# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 198
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3945 "2016-10-28T20:42:11Z")
So could this be a case of a disgruntled ex-husband trying to fuck over his ex-wife? As in: “yeah bitch. Guess what I still have on my phone. And guess who I’m going to show it to!” ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3946 "2016-10-28T20:45:04Z")
Uh, no. Weiner is being investigated for sexting underage girls across state lines. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3947 "2016-10-28T20:49:08Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > Uh, no. Weiner is being investigated for sexting underage girls across state lines. I get that. But if Weiner feels like he is going down in flames, it wouldn’t surprise me if he tried to take down his wife (And Clinton by proxy) with him. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3948 "2016-10-28T20:52:18Z")
The New Your Times is reporting thousands of emails, not 3. [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/us/politics/fbi-hillary-clinton-email.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/us/politics/fbi-hillary-clinton-email.html) > [@](#): > > WASHINGTON — Emails from Hillary Clinton’s private server were found after the F.B.I. seized electronic devices once shared by Anthony D. Weiner and his estranged wife, Huma Abedin, a top aide to Mrs. Clinton, federal law enforcement officials said Friday. > > The F.B.I. is investigating illicit text messages that Mr. Weiner, a former Democratic congressman from New York, sent to a 15-year-old girl in North Carolina. The bureau told Congress on Friday that it had uncovered new emails related to the Clinton case — one federal official said they numbered in the thousands… ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3949 "2016-10-28T21:01:40Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > That’s what’s being alleged by some former DOJ people on Twitter. I haven’t seen any solid reporting on it yet. Newsweek [coverage](http://www.newsweek.com/fbi-reviewing-more-clinton-emails-514825) is saying the same thing. A source better than “guy on tiwtter” isn’t named. They at least aren’t following the “sources on social media” claim style of reporting. > [@](#): > > … Comey didn’t have a choice. Because the new information followed his sworn testimony about the case, Comey was obligated by Department of Justice rules to keep the relevant committees apprised. > > Under oath Comey had stated that the bureau had completed its review. Once he learned that there were new emails that required examination, Comey had to notify Congress that he had to amend his testimony because it was no longer true. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3950 "2016-10-28T21:04:25Z")
> [@cuauhtemoc](#): > > It occurs to me that if the Clinton people were the least bit worried about what might be in these emails, they wouldn’t be screaming for Comey to show us what he’s got. I think they know it’s nothing, and they want to get this new “scandal” over with. The criptic “may” and the ‘who knows’ position tells me that the emals are emails would be just like most democrats would had gotten from Hillary, very mundane but related stuff to politics to be sent to rank and file democrats, I really do not see why Clinton would send anything special or confidential to what was still then a very controversial Democrat, when the wife was the one that was supposed to be geting the more crucial information. ---
**Author:** ![skdo23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@skdo23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skdo23)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3951 "2016-10-28T21:25:02Z")
I’m guessing that if there is, indeed, a videotape of Trump using the n-word it will be released sometime in the very near future. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3952 "2016-10-28T21:33:04Z")
> [@skdo23](#): > > I’m guessing that if there is, indeed, a videotape of Trump using the n-word it will be released sometime in the very near future. I’m guessing that would have already been released. That’s the thing, for those saying the timing is suspicious… is it really, though? I’m new to poll watching, but the undecideds have already decided at this point. It’s quite rare that something happens this close to an election that sways the vote, isn’t it? It seems for the timing to be ‘suspicious’ it would have been released two weeks ago. I don’t think Comey deserves the heat on this one. Sounds like he was just doing his job. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3953 "2016-10-28T21:34:33Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > I get that. But if Weiner feels like he is going down in flames, it wouldn’t surprise me if he tried to take down his wife (And Clinton by proxy) with him. I’m trying to grasp the connection between the Weiner investigation and the Clinton emails… could it be: the FBI is poring over a raft of Weiner emails, and somebody notices that there’s a bunch that have the same IP address as the famous Private Server. Probably from Weiner’s ex-wife, using Hillary’s email. Ding ding, alarms go off, it goes up the chain to Comey and he says “oh crap, we gotta go public with this.” It could turn to be just a bunch of mundane stuff between Weiner and whatshername, not even involving Hillary, much less classified info. Fingers crossed. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3954 "2016-10-28T21:35:28Z")
> [@skdo23](#): > > I’m guessing that if there is, indeed, a videotape of Trump using the n-word it will be released sometime in the very near future. Is someone claiming this? This is the first time I’ve heard of it. ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3955 "2016-10-28T21:43:00Z")
[Epic Rap Battles of History: Clinton vs Trump](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbryz0mxuMY) ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3956 "2016-10-28T21:44:26Z")
