# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 208
**Author:** ![skdo23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@skdo23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skdo23)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4145 "2016-10-30T17:46:47Z")
It doesn’t look like this is going to a huge game changer. [http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-battleground-poll-partisans-divide-on-news-of-fbi-emails/](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-battleground-poll-partisans-divide-on-news-of-fbi-emails/) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4146 "2016-10-30T17:50:45Z")
Trump Tweet > [@](#): > > Wow, Twitter, Google and Facebook are burying the FBI criminal investigation of Clinton. Very dishonest media! ---
**Author:** ![skdo23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@skdo23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skdo23)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4147 "2016-10-30T17:57:21Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Trump Tweet Yeah, my guess is that as things get clarified and it turns out that the facts do not fit Trump’s “Worse than Watergate” narrative he’ll have another meltdown. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4148 "2016-10-30T18:06:08Z")
Has he ever even congealed? He’s been melted down for a couple few months now. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4149 "2016-10-30T18:13:35Z")
> [@skdo23](#): > > Yeah, my guess is that as things get clarified and it turns out that the facts do not fit Trump’s “Worse than Watergate” narrative he’ll have another meltdown. Minor corrective/enhancement: more people are _finding out_ that the facts do not fit his narrative. And if Comey comes out and underlines that truth, he will go totally ballistic. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4150 "2016-10-30T18:17:47Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > It is how it shows that Trump does not care how long it will take to get his revenge from anyone that crosses him, he will get it; besides being a pig, he will be a danger to all, but specially to all that have opposed him so far; it should worry all that he could become more powerful. **Guys like him want power to humiliate their fellow citizens that are his enemies regardless of how costly it will be for the country.** That’s an important point that a lot of Trump supporters don’t seem to be aware of. Ask people what they think of when you say “billionaire”, and a lot of people imagine a guy who likes luxury: mansions, yachts, the finest foods, etc. Think Thurston Howell III. But a lot of very rich guys are driven more by the ability their money gives them to dominate people. And Trump is very much in that category. He buys and displays expensive stuff, but that seems almost for show. He admitted as much in his _Playboy_ interview, claiming that the trappings of his wealth meant less to him than the pursuit of it. An even more disturbing wrinkle to this side of Trump was revealed in [something said by actual billionaire Richard Branson.](http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/richard-branson-tells-world-about-his-weird-vindictive-lunch-donald-trump) Branson claimed that Trump once invited him to lunch, where he told Branson that there were five people whom he had vowed to destroy. His reason? They had refused Trump’s request for financial help when he was failing in the 1990’s. Trump frequently admits that he “hit(s) back ten times as hard” when someone hits him. His poorly-educated base hears this and pictures a tough version of Thurston Howell. _But Trump considers it ‘hitting’ him if you turn down his request for charity. And he will destroy you for it._ That’s less like Thurston Howell than Saddam Hussein. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4151 "2016-10-30T19:05:25Z")
> [@ganthet](#): > > If Abedin was hiding emails intentionally, it doesn’t make sense that she would still keep them on a personal computer and not delete them. From the leaked e-mails it doesn’t seem that computer literacy is one of the defining characteristics of the Clinton team. If only they were as good at cyber as Trump’s son. > [@jsc1953](#): > > The most surprising thing about Maher’s commentary: the image of Noam Chomsky listening to a sports call-in show. Chomsky is interested in the attitudes and opinions of normal people and spent a lot of time observing American media and the role of propaganda. Sports is classic bread and circuses. That observation is one he uses a lot, especially when people talk about the populace not being intelligent enough to understand something. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4152 "2016-10-30T19:10:53Z")
[Kurt Eichenwald is reporting](http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/10/30/top-bush-admin-official-just-filed-ethics-complaint-fbi-director-partisan-meddling/): > [@](#): > > University of Minnesota law professor and former Bush Administration White House ethics counsel Richard Painter has filed a an official ethics complaint with the Department of Justice’s Office of Special Counsel against the FBI Director for abusing his office with pernicious political activity. A Washington Post op-ed from former Deputy Attorneys General Jamie Gorelick and Larry Thomspon was titled, “James Comey is Damaging Our Democracy.” The Democratic Coalition against Trump has filed a Hatch Act complaint against Comey. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4153 "2016-10-30T19:13:49Z")
