# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 218
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4345 "2016-11-01T21:05:07Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I don’t recall that there was a criminal break-in to a server to obtain them. It would seem that the whole returns were not released either… Just the front pages of the state returns that would have been the property of his spouse at the time - Marla. If she wanted to give them to a newspaper anonymously, there is nothing criminal about that. > > Breaking into a server and getting the contents is criminal. Stop supporting criminals. Phishing to get a password, then using the password to hack is a criminal offence. Stop supporting criminals. Find the person, charge them, and put me on the jury, and I’ll vote to convict. In the meantime, don’t expect me to ignore the information that’s now in the public domain. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4346 "2016-11-01T21:09:01Z")
AFAICT no one has “broken into a server”, at least not in the traditional sense that information technology folks understand the term. Several people seem to have duped some ignorant politicians with phishing attacks, something that’s many times easier than breaking into Google’s server farms, or even hacking into Clinton’s bathroom email server. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4347 "2016-11-01T21:20:32Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > AFAICT no one has “broken into a server”, at least not in the traditional sense that information technology folks understand the term. Several people seem to have duped some ignorant politicians with phishing attacks, something that’s many times easier than breaking into Google’s server farms, or even hacking into Clinton’s bathroom email server. Is that really how the term is used by tech types? I would think that any unauthorized access consistutes “breaking in.” Certainly an unforced entry into my house (if someone found a key or had an extra copy of it – like a former owner) I’d call a “break in.” I mean, if you want to be technical, call it “an unauthorized user accessed the account,” but I don’t see how that makes any difference. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4348 "2016-11-01T21:22:41Z")
Still, “bathroom email server” is pretty darn cute. Who says these guys don’t have a sense of humor? ---
**Author:** ![BrianH035](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e5b9ba/32.png) [@BrianH035](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrianH035)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4349 "2016-11-01T21:24:44Z")
I’m starting to wonder if (and it’s a pretty big ‘IF’) the Clinton camp was behind the leak of the Access Hollywood tape, did they fire that salvo a few weeks too early? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4350 "2016-11-01T21:44:04Z")
More than just hacking out the contents of the server, I think what makes most complainers uneasy is that the material was obtained by the Russians. Trump’s Russian connections are more than a little troubling. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4351 "2016-11-01T21:47:48Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Law isn’t the only background that can make a successful President. In fact, legal advisors are literally the easiest thing to come by in DC next to political advisors. Presidents need leadership experience more than anything else. But Trump isn’t interested in advisers, who has all the answers. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4352 "2016-11-01T21:49:11Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > More than just hacking out the contents of the server, I think what makes most complainers uneasy is that the material was obtained by the Russians. Trump’s Russian connections are more than a little troubling. The fact that Russia is a bit of a troubling issue for our foreign policy, and the fact they clearly prefer Trump to win, (\*and \*are willing to break the law to assist him) is probably the biggest reason to oppose his election I don’t mean to make light of his general incompetence and disgusting personality, but the Russia thing seems bigger. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4353 "2016-11-01T21:53:22Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Is that really how the term is used by tech types? I would think that any unauthorized access consistutes “breaking in.” Certainly an unforced entry into my house (if someone found a key or had an extra copy of it – like a former owner) I’d call a “break in.” I mean, if you want to be technical, call it “an unauthorized user accessed the account,” but I don’t see how that makes any difference. It doesn’t make a big difference. It was more of a technical clarification. I’d explain it as the difference between someone reading the mail out of your mailbox vs smashing a window and climbing into your kitchen. If you told someone at my company that someone has “broken into a server”, they’re going to start looking for some sort of exploit used to achieve root-level access of the server, not a user that got phished. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4354 "2016-11-01T21:54:23Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > He also was a vet and a governor. But his time as governor should have tipped people off, because the exact weaknesses he had as governor crippled his Presidency. Iran took hostages from Georgia? