# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 213
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4245 "2016-10-31T19:12:37Z")
So now we have two examples of why voter ID is necessary! At least that’s what we’ll hear. Never mind that it’s unlikely it would have made a difference in either of these cases. ---
**Author:** ![Dob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Dob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dob)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4246 "2016-10-31T19:19:49Z")
This country confuses me… Obama has like a 54% approval rating now right? So 54% of Americans approve of the job he is doing. Yet, HRC is only around 48% support nationally. So who likes Obama as a president but isn’t supporting HRC? Is there any doubt that DJT will work his hardest to undo everything Obama has done over the last 8 years? Especially when (as most retired presidents do) his approval rating goes up even higher and DJT’s drop? Makes no sense to me… who are the American voters??? What are we doing?? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4247 "2016-10-31T19:31:51Z")
> [@Dob](#): > > This country confuses me… Obama has like a 54% approval rating now right? So 54% of Americans approve of the job he is doing. Yet, HRC is only around 48% support nationally. So who likes Obama as a president but isn’t supporting HRC? > > Is there any doubt that DJT will work his hardest to undo everything Obama has done over the last 8 years? Especially when (as most retired presidents do) his approval rating goes up even higher and DJT’s drop? > > Makes no sense to me… who are the American voters??? What are we doing?? It’s about more than policies, Obama is a likeable charismatic guy and Hillary simply isn’t. Or if she is it just doesn’t come through. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4248 "2016-10-31T19:33:50Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > It’s about more than policies, Obama is a likeable charismatic guy and Hillary simply isn’t. Or if she is it just doesn’t come through. You have it right there. Obama is a guy. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4249 "2016-10-31T19:34:53Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > It’s about more than policies, Obama is a likeable charismatic guy and Hillary simply isn’t. Or if she is it just doesn’t come through. …or the hatchet job the Republicans have been doing on her for decades has been effective. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4250 "2016-10-31T19:40:40Z")
> [@Dob](#): > > This country confuses me… Obama has like a 54% approval rating now right? So 54% of Americans approve of the job he is doing. Yet, HRC is only around 48% support nationally. So who likes Obama as a president but isn’t supporting HRC? > > Is there any doubt that DJT will work his hardest to undo everything Obama has done over the last 8 years? Especially when (as most retired presidents do) his approval rating goes up even higher and DJT’s drop? > > Makes no sense to me… who are the American voters??? What are we doing?? It’s not so confusing if you suspect, as I do, that at least 10% of that 54% approve of Obama largely by favorably comparing him to the two shysters running for President this time. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4251 "2016-10-31T19:52:18Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > You have it right there. Obama is a guy. So are John Kerry or Ted Cruz and nobody likes them either. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4252 "2016-10-31T19:56:18Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > It’s not so confusing if you suspect, as I do, that at least 10% of that 54% approve of Obama largely by favorably comparing him to the two shysters running for President this time. That’s about right. I’m in that gap, that would give Obama an approval, but not Hillary. I probably agree with every position Hillary holds, more or less; but I think that she (and Bill) are shady, and she’s done nothing in this campaign to disabuse me of that notion. So I’m holding my nose and voting for her. Hell, I even donated to her campaign, and I’m volunteering time to man the phones next weekend. Doesn’t mean I like her, much – I just loathe everything about Trump that much more. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4253 "2016-10-31T20:03:08Z")
Incidently, given the general tone of the press treatment of the events since Friday, I guess we can dispense with the notion that the media has been going easy on Hillary, right? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4254 "2016-10-31T20:24:44Z")
[Comey opposed the FBI commenting on Russian involvement in the hacking incidents because of its timing so close to the election.](http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/31/fbis-comey-opposed-naming-russians-citing-election-timing-source.html) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4255 "2016-10-31T20:45:51Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > [Comey opposed the FBI commenting on Russian involvement in the hacking incidents because of its timing so close to the election.](http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/31/fbis-comey-opposed-naming-russians-citing-election-timing-source.html) If true, that casts a different light on Comey’s intentions. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4256 "2016-10-31T21:07:32Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Incidently, given the general tone of the press treatment of the events since Friday, I guess we can dispense with the notion that the media has been going easy on Hillary, right? How so? It only made it onto page 10 of my Monday paper. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4257 "2016-10-31T21:14:34Z")
