# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/381 "2016-10-06T18:48:32Z")
[Trump wants people on their death beds to get up and vote for him before they die.](http://addictinginfo.org/2016/10/06/trump-to-the-terminally-ill-i-dont-care-how-sick-you-are-video/) ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/382 "2016-10-06T18:52:26Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > I read yesterday, “Has there ever been so clear a case of an over qualified woman competing for an executive position with some shitty, under qualified man?” Look, I’d be quite happy with a Clinton win but calling her “over qualified” is even more bullshit than calling her the most qualified in history. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/383 "2016-10-06T18:55:19Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [Former GOP Lawmakers chiming in.](http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dozens-of-former-gop-lawmakers-announce-opposition-to-trump/ar-BBx4RHS?li=BBnb7Kz)… Here’s CNN’s coverage of the letter: [http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/06/politics/republican-lawmakers-never-trump-letter/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/06/politics/republican-lawmakers-never-trump-letter/index.html) And more good news for Hillary: the President’s poll numbers have matched his all-time best: [http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/06/politics/obama-approval-rating-new-high/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/06/politics/obama-approval-rating-new-high/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/384 "2016-10-06T18:59:54Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Mr. Trump just lost a significant number of votes here in Nevada, i think:[People everywhere take names seriously. What Mr. Trump did will piss a lot of people off. > > How do you think he’d react if someone called him Donald Drumpf and then told him “no, you’re wrong; your name is Drumpf”? :dubious: [URL=“[https://vimeo.com/144916246](https://vimeo.com/144916246)”]The commercials that Nevada Tourism runs]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_CAMPAIGN\_2016\_THE\_LATEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-10-05-21-27-57](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CAMPAIGN_2016_THE_LATEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-10-05-21-27-57)), ends with the word “Nevada” spelled with the accent over the “a” indicating the proper pronunciation. So apparently they’re getting sick of this “Ne-vaaah-da” crap. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/385 "2016-10-06T19:10:00Z")
In this seriously something that bothers people from Nevada? It’s not like anyone is calling it “Mavada” or “Nabada.” ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/386 "2016-10-06T19:16:50Z")
I wish Donald had tried to tell Steve Jobs how to pronounce Jaguar. That would have been fun. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/387 "2016-10-06T19:18:25Z")
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**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/388 "2016-10-06T19:18:26Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > In this seriously something that bothers people from Nevada? It’s not like anyone is calling it “Mavada” or “Nabada.” I doubt it seriously bothers them so much as makes them think Trump’s a bit of a jackass. If someone from B.C. gave a speech in Toronto, are you saying it wouldn’t bug you a bit if he started telling you how to pronounce Ontario? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/389 "2016-10-06T19:20:11Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > In this seriously something that bothers people from Nevada? It’s not like anyone is calling it “Mavada” or “Nabada.” Wait 'til he goes to Frisco. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/390 "2016-10-06T19:26:25Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > In this seriously something that bothers people from Nevada? It’s not like anyone is calling it “Mavada” or “Nabada.” Trump will end up calling it La_n_bada, the forbidden state… ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/391 "2016-10-06T19:27:05Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > In this seriously something that bothers people from Nevada? It’s not like anyone is calling it “Mavada” or “Nabada.” Yes, it is. I moved to Nevada in 2002, and (as someone who pronounced it like the Spanish word) I found it ridiculous. All I can say is that it grows on you, and now it’s jarring to me to hear it pronounced “neh vah da.” It’s not something that I’d hold against you… unless you flew in from New York brashly insisting that you were right and the people who live here are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/392 "2016-10-06T19:35:28Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > In this seriously something that bothers people from Nevada? It’s not like anyone is calling it “Mavada” or “Nabada.” Probably as much as people in San Francisco who hate it when people call it Frisco. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/393 "2016-10-06T19:41:01Z")
Could have named Nevada after the first white settlement, at Fort Stinkin’ Desert. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/394 "2016-10-06T19:41:50Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Probably as much as people in San Francisco who hate it when people call it Frisco. I guess the rumours are true. Nobody reads [running coach’s posts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19680397&postcount=389). ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/395 "2016-10-06T19:42:03Z")
