# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/21 "2016-09-30T16:32:01Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > Although Clinton doesn’t have it in the bag yet, which is ridiculous given her opponent, I remain convinced she will eke out a win which, again, is ridiculous as it should be a blowout. Running up the score would just make those non-deplorable Republicans feel bad. Empathy is a liberal value! But in all seriousness, I think Clinton will win and do better in the popular vote than she’s doing now in the polls for two reasons: GOTV and third-party voters picking a side. I could be wrong. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/22 "2016-09-30T16:35:09Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > [Politico pulls no punches reporting on Trump’s latest Twitter tirade:](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/trump-early-tweet-storm-alicia-machado-228947) I can’t believe how deep of a trap Clinton laid with Machado. The actual accusation is so mild: Trump made a sexist comment about a woman’s weight. Ho Hum, it must be a day of the week ending with a “y”. It should have been lost among all the other attacks in a very contentious debate. But since Trump has a very personal loathing for the woman in question, he just can’t let it go, and so he just keeps digging himself deeper and deeper and deeper and all Clinton has to do is sit back and watch. I was a bit worried that after his debate performance that Trump might have learned from his mistakes and realize he needs to prepare for the next one and pay better attention to how he presents himself. But now it is clear that he hasn’t learned a thing, and that its all down hill from here. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/23 "2016-09-30T16:37:43Z")
Well, he sure hasn’t spent the past 4 days practicing. 9 days to go to get prepared to go against a woman doing this since 1965. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/24 "2016-09-30T16:45:38Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Trump’s June deposition video set to release. > > [http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/09/trump-deposition-video-release-schedule-228953](http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/09/trump-deposition-video-release-schedule-228953) The quoted article mentions that transcripts of the testimony have already been made public. Was there some sort of bombshell there that could be used against Trump? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/25 "2016-09-30T16:52:26Z")
There’s footage of Trump saying racist things in this legal proceeding, which will be utilized in advertisements. That’s the worry, and the argument, of the Trump team. The judge said “Tough shit”, which is _different_ from Curiel, who has not allowed the release of deposition videos. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/26 "2016-09-30T16:54:56Z")
Congressional Republicans refuse to support efforts to investigate Trump’s Russian ties; prefer to keep digging into Clinton’s emails. Huh. How about that. > **[GOP Blocks Probes Into Trump-Russia Ties](https://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-blocks-probes-into-trump-russia-ties?via=FB_Page&source=HuffPoFacebook)** > > Russian hackers are apparently trying to mess with our elections. But congressional Republicans are crippling any investigations—while their Clinton probes continue. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/27 "2016-09-30T17:01:29Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > I can’t believe how deep of a trap Clinton laid with Machado. The actual accusation is so mild: Trump made a sexist comment about a woman’s weight. Ho Hum, it must be a day of the week ending with a “y”. It should have been lost among all the other attacks in a very contentious debate. But since Trump has a very personal loathing for the woman in question, he just can’t let it go, and so he just keeps digging himself deeper and deeper and deeper and all Clinton has to do is sit back and watch. > > I was a bit worried that after his debate performance that Trump might have learned from his mistakes and realize he needs to prepare for the next one and pay better attention to how he presents himself. But now it is clear that he hasn’t learned a thing, and that its all down hill from here. What Trump is doing here is what he’s always done; Attack, attack, attack. He is showing everyone what happens if you are a small person with little power and you confront him - he will attack you personally with every lie and loathsome accusation at his disposal. It’s his way of sending a message: “Mess with me and I will utterly destroy you”. It’s how he has been successful in screwing people over in his business dealings. Speaking of his business dealings: I’m predicting in the next debate, Hillary brings in a specific, named example of a small business person who The Donald stiffed. A personal story of a good person whose business was destroyed because Trump refused to pay what he owed. And of course, Trump will spend the next 5 days after the debate attacking this poor small businessman. He simply does not learn. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/28 "2016-09-30T17:13:28Z")
That’s very plausible. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/29 "2016-09-30T17:19:18Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > Running up the score would just make those non-deplorable Republicans feel bad. Running up the score gets us more House and Senate seats. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/30 "2016-09-30T17:35:20Z")