> [@skdo23](#): > > It doesn’t look like this is going to a huge game changer. > [http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-battleground-poll-partisans-divide-on-news-of-fbi-emails/](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-battleground-poll-partisans-divide-on-news-of-fbi-emails/) Wang is right again: Most of the electorate is too polarized for anything except a political neutron bomb to sway opinion meaningfully, and Trump isn’t a nuclear power now, so he won’t become one in November. > [@F.U.Shakespeare](#): > > Trump frequently admits that he “hit(s) back ten times as hard” when someone hits him. His poorly-educated base hears this and pictures a tough version of Thurston Howell. _But Trump considers it ‘hitting’ him if you turn down his request for charity. And he will destroy you for it._ That’s less like Thurston Howell than Saddam Hussein. Or like a stereotypical gangster. Think old-fashioned mob movie: A gangster is a heavy who flashes nice cars and nice clothes but who still talks wit dese an dose an da udder ting; if the director really over-eggs it, he’ll be full Gorcey and say things in all humidity. And, of course, he’s psychotically prickly about insults. He cannot imagine just letting anything go. Downright deadly with a grapefruit, too… The point is, they’re caricatures of the _nouveau riche_ who made their pot but never learned the social rules the current upper-crust, those tasteful enough to arrange for their grandparents to have been the grasping strivers unfit for society, learned from birth. Except, of course, Trump _is_ Old Money. He grew up in a rich family. He went to the nice school. It just didn’t make enough of an impression, because he has deep problems and is apparently incapable of learning from experience. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4154 "2016-10-30T19:15:11Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > [Kurt Eichenwald is reporting](http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/10/30/top-bush-admin-official-just-filed-ethics-complaint-fbi-director-partisan-meddling/): > > A Washington Post op-ed from former Deputy Attorneys General Jamie Gorelick and Larry Thomspon was titled, “James Comey is Damaging Our Democracy.” > > The Democratic Coalition against Trump has filed a Hatch Act complaint against Comey. Comey has managed to piss off both sides in this election. That’s quite a feat (and actually, might be an indicator of integrity.) He must be loving life. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4155 "2016-10-30T20:06:42Z")
This seems to be backfiring on Comey and the Republicans. I’m still predicting a Clinton win next week, and now I’m seeing a change in FBI directors in the near future. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4156 "2016-10-30T20:21:06Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > This seems to be backfiring on Comey and the Republicans. I’m still predicting a Clinton win next week, and now I’m seeing a change in FBI directors in the near future. Frankly I think he might want to be gone. I posted somewhere my WAG is that he’s setting himself up as a hero among the right-wingers so he can capitalize in the right-wing media world, which seems to do especially well during Democratic administrations. And with the third straight Democratic presidential term in a row headed our way, you can bet there’s money to be made among the angry right-wing. Perhaps he can cover justice matters on TrumpTV. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4157 "2016-10-30T20:23:42Z")
> [@Randolph](#): > > Has he ever even congealed? He’s been melted down for a couple few months now. he seems to be runny for president ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4158 "2016-10-30T20:31:30Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Frankly I think he might want to be gone. I posted somewhere my WAG is that he’s setting himself up as a hero among the right-wingers so he can capitalize in the right-wing media world, which seems to do especially well during Democratic administrations. And with the third straight Democratic presidential term in a row headed our way, you can bet there’s money to be made among the angry right-wing. Perhaps he can cover justice matters on TrumpTV. I have previously suggested that Trump’s not that great a risk to the Republic. What’s a risk is the \*skillful \*rightist populist authoritarian who seizes that baton in 2020. I had previously nominated Arpaio as the heir apparent to the role. I know very little of Comey as himself. He might be an inward-focused career bureaucrat, or he might fancy himself as the guy to seize the power of the masses after Il Douche finishes whipping them up for him. Anyone with better insight into the guy’s history? ---
**Author:** ![LC\_Strawhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@LC\_Strawhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LC_Strawhouse)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4159 "2016-10-30T21:04:47Z")
Would it be in bad taste to remind that TED CRUZ was next in line for this year’s nomination? Whatever happens, I’ll still raise a glass to Trump simply for kicking his ass out of the race. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4160 "2016-10-30T21:15:34Z")
> [@LC\_Strawhouse](#): > > Would it be in bad taste to remind that TED CRUZ was next in line for this year’s nomination? Whatever happens, I’ll still raise a glass to Trump simply for kicking his ass out of the race. [This might be my favorite image of the 2016 elections.](https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2016/10/CruzSad1.png) Even after the last ballot is counted and final balloon has dropped, we’ll always have ‘Sad Ted Phone Banks for Trump.’ ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4161 "2016-10-30T21:19:00Z")
> [@LC\_Strawhouse](#): > > Would it be in bad taste to remind that TED CRUZ was next in line for this year’s nomination? Whatever happens, I’ll still raise a glass to Trump simply for kicking his ass out of the race. There was a thread in this forum back during the primaries arguing that Trump was better than Cruz. At least a few posters agreed. Check it out to see if it makes any sense now. ---
**Author:** ![LC\_Strawhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@LC\_Strawhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LC_Strawhouse)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4162 "2016-10-30T21:22:46Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > [This might be my favorite image of the 2016 elections.](https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2016/10/CruzSad1.png) Even after the last ballot is counted and final balloon has dropped, we’ll always have ‘Sad Ted Phone Banks for Trump.’ Ha, reminds me of my favorite 2012 moment - [Mitt Romney at his absolute best](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c37VcgHUFVk) (crushing Rick Perry, that is) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4163 "2016-10-30T21:24:11Z")
Well, Cruz is a very disagreeable and obnoxious person, whereas Trump is…not so much. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2016, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4164 "2016-10-30T21:35:39Z")
> [@LC\_Strawhouse](#): > > Would it be in bad taste Maybe, but that’s never stopped us before. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=207) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=209)