[As expected, Language Log has the Nevada story, complete with a recording.](http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=28708) Here’s what Trump specifically said: > [@](#): > > Heroin overdoses are surging and meth overdoses in Nevada > Nevada > and you know what I said? > you know what I said? > I said when I came out here I said > nobody says it the other way, has to be Nevada > right? > and if you don’t say it correctly > and it didn’t happen to me but it happened to a friend of mine he was killed He’s definitely picking a fight. He’s picking a fight with a state. Over how to pronounce the name of that state. And he isn’t even from there. The wonder never ceases. And, of course, Wikipedia has an interesting paragraph, with IPA: > [@](#): > > Most Nevadans pronounce the second syllable of their state name using the /æ/ vowel of “bad”. Many from outside the Western United States pronounce it with the /ɑː/ vowel of “father” /nəˈvɑːdə/. Although the latter pronunciation is closer to the Spanish pronunciation, it is not the pronunciation preferred by most Nevadans. State Assemblyman Harry Mortenson proposed a bill to recognize the alternate (quasi-Spanish) pronunciation of Nevada,[16] though the bill was not supported by most legislators and never received a vote. The Nevadan pronunciation is the de facto official one, since it is the one used by the state legislature. The state’s official tourism organization, TravelNevada, stylizes the name of the state as “Nevăda”, with a breve mark over the a indicating the locally preferred pronunciation[17] which is also available as a license plate design. > **[Nevada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada)** > > Nevada (/nəˈvædəˌ -vɑː-/ ⓘ nə-VAD-ə, -⁠VAH-, .mw-parser-output .IPA-label-small{font-size:85%}.mw-parser-output .references .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .infobox .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .navbox .IPA-label-small{font-size:100%}Spanish: \[neˈβaða\]) is a landlocked state in the Western region of the United States.\[c\] It borders Oregon to the northwest, Idaho to the northeast, California to the west, Arizona to the southeast, and Utah to the east. Nevada is the 7th-most extensiv Nev... ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/396 "2016-10-06T19:43:36Z")
[Trump’s own lawyer testified in court that they had to meet with him in pairs in order to have witnesses when he tried to backtrack and claim he didn’t say what he said when he was meeting with them.](http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/trumps-own-bankruptcy-lawyers-say-he-lies-so-much-they-could-only-meet-with-him-in-pairs/) ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/397 "2016-10-06T19:43:43Z")
Maybe he’s still got Iowa on the brain, from all those stupid people. The town there pronounces it with the VAH. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/398 "2016-10-06T19:44:01Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > But then, so are Silver’s. > > It’s important to note that the disagreements between Wang’s and Silver’s models are, in the broad scheme of political projections, REALLY minor. You’ve got two honest to God statisticians who use a logical, fact-based approach based on mathematics. They have some methodological differences but both arrive at pretty much the same conclusions and keep getting it right. The majority of other “forecasts” are either based on something other than math, or apply math to something other than polls, or “unskew” the polls, or are based on some other variety of unicorns, hopes and dreams. Furthermore given the relatively small number of actual predictions that they make, it is impossible to say with certainty that one predictor was better than another. Suppose for example Nate says there is a 70% chance that Clinton wins the election and Wang says there is a 90% chance. The election commences and Clinton wins. Does that mean that Wang had a better predictor? No. Nate could be spot on and Wang off by 20%, and this would still be the result seven times out of 10. In order to identify a real difference between the models, you would need about 30 elections, so you can see whether Clinton won in 21/30 or in 27/30. Since they only happen every 4 years, it’s going to take a while. Also looking at the state results won’t save you because on average Wang and Nate give the basically the same probability for different states. With the main difference between the predictors being the degree to which states travel together, which can only be determined by looking across a large number of elections. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/399 "2016-10-06T19:44:56Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > He’s definitely picking a fight. He’s picking a fight with a state. Over how to pronounce the name of that state. And he isn’t even from there. With a _swing state_! That currently has the highest [Voter Power Index](http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo) at [fivethirtyeight.com](http://fivethirtyeight.com)! ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2016, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/400 "2016-10-06T19:45:06Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > In this seriously something that bothers people from Nevada? It’s not like anyone is calling it “Mavada” or “Nabada.” I’ve lived my entire life in the Land of Lincoln, and it bugs me when someone pronounces the S at the end of Illinois. Have enough respect for my state to pronounce it right, ok? I suspect that folks in Arkansas get irate when someone pronounces their state name like it’s Kansas with an Ar in front of it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=21)