This, double this, and again: this! Dem control of the Senate and the House used to be impossible, now, just unlikely. On the one hand, it would require an earth-shattering electoral catastrophe for the Republican Party. On the other hand, precisely that. Could save the Republican Party. And as Eugene V. Debs is my witness, I mean not the slightest sarcasm. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/31 "2016-09-30T17:45:57Z")
[QUOTE=Euphonious Polemic;19666447 I’m predicting in the next debate, Hillary brings in a specific, named example of a small business person who The Donald stiffed. A personal story of a good person whose business was destroyed because Trump refused to pay what he owed.[/QUOTE] Wouldn’t it be great if somehow one of those people got to ask the question themselves? I’m certain screening would prevent it, but what a lovely scene: Small Business Man: Mr Trump, I supplied and installed urinals for the Taj Mahal. We had a contract for $100,000. First, you slow paid me, and then I had to settle for $70,000. Why did you do this to me? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/32 "2016-09-30T17:49:08Z")
“It wasn’t personal, it was just business.” ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/33 "2016-09-30T18:04:15Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > Wouldn’t it be great if somehow one of those people got to ask the question themselves? I’m certain screening would prevent it, but what a lovely scene: > > Small Business Man: Mr Trump, I supplied and installed urinals for the Taj Mahal. We had a contract for $100,000. First, you slow paid me, and then I had to settle for $70,000. Why did you do this to me? As awesome as that would be, it would be as clearly partisan as getting that Benghazi mother to ask Clinton why she murdered her son. Relative truth of the accusation doesn’t matter, it would probably reflect more poorly on Clinton than Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/34 "2016-09-30T18:06:09Z")
This election has brought some “Boy cried wolf” chickens home to roost. For years, we’ve been subjected to hyperbole from both sides, telling us that each presidential election is “the most important of our generation” and that if we vote for the wrong person, the country is doomed. Now, we do have a candidate that could truly do immense damage to America, and some American voters are tuning out the fearmongering because they’ve heard it before in 2004, 2008, and 2012 with Bush, Kerry, McCain, Obama and Romney. Pundits cried wolf before when there wasn’t a real wolf, and now a real wolf has come but the villagers aren’t buying it. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/35 "2016-09-30T18:11:05Z")
Campaign staff shakeup coming in 5…4…3…2… “I have decided to spend more time with my family” “The campaign is going so very, very well, that they don’t need my help anymore” “\” ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/36 "2016-09-30T18:17:55Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I’m predicting in the next debate, Hillary brings in a specific, named example of a small business person who The Donald stiffed. A personal story of a good person whose business was destroyed because Trump refused to pay what he owed. > > And of course, Trump will spend the next 5 days after the debate attacking this poor small businessman. He simply does not learn. When you get into comedy, the veterans teach you three things: 1. Make fun of yourself. 2. Become a master of using microphones. 3. Punch up. Never punch down. Believe me; they know. If you don’t learn these three things in your first week, comedy will not treat you kindly. The Donald should have taken a standup comedy course. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/37 "2016-09-30T18:18:09Z")
[For last month of campaign, Clinton pivots to “Get Out The Base” strategy, ending appeals to wavering conservatives.](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/clinton-turnout-plan-2016-228964) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/38 "2016-09-30T18:28:50Z")
[Another newspaper ends its run of endorsing Republican Presidential candidates - the San Diego Tribune, **after 148 years** , endorses someone other than a Republican - Hillary Clinton.](http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/09/san-diego-union-tribune-endorses-hillary-clinton-for-president-228967) Oh, and they bluntly compare Trump to Hugo Chavez of Venezuela: > [@](#): > > “Terrible leaders can knock nations off course,” the editorial board wrote. “Venezuela is falling apart because of the obstinance and delusions of Hugo Chávez and his successor. Argentina is finally coming out of the chaos created by Cristina Kirchner and several of her predecessors. Trump could be our Chávez, our Kirchner. We cannot take that risk.” ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/39 "2016-09-30T18:41:48Z")
Ohio just turned pale blue in 538’s [Nowcast](http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo#now). 76 to 24 overall. ---
**Author:** ![quimper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/7c8e57/32.png) [@quimper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quimper)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2016, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/40 "2016-09-30T18:42:23Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > [For last month of campaign, Clinton pivots to “Get Out The Base” strategy, ending appeals to wavering conservatives.](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/clinton-turnout-plan-2016-228964) Well, makes sense. After that debate I can’t imagine there are many undecided voters left (just undeclared ones). Speaking of GOTV activities, has the Trump campaign even started the ground work? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=3)