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4355 "2016-11-01T22:01:24Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > The fact that Russia is a bit of a troubling issue for our foreign policy, and the fact they clearly prefer Trump to win, (\*and \*are willing to break the law to assist him) is probably the biggest reason to oppose his election I don’t mean to make light of his general incompetence and disgusting personality, but the Russia thing seems bigger. I wonder if me being more worried by Clinton’s no-fly-zone plan for Syria than Trump’s alleged Russian connections makes me unusual just among Dopers or among the wider electorate. I see it as: one has a chance to lead to nuclear Armageddon and the other one has a chance to … I don’t know, lead to us being friendlier with Russia. What’s the concern with Trump and the Russians, exactly? That he’s some sort of Manchurian candidate that would turn over all of our national security secrets to the Russians and leave us vulnerable to a first strike? I mean, for the guys that supported Obama & Clinton, and presumably her Russian “reset” gimmick, wouldn’t friendlier relations with Russia be a good thing? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4356 "2016-11-01T22:03:22Z")
[The FBI continues its efforts to get Trump elected.](https://thinkprogress.org/fbi-tweet-clinton-foundation-4c1b189c5257#.lgmvfrjnj) ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4357 "2016-11-01T22:03:25Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > What’s the concern with Trump and the Russians, exactly? That he’s some sort of Manchurian candidate that would turn over all of our national security secrets to the Russians and leave us vulnerable to a first strike? I mean, for the guys that supported Obama & Clinton, and presumably her Russian “reset” gimmick, wouldn’t friendlier relations with Russia be a good thing? For personal profit, yes. He’d let Russia have its way in Europe and not do a damn thing. That’s worse than any plan Clinton has in the Middle East. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4358 "2016-11-01T22:06:25Z")
[Jill Stein and her VP prefer Trump to Hillary because if Trump is elected, they think it will increase the Green Party’s numbers.](http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/31/1589308/-Yes-the-Green-Party-has-Endorsed-Trump-Over-Clinton?detail=facebook) ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4359 "2016-11-01T22:06:32Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > [The FBI continues its efforts to get Trump elected.](https://thinkprogress.org/fbi-tweet-clinton-foundation-4c1b189c5257#.lgmvfrjnj) _shrug_ I’ll add them to the list of federal agencies I consider compromised by politics. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4360 "2016-11-01T22:18:15Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I don’t seem to recall you complaining when Trump’s tax returns got leaked. If he’d stuck to just one wife, we wouldn’t have had to, would we? > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I don’t recall that there was a criminal break-in to a server to obtain them. It would seem that the whole returns were not released either… Just the front pages of the state returns that would have been the property of his spouse at the time - Marla. If she wanted to give them to a newspaper anonymously, there is nothing criminal about that. > > Breaking into a server and getting the contents is criminal. Stop supporting criminals. Phishing to get a password, then using the password to hack is a criminal offence. Stop supporting criminals. Also, at least Nixon used RNC people as well as former Spooks. There’s just something [about openly calling upon a foreign power to commit criminal activities](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/28/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-clinton-emails.html?_r=0) in a small-fisted attempt to unduly influence and possibly overthrow the government of the United States by hindering a free election… that bothers me. What’s that word I’m thinking of…? No, its not ‘reason’… that’s never been Trump’s strong suit anyway. * * * PS- Also, this would be the SECOND clear violation of The Hatch Act by Comey and his team, right? Like he’s drawing a line in the sand and daring someone to arrest him… ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4361 "2016-11-01T22:19:37Z")
Yes, I think Comey is now shooting at the dirt, but his foot keeps getting in the way. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4362 "2016-11-01T22:20:37Z")
Scott Walker just tweeted, “If you like the last eight years, vote for Hillary Clinton.” Democrats and the Clinton staff are jumping all over it and telling him, “Thank you.” ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4363 "2016-11-01T22:23:34Z")
Well, Walker has spent the last 5 years fucking over his own state, so he is hoping dissatisfaction with his own performance will snatch Wisconsin away from her. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4364 "2016-11-01T22:27:14Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Scott Walker just tweeted, “If you like the last eight years, vote for Hillary Clinton.” Democrats and the Clinton staff are jumping all over it and telling him, “Thank you.” It’s their bubble. They honestly can’t imagine that a lot of people are quite happy with the President we’ve had for the last 8 years. Even some here on the SDMB thing it’s been a “disaster.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=217) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=219)