# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 204
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4065 "2016-10-29T19:05:18Z")
> [@Lok](#): > > The only time the filibuster can still be used is for the Supreme Court. The Dems nuked it for legislation & lower court appointments the last time they had the Senate. Understood. I was responding to **BobLibDem** ’s suggestion that we also nuke it for SCOTUS appointments. Legislation can still be filibustered, as well as non-court nominations, but that 's a different subject. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4066 "2016-10-29T19:05:21Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > Just out of wonder, how **does** voting work in person? I’ve only ever done it early by mail because screw lines. [there is a thread …](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=808644) ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4067 "2016-10-29T19:22:00Z")
> [@](#): > > “Director Comey understood our position. He heard it from Justice leadership,” the official said. “It was conveyed to the FBI, and Comey made an independent decision to alert the Hill. He is operating independently of the Justice Department. And he knows it.” I read this as, “his ass is toast if there’s nothing to this investigation and there’s still a Democrat in the White House when it’s done”. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4068 "2016-10-29T19:44:27Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > :rolleyes: > > First, we have no idea yet what the effect of this story is yet. Second, I seriously doubt Comey wants Trump as his boss. Well, riddle me this, Batman: How many times have you seen the FBI go out of their way to denigrate the target of an investigation after they conclude their was no basis for charges? Did Comey have to say he considered her behavior to be reckless? And let’s see- why after learning that there were three emails on a laptop that Weiner and his estranged wife share, not addressed to or sent by Clinton, does Comey inform _Republican_ leaders that there he has more possibly relevant (though more likely not) evidence? On a Friday no less, in order to get the whole news cycle for the weekend? And contrary to the advice of the Justice Dept.? You could throw a rotted fish into a pile of pig manure and not have something smell as bad. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4069 "2016-10-29T20:06:09Z")
Well maybe he thought it _was_ reckless. You don’t agree that the Secretary of State running her email through a personal poorly secured server is reckless? Seems obviously so to me. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4070 "2016-10-29T20:26:33Z")
Also, the rest of your post is riddled with misinformation. He informed senior Democrat members of the same committees as the Republican chairmen. We don’t know how many emails were just found. The idea that releasing stuff on Friday is the new best way for maximum effect is debatable at best. At this point, I’m unsure I should trust you that a rotten fish on pigshit smells bad. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4071 "2016-10-29T20:26:44Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Well maybe he thought it _was_ reckless. You don’t agree that the Secretary of State running her email through a personal poorly secured server is reckless? Seems obviously so to me. Reckless, but not criminal. Criminal would be something along the lines of raping a 13 year old. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4072 "2016-10-29T20:37:42Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > It’s even better as she did it because she thought her first vote was going to be changed to Hillary. If she thought that, why wouldn’t she think the second would be changed to Hillary? ETA: And if she really thought the second would be honestly recorded, then she should have voted a third time to keep her vote tally at Trump +1 😉 You use the words “she thought” a couple of times there. I’m inclined to believe that is the flaw in your logic. Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4073 "2016-10-29T20:43:23Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Criminal would be something along the lines of raping a 13 year old. > Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I’ll take your word on it. I’m not an expert on who you’re allowed to rape. Regards, Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4074 "2016-10-29T20:58:10Z")
[Latest ABC/WaPo results](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/shift-electorates-makeup-tightens-presidential-contest-poll/story?id=43142198) show Hillary leading by just 2 points, within the margin of error, and here’s the thing: that was _ **before** _ Friday’s bombshell announcement. In related news, a CNN opinion piece is calling for Comey’s resignation. I can see the point. Releasing factual information that undermines a candidate just before an election is one thing. Releasing vague non-information that lets Republican partisans spin it into mountains of innuendo is quite something else. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4075 "2016-10-29T21:04:00Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > …In related news, a CNN opinion piece is calling for Comey’s resignation… Here it is: [http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/28/opinions/fbi-director-comey-should-resign-opinion-callan/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/28/opinions/fbi-director-comey-should-resign-opinion-callan/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4076 "2016-10-29T21:14:22Z")
At the very least, he has to say _something_! Has he been falsely enlisted to the Trump cause, that they can say he has given them certain and solid proof of crime? How can a man with even a crumb of integrity let that stand, even for a minute? They are using his words to tell a lie, and he will stand there and let it happen? It happened today, he should have answered it today. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4077 "2016-10-29T21:24:59Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Yeah, if that is seething then Jennifer Hawkins, the 2004 Miss Universe winner from Australia. was angry when Trump did grab it and forcibly kissed her. > > [A newly surfaced video shows Donald Trump grabbing and kissing a former Miss Universe onstage | Vox](http://www.vox.com/identities/2016/10/28/13459750/trump-video-miss-universe-grab-kiss-jennifer-hawkins) > > > [@](#): > > > > A disturbing video from a 2011 corporate speech shows Donald Trump sexually humiliating a woman in front of thousands of people and going in for what appears to be a nonconsensual kiss, the Huffington Post’s Ryan Grim reports. > > … The video includes Trump saying flat-out that in the process of getting revenge, he invents damaging allegations and uses them against his victim. He appears to take pride in this. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4078 "2016-10-29T21:42:44Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > At the very least, he has to say _something_! Has he been falsely enlisted to the Trump cause, that they can say he has given them certain and solid proof of crime? How can a man with even a crumb of integrity let that stand, even for a minute? They are using his words to tell a lie, and he will stand there and let it happen? > > It happened today, he should have answered it today. I’m actually surprised that there hasn’t been some sort of clarification from Comey yet in view of this shitstorm, but one certainly has to be coming. What I’d like to see is Obama kick some ass and make it happen. There’s nothing partisan about demanding actual information instead of innuendo. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4079 "2016-10-29T22:18:45Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > I read this as, “his ass is toast if there’s nothing to this investigation and there’s still a Democrat in the White House when it’s done”. Yeah, he’s going to end up resigning long before his 10 yr term is up. I’m guessing before January. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4080 "2016-10-29T23:05:17Z")
Trump’s daughter-in-law Lara is claiming that Comey did what he did because Trump forced his hand. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4081 "2016-10-29T23:11:28Z")
The FBI Director serves at the pleasure of the President. I wonder if this was actually an attempt by Comey to future-proof himself. IOW, he figured that creating a minor shit-storm now would mean the Ds couldn’t fire him after the election lest it look like such an obvious gross political hatchet job. So he’d be safe through the next administration. And he expected he’d get to look like a “fair cop” who places honesty and integrity above election-watching. If my thought is correct, it appears he miscalculated the size of the shitstorm he launched. ---
**Author:** ![Tzigone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4082 "2016-10-29T23:17:22Z")
> [@](#): > > Trump’s daughter-in-law Lara is claiming that Comey did what he did because Trump forced his hand. How would that work? Can I get a link? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4083 "2016-10-29T23:23:43Z")
> [@Tzigone](#): > > How would that work? Can I get a link? [http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/303411-trumps-daughter-in-law-predicts-nail-in-the-coffin-for](http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/303411-trumps-daughter-in-law-predicts-nail-in-the-coffin-for) ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4084 "2016-10-29T23:42:53Z")
> [@Tzigone](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Trump’s daughter-in-law Lara is claiming that Comey did what he did because Trump forced his hand. > > How would that work? The same way he forced NATO to start thinking about terrorism. But as he said during the first debate, he probably won’t get credit for that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=203) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=205)