own control, which he can continue to use after the election. Closing paragraph of the article: > [@](#): > > If the election results cause the party to fracture, Trump will be better positioned than the RNC to reach this mass of voters because he’ll own the list himself—and Priebus, after all he’s endured, will become just the latest to invest with Trump and wind up poorer for the experience. [Inside the Trump Bunker, With 12 Days to Go](http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-27/inside-the-trump-bunker-with-12-days-to-go) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3760 "2016-10-27T15:39:15Z")
Trump has the RNC right by the short and curlies. He has already feinted in the direction of my favorite political dream, that he might declare the RNC a bunch of backstabbing traitors, and instruct his onions to vote for _him_, but nobody else downticket. Which would be the recipe for the Great 2016 Republican Massacre! All those carefully manicured and gerrymandered House districts at risk! Now, Universe, I know I haven’t been a very good pantheist. but if you could just give me this _one_ sign… ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3761 "2016-10-27T15:50:21Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > The poor RNC has a problem - are the people the party - or is the party somehow different from the people who voted for Trump in the primaries and find voter intimidation an appropriate approach? > > And yes, I know that establishment Republicans get at least some, if not all, of the blame for dog whistling and Southern strategizing for the past 40 years, and there is an element of chickens coming home to roost. > > Having responsible adults retain disproportionate power in a party (e.g. Superdelegates) seems like a good idea right now The whole argument for representative government vs direct democracy right there. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3762 "2016-10-27T15:53:14Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Trump … instruct his \*\*onions \*\*to vote for _him_, but nobody else downticket. … Bolding mine. That’s either an inspired Freudian slip or the best typo of the election season. Or else it’s a stale social media meme I’ve somehow missed. Whichever it is, congrats. I got a good laugh out of it. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3763 "2016-10-27T15:57:56Z")
I really don’t understand how people can still believe he’s a good businessman. Someone posted on my feed this morning "do your own research - our country needs a great business leader at our helm " or some such nonsense. someone else posted how Hillary was Hitler. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=187) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=189)