# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 214
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4265 "2016-11-01T02:56:38Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > …or the hatchet job the Republicans have been doing on her for decades has been effective. ## Her approval ratings are actually bizarrely variable. She has been at very low levels several times over the past quarter-century and at very high levels at other points over that span. It’s quite a roller coaster. Me trick-or-treating tonight in my Trump mask, with Tic-Tacs at the ready in case I run into any beautiful women and don’t want to wait: [https://twitter.com/SlackerInc/status/793263765084966912](https://twitter.com/SlackerInc/status/793263765084966912) ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4266 "2016-11-01T03:05:06Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Me trick-or-treating tonight in my Trump mask, with Tic-Tacs at the ready in case I run into any beautiful women and don’t want to wait: [x.com](https://twitter.com/SlackerInc/status/793263765084966912) Your mask has normal human skin tones and is, therefore, not realistic. Did you consider spray painting it orange? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4267 "2016-11-01T03:17:03Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > Your mask has normal human skin tones and is, therefore, not realistic. Did you consider spray painting it orange? LOL, good point. My wife still found it very disturbing though. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4268 "2016-11-01T03:30:08Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > LOL, good point. My wife still found it very disturbing though. My seven-year-old, on his own, asked if we could skip the house with the Trump sign out front. There were also two dudes sitting in the driveway next to a barrel fire drinking beers. He said it looked a little too scary. I didn’t argue. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4269 "2016-11-01T03:38:38Z")
Smart kid! It was interesting how many little kids immediately recognized who I was and pointed and got excited and exclaimed “hey Trump!”. It was disturbing in a way. I wondered what they know about Trump. It was almost like if they recognized a porn star or something. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4270 "2016-11-01T04:23:54Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > That’s about right. I’m in that gap, that would give Obama an approval, but not Hillary. > > I probably agree with every position Hillary holds, more or less; but I think that she (and Bill) are shady, and she’s done nothing in this campaign to disabuse me of that notion. > > So I’m holding my nose and voting for her. Hell, I even donated to her campaign, and I’m volunteering time to man the phones next weekend. Doesn’t mean I like her, much – I just loathe everything about Trump that much more. This is pretty much me, too. I also have donated and volunteered (and will again). And on Nov. 8 I’m voting much more against Trump than for Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4271 "2016-11-01T05:28:34Z")
Hillary is a very human candidate. On one hand, I agree she plays politics. A lot, and they probably do political wheeling and dealing. On the other hand, people that work with her constantly refer to how warm she is as a person, and amidst the whole email leak people never talk about private emails such as this one: [![](https://i.imgur.com/Vry54iy.png) ](https://i.imgur.com/Vry54iy.png) > [@](#): > > From: H \ > Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 4:39 PM > To: ‘verveerms@state.gov’ > Subject: Noori Ali > > Do you recall Noori Ali(?), the ten year old Yemeni girl who got herself divorced?! met her at the Glamour awards last year. There was a CNN story last few days about how unhappy she is, still living at home, not attending school and quite angry that her life is not better. Is there any way we can help her? Could we get her to the US for counselling and education? This was a private email to Melanne Verveer that shows genuine concern for someone. If this had panned out, I wouldn’t be surprised if Clinton used it for political points, but I think it’s also a mistake to view her as some cold unfeeling power seeker-bot. I’ll happily vote for her. Is she flawed? Yes, there are politicians that are less shady (and/or better at hiding it), but she also seems to be very good and caring a lot of the time. I’d openly agree that we can produce a better candidate, but I also don’t think that means Clinton is bad. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4272 "2016-11-01T05:40:33Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > My seven-year-old, on his own, asked if we could skip the house with the Trump sign out front. There were also two dudes sitting in the driveway next to a barrel fire drinking beers. He said it looked a little too scary. I didn’t argue. Since I got flak recently for saying that the Trump-supporting demographic tends to be uneducated and stupid, let me make up for it by suggesting that the two dudes sitting in the driveway next to a barrel fire drinking beers might have been a leading research biochemist and a Nobel laureate in medicine discussing a possible research collaboration for which they hope a Trump administration will provide generous funding. Noam Chomsky was going to join them later just to chat about how much it would mean to the academic establishment to get Trump elected. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4273 "2016-11-01T07:05:54Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > Hillary is a very human candidate. On one hand, I agree she plays politics. A lot, and they probably do political wheeling and dealing. On the other hand, people that work with her constantly refer to how warm she is as a person, and amidst the whole email leak people never talk about private emails such as this one: > > [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://i.imgur.com/Vry54iy.png) > > This was a private email to Melanne Verveer that shows genuine concern for someone. If this had panned out, I wouldn’t be surprised if Clinton used it for political points, but I think it’s also a mistake to view her as some cold unfeeling power seeker-bot. > > I’ll happily vote for her. Is she flawed? Yes, there are politicians that are less shady (and/or better at hiding it), but she also seems to be very good and caring a lot of the time. I’d openly agree that we can produce a better candidate, but I also don’t think that means Clinton is bad. Thank you for posting this. I definitely feel she gets a bum rap. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4274 "2016-11-01T07:08:02Z")
