# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3784 "2016-10-27T18:50:24Z")

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“I despise you, you caldron of turd soup, and here is your invitation to my wedding.”

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3785 "2016-10-27T18:51:38Z")

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Saying you’re voting for someone but not endorsing him is the political-coward equivalent of “Don’t try this at home.”

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**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3786 "2016-10-27T19:50:02Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Oh, man. That would be _sweeeeeeet_.  
> Now aren’t you glad he clarified that for us all?

Begrudingly voting for Trump, and making it clear that it is begrudingly, is unlikely to hurt him in his district.

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**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3787 "2016-10-27T19:56:19Z")

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> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> Begrudingly voting for Trump, and making it clear that it is begrudingly, is unlikely to hurt him in his district.

I’m sure his daughter enjoys being thrown under the bus. At least she can take comfort that he’s voting to keep a sexual predator out of The White House.

Wait a minute…

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**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3788 "2016-10-27T20:05:31Z")

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> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> Begrudingly voting for Trump, and making it clear that it is begrudingly, is unlikely to hurt him in his district.

His district is Mormon, isn’t it? And don’t they hate Trump?

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**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3789 "2016-10-27T20:11:31Z")

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The Yale Record declines to endorse Clinton - in the [best way possible](http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/27/1587454/-This-is-AWESOME-the-editorial-board-at-the-Yale-Record-did-NOT-endorse-Hillary-Clinton).

_Because of unambiguous tax law, we do not encourage you to support the most qualified presidential candidate in modern American history, nor do we encourage all citizens to shatter the glass ceiling once and for all by electing Secretary Clinton on November 8._

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3790 "2016-10-27T20:14:05Z")

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> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> Begrudingly voting for Trump, and making it clear that it is begrudingly, is unlikely to hurt him in his district.

What if he did both begrudgingly?

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**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3791 "2016-10-27T20:54:49Z")

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> [@Robot\_Arm](#):
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> Is there a difference between endorsing someone and publicly announcing that you’re going to vote for him?

Good question. I’m groping for a good answer, but can’t come up with one.

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**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3792 "2016-10-27T21:02:51Z")

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Here’s the thing … is someone holding a gun to his head in his den forcing him to tweet out who he’s going to vote fore. Dude, just shut up about it. Remember the old saying, “Why open your mouth and be thought a fool when you can shut the fuck up and lead a horse to water?” Or something like that.

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**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3793 "2016-10-27T21:03:49Z")

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Dems have filed papers with the court charging failure to comply with consent order. Show websites issuing ID badges.

True or not, Trumps rally boast about having cops involved to watch, could cost them dearly. The RNC must be livid! It was due to expire in 2017. After 35 yrs. And now it could be extended!

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**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3794 "2016-10-27T21:08:07Z")

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> [@Jack\_Batty](#):
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> Here’s the thing … is someone holding a gun to his head in his den forcing him to tweet out who he’s going to vote fore. Dude, just shut up about it. Remember the old saying, “Why open your mouth and be thought a fool when you can shut the fuck up and lead a horse to water?” Or something like that.

He’s making a public statement because he thinks it can help him somehow. It might just be the GOP telling him he needs to toe the line and publicly humble himself, or he might get a primary challenge next go around.

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**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3795 "2016-10-27T21:09:40Z")

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> [@Robot\_Arm](#):
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> Is there a difference between endorsing someone and publicly announcing that you’re going to vote for him?

Endorsing = “you should vote for him”. So this guy is saying that he’s voting for him, but doesn’t recommend that anyone else do so. “Do as I say, not as I do”? Except he didn’t say…“do whatever you want, not as I do”?

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**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3796 "2016-10-27T21:15:17Z")

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> [@LSLGuy](#):
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> So the Cubs are the Harbinger of Trump now are they? Seems fitting that a common goat is what’ll stop them both. 🙂

[Trump] Wrong! [/Trump]

The Cubs are the Harbinger of the End of this version GOP… and possibly of the Poncey Golf Club Elite…

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**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3797 "2016-10-27T21:24:09Z")

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> [@Northern\_Piper](#):
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> Interesting Bloomberg article on how a guy in San Antonio became the chief technical/data guy for the Trump campaign

That was pretty interesting. Not that it surprises me, nor do I think this is limited to Trump’s campaign, but I thought this bit was pretty blatant in its cynicism:

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> “We have three major voter suppression operations under way,” says a senior official. They’re aimed at three groups Clinton needs to win overwhelmingly: idealistic white liberals, young women, and African Americans…
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> …In San Antonio, a young staffer showed off a South Park-style animation he’d created of Clinton delivering the “super predator” line (using audio from her original 1996 sound bite), as cartoon text popped up around her: “Hillary Thinks African Americans are Super Predators.” The animation will be delivered to certain African American voters through Facebook “dark posts”—nonpublic posts whose viewership the campaign controls so that, as Parscale puts it, “only the people we want to see it, see it.”