[Trump calls fact checkers “dishonest scum”](http://addictinginfo.org/2016/10/31/after-telling-37-lies-in-one-day-trump-calls-fact-checkers-scum-video/) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4258 "2016-10-31T21:45:34Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > [Comey opposed the FBI commenting on Russian involvement in the hacking incidents because of its timing so close to the election.](http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/31/fbis-comey-opposed-naming-russians-citing-election-timing-source.html) Yeah, but its from “source”. Toss that into the “alleged” pile. Gotta remember, rotten sumbitches draw as much lies as good people, perhaps more. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4259 "2016-10-31T21:53:01Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Incidently, given the general tone of the press treatment of the events since Friday, I guess we can dispense with the notion that the media has been going easy on Hillary, right? Never. As long as they treat her like a human being instead of like a Democrat, they’re biased and the reason you need to subscribe to Trump TV. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4260 "2016-10-31T22:16:15Z")
Even shock-jock Howard Stern knows when someone’s gone too far. [![](http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161031/170393a155aed73948a6e91390bdded1.png) ](http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161031/170393a155aed73948a6e91390bdded1.png) [![](http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161031/f4a16a3e852f6a58c3b4fa8564aa1180.png) ](http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161031/f4a16a3e852f6a58c3b4fa8564aa1180.png) > **[Yes, even Howard Stern is disavowing Donald Trump's "locker room talk"](https://www.mic.com/articles/157119/yes-even-howard-stern-is-disavowing-trump-s-so-called-locker-room-talk?utm_source=policymicFB&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=WHFacebook&utm_content=inf_10_285_2&tse_id=INF_d4c1deb09f8911e6bd3ee3ca348530db)** > > In February, BuzzFeed News uncovered dozens of unsavory sound bites from Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump's many interviews on The Howard Stern Show. From the '90s through the early 2000s, Trump bragged about his sex life,... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4261 "2016-10-31T22:37:38Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > [Comey opposed the FBI commenting on Russian involvement in the hacking incidents because of its timing so close to the election.](http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/31/fbis-comey-opposed-naming-russians-citing-election-timing-source.html) I just started a thread about this Slate article - > **[A Group of Computer Scientists Believes a Trump Server Was Communicating With...](https://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/10/was_a_server_registered_to_the_trump_organization_communicating_with_russia.html)** > > Read Franklin Foer's follow-up story for new statements from the Trump campaign and Alfa Bank and analysis of the competing theories about the server a ... Which has details about how there’s a direct, clandestine, server connection between Trump Tower and a Russian bank called Alfa. It’s a long and damning article, showing the coordination between the two servers and the attempts to hide their connection once the questions started. Here’s the thread - **[Trump Tower has a direct server connection to a Russian bank](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=809167)** ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2016, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4262 "2016-10-31T23:20:19Z")
> [@Dob](#): > > This country confuses me… Obama has like a 54% approval rating now right? So 54% of Americans approve of the job he is doing. Yet, HRC is only around 48% support nationally. So who likes Obama as a president but isn’t supporting HRC? > > Is there any doubt that DJT will work his hardest to undo everything Obama has done over the last 8 years? Especially when (as most retired presidents do) his approval rating goes up even higher and DJT’s drop? > > Makes no sense to me… who are the American voters??? What are we doing?? Some of those 6% are voting for Stein or Johnson. Of course that still makes no sense, since it’s equivalent to not voting. > [@jsc1953](#): > > That’s about right. I’m in that gap, that would give Obama an approval, but not Hillary. > > I probably agree with every position Hillary holds, more or less; but I think that she (and Bill) are shady, and she’s done nothing in this campaign to disabuse me of that notion. > > So I’m holding my nose and voting for her. Hell, I even donated to her campaign, and I’m volunteering time to man the phones next weekend. Doesn’t mean I like her, much – I just loathe everything about Trump that much more. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4263 "2016-11-01T02:00:57Z")
I have absolutely no idea how that quote from \*\* jsc1953\*\* got in the bottom of my post. I only intended to quote **Dob**. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4264 "2016-11-01T02:11:46Z")
This one is beyond pathetic. in 1996, Trump pushed his way into a ribbon cutting ceremony for a nursery school for children with AIDS and sat in one of the dais seats reserved for major donors, and he hadn’t donated a cent. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-boasts-of-his-philanthropy-but-his-giving-falls-short-of-his-words/2016/10/29/b3c03106-9ac7-11e6-a0ed-ab0774c1eaa5\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-boasts-of-his-philanthropy-but-his-giving-falls-short-of-his-words/2016/10/29/b3c03106-9ac7-11e6-a0ed-ab0774c1eaa5_story.html) > [@](#): > > There was then-Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani (R) and former mayor David Dinkins (D). TV stars Frank and Kathie Lee Gifford, who were major donors. And there was a seat saved for Steven Fisher, a developer who had given generously to build the nursery. > … > “Nobody knew he was coming,” said Abigail Disney, another donor sitting on the dais. “There’s this kind of ruckus at the door, and I don’t know what was going on, and in comes Donald Trump. [He] just gets up on the podium and sits down.” > > Trump was not a major donor. He was not a donor, period. He’d never given a dollar to the nursery or the Association to Benefit Children, according to Gretchen Buchenholz, the charity’s executive director then and now. > … > Afterward, Disney and Buchenholz recalled, Trump left without offering an explanation. Or a donation. Fisher was stuck in the audience. The charity spent months trying to repair its relationship with him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=212) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=214)