She doesn’t get a bum rap, but it is true that it’s rarely reported how much loyalty she inspires, and how much even many of her political opponents like her personally(and even politically to some extent). She has her positive points, but she also has very serious pathologies, partially enabled by the very loyalty the people close to her have. As one leaked email said, “Someone should have told her no.” ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4275 "2016-11-01T09:30:08Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](#): > > It’s not so confusing if you suspect, as I do, that at least 10% of that 54% approve of Obama largely by favorably comparing him to the two shysters running for President this time. Two shysters, maybe, but one has been on a public service track her whole life, and the other hasn’t. I’ll grant Trump his full due credit for having run a massive financial empire, and acknowledge that some of that experience can translate to the Executive Office. However, running the country simply Is Not the same thing as running a business. The motives and methods are actually quite different. It is kind of like an ace fighter pilot claiming at the end of his career, “I am ready on day one to step into office as an oral surgeon!” Well look, I am sure if the ace pilot had been _focusing_ on dentistry the whole time he would be prepared for it, but he has been engaged in something altogether different, and oral surgery actually requires a very high level of specific competence… Aside from that, Hillary is a lawyer lifer, and Trump is not. The office of the President is to a very large extent a legal affair, and aside from successful generals I would only trust it to people with extensive legal experience- law professors, lawyers, longtime congresscritters or high level political insiders like First Ladies or Secretaries of State. I’m sorry, I know “outsiderism” is in right now, but there is something to be said for high-level government officials having some idea of what they’re doing. Trillions of dollars and millions of lives are at stake. Can’t we recognize competence? ---
**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 10:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4276 "2016-11-01T10:17:48Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > Aside from that, Hillary is a lawyer lifer, and Trump is not. The office of the President is to a very large extent a legal affair, and aside from successful generals I would only trust it to people with extensive legal experience- law professors, lawyers, longtime congresscritters or high level political insiders like First Ladies or Secretaries of State. I’m sorry, I know “outsiderism” is in right now, but there is something to be said for high-level government officials having some idea of what they’re doing. Trillions of dollars and millions of lives are at stake. Can’t we recognize competence? Quoted for truth. ---
**Author:** ![crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@crucible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crucible)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4277 "2016-11-01T11:04:41Z")
Consider what is happening when a Clinton insider says something like “she shouldn’t have done that!”. That insider is predicting that her action, even if completely harmless, will result in outrageous claims of her being a crooked politician. So much of what is happening in this election is the public and press forgiving Trump for his obvious flaws and inadequate preparation to be POTUS because he hasn’t been a Washington insider. Instead, or, to the contrary, they blame HRC for every possible problem that has happened in Washington or around the world over the last 30 years. Complete bullshit. America, as some have already said, need to focus. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4278 "2016-11-01T11:35:04Z")
Law isn’t the only background that can make a successful President. In fact, legal advisors are literally the easiest thing to come by in DC next to political advisors. Presidents need leadership experience more than anything else. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4279 "2016-11-01T12:23:39Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > This one is beyond pathetic. in 1996, Trump pushed his way into a ribbon cutting ceremony for a nursery school for children with AIDS and sat in one of the dais seats reserved for major donors, and he hadn’t donated a cent. > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-boasts-of-his-philanthropy-but-his-giving-falls-short-of-his-words/2016/10/29/b3c03106-9ac7-11e6-a0ed-ab0774c1eaa5\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-boasts-of-his-philanthropy-but-his-giving-falls-short-of-his-words/2016/10/29/b3c03106-9ac7-11e6-a0ed-ab0774c1eaa5_story.html) That man is just clearly defective. If he wasn’t rich, he would have been arrested right there. Has any nice story of him, his generosity , or kindness ever come out? Somebody? Somewhere? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4280 "2016-11-01T12:31:53Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#): > > That man is just clearly defective. If he wasn’t rich, he would have been arrested right there. > > Has any nice story of him, his generosity , or kindness ever come out? Somebody? Somewhere? A true one? Haven’t seen it. There’s one making the rounds about him “rescuing stranded Desert Storm soldiers” (repeated by Sean Hannity) but [it’s almost certainly not true](http://www.snopes.com/trump-tower-air/). ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4281 "2016-11-01T12:45:17Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Law isn’t the only background that can make a successful President. In fact, legal advisors are literally the easiest thing to come by in DC next to political advisors. Presidents need leadership experience more than anything else. What leadership experience does Trump have? He has management experience, but that’s not the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4282 "2016-11-01T12:51:42Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > …Noam Chomsky was going to join them later just to chat about how much it would mean to the academic establishment to get Trump elected. They could certainly bond over sports radio. Meanwhile, Hillary keeps on keepin’ on: [http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/01/politics/hillary-clinton-2016-campaign/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/01/politics/hillary-clinton-2016-campaign/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4283 "2016-11-01T13:37:34Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > What leadership experience does Trump have? He has management experience, but that’s not the same thing. Plus if you have leadership experience one can fairly judge your leadership abilities. Trump’s are not that great. Clinton is a better leader than Trump, but it has nothing to do with her law background. Law grads, even law professors, are a dime a dozen in DC. People who have done real stuff are far rarer. ---
**Author:** ![Maastricht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4284 "2016-11-01T13:42:43Z")
Any truth to this link? Or is it old news, clickbait? ABC journalist investigation shows economic ties of Trump to Russia much larger then Trump has admitted? [http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/10/31/breaking-abc-uncovers-millions-of-payments-from-russia-to-trump-campaign-panics/](http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/10/31/breaking-abc-uncovers-millions-of-payments-from-russia-to-trump-campaign-panics/) Verzonden vanaf mijn iPhone met Tapatalk Pro [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=213) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=215)