Super-targeted advertising that’s never even encountered outside the intended demographic. Ugh. Social media echo chambers are bad enough on their own, but the fact that they can be exploited so easily makes them so much worse.

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**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3798 "2016-10-27T21:25:05Z")

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> [@silenus](#):
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> The Yale Record declines to endorse Clinton - in the [best way possible](http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/27/1587454/-This-is-AWESOME-the-editorial-board-at-the-Yale-Record-did-NOT-endorse-Hillary-Clinton).
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> _Because of unambiguous tax law, we do not encourage you to support the most qualified presidential candidate in modern American history, nor do we encourage all citizens to shatter the glass ceiling once and for all by electing Secretary Clinton on November 8._

If challenged by the IRS it’s clearly an endorsement.

[https://www.irs.gov/uac/election-year-activities-and-the-prohibition-on-political-campaign-intervention-for-section-501-c-3-organizations](https://www.irs.gov/uac/election-year-activities-and-the-prohibition-on-political-campaign-intervention-for-section-501-c-3-organizations)

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**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3799 "2016-10-27T21:37:54Z")

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[Some Donald Trump Voters Warn of Revolution if Hillary Clinton Wins](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/us/politics/donald-trump-voters.html?_r=0).

“I hope to God I never have to fire a round, but I won’t hesitate to. As a Christian, I want reformation. But sometimes reformation comes through bloodshed.”

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**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3800 "2016-10-27T21:50:02Z")

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> [@kenobi\_65](#):
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> “I will not defend or endorse @realDonaldTrump, but I am voting for him. HRC is that bad. HRC is bad for the USA.”
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> So, you have principles, Congressman, except when you don’t.

How is ‘‘I’m voting for him’’ not an endorsement? 😕

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**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3801 "2016-10-27T22:02:25Z")

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> [@octopus](#):
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> If challenged by the IRS it’s clearly an endorsement.
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> [https://www.irs.gov/uac/election-year-activities-and-the-prohibition-on-political-campaign-intervention-for-section-501-c-3-organizations](https://www.irs.gov/uac/election-year-activities-and-the-prohibition-on-political-campaign-intervention-for-section-501-c-3-organizations)

Probably. But they’ll say it was a joke (it is a humour magazine) and maybe get a slap on the wrist.

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**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3802 "2016-10-27T22:09:53Z")

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> [@silenus](#):
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> The Yale Record declines to endorse Clinton - in the [best way possible](http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/27/1587454/-This-is-AWESOME-the-editorial-board-at-the-Yale-Record-did-NOT-endorse-Hillary-Clinton).
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> _Because of unambiguous tax law, we do not encourage you to support the most qualified presidential candidate in modern American history, nor do we encourage all citizens to shatter the glass ceiling once and for all by electing Secretary Clinton on November 8._

Yeah, that’s pretty funny, but you’d think Yale students would have a better grasp on the meaning of the word “indirectly”. Then again, if the FEC were to go after all the charitable organizations and churches that bend the rules in this way, the Yale Record would be at the back of an enormously long line.

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**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\
**Post date:** [October 27, 2016, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3803 "2016-10-27T22:18:54Z")

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> [@kenobi\_65](#):
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> Republican Utah Rep. [Jason Chaffetz](http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/26/politics/jason-chaffetz-utah-donald-trump-hillary-clinton/), earlier this month, on the heels of the Access Hollywood video:
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> Chaffetz, in a tweet last night:
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> “I will not defend or endorse @realDonaldTrump, but I am voting for him. HRC is that bad. HRC is bad for the USA.”
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> So, you have principles, Congressman, except when you don’t.

I hope that McMuffin guy decides to take that asshat on down the road.

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