Sam Wang over at Princeton Election Consortium had a very interesting article a couple of weeks ago challenging the common perception that the [Access Hollywood tapes were really damaging to Trump](http://election.princeton.edu/2016/10/17/the-polarization-hypothesis-passes-the-access-hollywood-test/). He was of the opinion that the movement in the polls was due instead to Trump’s bad performance in the first debate. He thinks that the political environment is so polarized and tribal at the moment that literally nothing will change voters’ minds. This current e-mail thing looks like it might not really amount to much, but if it gets sufficiently hyped then it could be an interesting further test of the hypothesis. I have to admit that I’m in that camp as well. Regardless of what comes out of the e-mail investigation, it seems to me a political sin within normal parameters of misconduct. If there was something in there sufficiently egregious (like Clinton talking about her participation in murders or something) then I could be persuaded not to vote for her like I’m intending to do at the moment, but it would be a question of leaving the ballot blank at that point - there is literally nothing Clinton could do or have done that would make me vote for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3957 "2016-10-28T21:48:39Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > By the way, bad-hair-guy’s supporters are [not at all deplorable. Not a one of them](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/27/1587688/-A-Patriotic-Trumpster-Leaves-Abhorrent-Note-on-Woman-s-Windshield?detail=email&link_id=1&can_id=0d37b803a1d391518f423634bc31261e&source=email-patriotic-trumpster-leaves-abhorrent-note-on-womans-windshield-2&email_referrer=patriotic-trumpster-leaves-abhorrent-note-on-womans-windshield-2&email_subject=patriotic-trumpster-leaves-abhorrent-note-on-womans-windshield). Not so much deplorable as abhorrent. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3958 "2016-10-28T21:50:42Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > The New Your Times is reporting thousands of emails, not 3. > > [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/us/politics/fbi-hillary-clinton-email.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/29/us/politics/fbi-hillary-clinton-email.html) Wait a minute. I thought the “liberal news media” was conspiring against Trump. Hard to say WHICH way the system is rigged now. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3959 "2016-10-28T21:52:53Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > This is apparently connected to the Wiener investigation which only started about a month or so ago. What timing would not seem suspicious to you? Oh, I don’t know. Perhaps the 11 days before the election part. They postponed the Trump’s rape of a 13 year old girl case until December, which was supposed to take place in October. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![skdo23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@skdo23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skdo23)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3960 "2016-10-28T21:53:36Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I don’t think Comey deserves the heat on this one. Sounds like he was just doing his job. I agree. As an attorney, albeit w/ almost no background on this particular topic, the explanations being put forward on the SDMD and in the media make perfect sense to me. What I meant is that for someone who is in a position to release the alleged videotape(s) containing unbroadcasted footage of Trump using the n-word, for strategical purposes it would make sense to do it now. Throughout this campaign, the polls have basically shifted against the candidate receiving more coverage, and in favor of the one laying low. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3961 "2016-10-28T21:59:03Z")
> [@skdo23](#): > > I agree. As an attorney, albeit w/ almost no background on this particular topic, the explanations being put forward on the SDMD and in the media make perfect sense to me. What I meant is that for someone who is in a position to release the alleged videotape(s) containing unbroadcasted footage of Trump using the n-word, for strategical purposes it would make sense to do it now. Throughout this campaign, the polls have basically shifted against the candidate receiving more coverage, and in favor of the one laying low. Right, but what I meant is that for strategical purposes it might _not_ make sense to do it now, because statistically, it is probably too late in the election cycle to make much difference. The same is probably also true for the e-mails, whatever might be in them. Nobody is changing their vote to Trump because of those e-mails. **Ambrosio** ’s linked article, and the argument behind it, is pretty interesting. Worth checking out. ---
**Author:** ![skdo23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@skdo23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skdo23)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3962 "2016-10-28T21:59:49Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Is someone claiming this? This is the first time I’ve heard of it. [Here’s one example.](http://fortune.com/2016/10/09/theres-allegedly-apprentice-footage-of-donald-trump-saying-the-n-word/) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3963 "2016-10-28T21:59:54Z")
Huma Abedin, according to the wiki-thingy, was deputy chief of staff at state, under a special provision that allowed her to work from home (to be with her child) and also to act as a consultant for some private businesses, including CIAoca-Cola and MF Global. e-mail on her computer could, in theory, reveal important insight into State. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2016, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/3964 "2016-10-28T22:01:32Z")
> [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](#): > > Sam Wang over at Princeton Election Consortium had a very interesting article a couple of weeks ago challenging the common perception that the [Access Hollywood tapes were really damaging to Trump](http://election.princeton.edu/2016/10/17/the-polarization-hypothesis-passes-the-access-hollywood-test/). He was of the opinion that the movement in the polls was due instead to Trump’s bad performance in the first debate. He thinks that the political environment is so polarized and tribal at the moment that literally nothing will change voters’ minds. This current e-mail thing looks like it might not really amount to much, but if it gets sufficiently hyped then it could be an interesting further test of the hypothesis. > > I have to admit that I’m in that camp as well. Regardless of what comes out of the e-mail investigation, it seems to me a political sin within normal parameters of misconduct. If there was something in there sufficiently egregious (like Clinton talking about her participation in murders or something) then I could be persuaded not to vote for her like I’m intending to do at the moment, but it would be a question of leaving the ballot blank at that point - there is literally nothing Clinton could do or have done that would make me vote for Trump. Yes, one of Sam Wang’s themes this election season is that news doesn’t move the polls significantly or permanently. This is a good test of that theory. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=197) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=199)