# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 219
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4365 "2016-11-01T22:29:20Z")
So the official story is that Clinton Foundation-Rich info release was standard procedure when an FOIA request goes through: > [@](#): > > The unusual timing of the release was the result of a Freedom of Information Act request that had been completed and was posted under standard FBI practice, according to a law enforcement official who asked not to be identified discussing internal matters. [http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-11-01/fbi-surprises-with-files-on-bill-clinton-01-pardon-of-marc-rich](http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-11-01/fbi-surprises-with-files-on-bill-clinton-01-pardon-of-marc-rich) Somehow I doubt that will be quickly accepted around here. I guess it’s fairly easily checkable by looking at previous releases connected to FOIA requests. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4366 "2016-11-01T22:43:32Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > So the official story is that Clinton Foundation-Rich info release was standard procedure when an FOIA request goes through: > > [Bloomberg - Are you a robot?](http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-11-01/fbi-surprises-with-files-on-bill-clinton-01-pardon-of-marc-rich) > > Somehow I doubt that will be quickly accepted around here. I guess it’s fairly easily checkable by looking at previous releases connected to FOIA requests. What is it with [bloomberg.com](http://bloomberg.com) bursting Hillary’s bubbles lately? [Here is an explanation of the “Trump server connected to a Russian bank” story Clinton was tweeting about](https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-11-01/clinton-plugs-another-weak-story-about-trump-s-ties-to-putin). ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4367 "2016-11-01T22:50:56Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > What is it with [bloomberg.com](http://bloomberg.com) bursting Hillary’s bubbles lately? [Here is an explanation of the “Trump server connected to a Russian bank” story Clinton was tweeting about](https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-11-01/clinton-plugs-another-weak-story-about-trump-s-ties-to-putin). I judge all of these sites by the comments they keep. This one is surprisingly odious. Good luck getting the truth out of it. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4368 "2016-11-01T22:54:33Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > So the official story is that Clinton Foundation-Rich info release was standard procedure when an FOIA request goes through: > > [Bloomberg - Are you a robot?](http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-11-01/fbi-surprises-with-files-on-bill-clinton-01-pardon-of-marc-rich) > > Somehow I doubt that will be quickly accepted around here. I guess it’s fairly easily checkable by looking at previous releases connected to FOIA requests. That particular FBI account has been silent for months. Have there been no FOIA requests in that time period? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4369 "2016-11-01T23:00:14Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > That particular FBI account has been silent for months. Have there been no FOIA requests in that time period? You tell me. Am I supposed to do all the work around here? Though I will note that my link included: > [@](#): > > In fact, on Oct. 7 the FBI posted eight pages of documents relating to Trump’s father, Fred. That file included a March 28, 1966 memo to then-FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover requesting a check be issued to Fred Trump, “whose deposition is being taken March 31 in connection with a tax case.” ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4370 "2016-11-01T23:15:00Z")
Apparently the article I read about that twitter account having been silent isn’t correct. I just went and checked on my own and they’ve been tweeting released information all along. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4371 "2016-11-01T23:16:29Z")
> [@Count\_Blucher](#): > > If he’d stuck to just one wife, we wouldn’t have had to, would we? > > Also, at least Nixon used RNC people as well as former Spooks. > There’s just something [about openly calling upon a foreign power to commit criminal activities](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/28/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-clinton-emails.html?_r=0) in a small-fisted attempt to unduly influence and possibly overthrow the government of the United States by hindering a free election… that bothers me. > What’s that word I’m thinking of…? No, its not ‘reason’… that’s never been Trump’s strong suit anyway. > > * * * > > PS- Also, this would be the SECOND clear violation of The Hatch Act by Comey and his team, right? Like he’s drawing a line in the sand and daring someone to arrest him… > **[Campaign 2016 updates: Trump used 'legally dubious' maneuver to avoid...](https://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-10312016-htmlstory.html#obama-backs-the-fbi-director-but-not-necessarily-his-decision-to-go-public-about-the-newfound-emails)** > > Donald Trump campaigns in Michigan on Monday. Hillary Clinton heads to the battleground state of Ohio after a weekend of new email controversies. Donald Trump used a “legally dubious” accounting maneuver to avoid reporting hundreds of millions of... The president disagrees. Are you saying President Obama is wrong or dishonest? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4372 "2016-11-01T23:29:05Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > You tell me. Am I supposed to do all the work around here? Though I will note that my link included: > > > [@](#): > > > > In fact, on Oct. 7 the FBI posted eight pages of documents relating to Trump’s father, Fred. That file included a March 28, 1966 memo to then-FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover requesting a check be issued to Fred Trump, “whose deposition is being taken March 31 in connection with a tax case.” Heh. [One little word](In fact, on Oct. 7 the FBI posted eight pages of documents relating to Trump’s father, Fred. That file included a March 28, 1966 memo to then-FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover requesting a check be issued to Fred Trump, “whose deposition is being taken March 31 in connection with a tax case.”) is all it takes to completely change what something means. “… _check issued [del]to[/del] **on** Fred Trump_ …” ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4373 "2016-11-01T23:33:35Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > [http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-president-obama-backs-comey-but-not-1477939195-htmlstory.html](http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-president-obama-backs-comey-but-not-1477939195-htmlstory.html) > > The president disagrees. Are you saying President Obama is wrong or dishonest? Loaded question. Given your anti-Left bend, though, forgivable. How about just reached a different conclusion? Why does either choice have to denigrate Obama? ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4374 "2016-11-01T23:34:37Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I wonder if me being more worried by Clinton’s no-fly-zone plan for Syria than Trump’s alleged Russian connections makes me unusual just among Dopers or among the wider electorate. I see it as: one has a chance to lead to nuclear Armageddon and the other one has a chance to … I don’t know, lead to us being friendlier with Russia. > > What’s the concern with Trump and the Russians, exactly? That he’s some sort of Manchurian candidate that would turn over all of our national security secrets to the Russians and leave us vulnerable to a first strike? I mean, for the guys that supported Obama & Clinton, and presumably her Russian “reset” gimmick, wouldn’t friendlier relations with Russia be a good thing? I believe the concern is that Trump the Chump is being played by Putin and doesn’t even realize it. His attempt to make himself look good to Putin is an outgrowth of his own narcissism and has nothing to do with making America safer. It’s where he’s vulnerable, because of his own vanity. That’s why he got so upset when Hillary called him Putin’s puppet. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4375 "2016-11-01T23:46:53Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Scott Walker just tweeted, “If you like the last eight years, vote for Hillary Clinton.” Democrats and the Clinton staff are jumping all over it and telling him, “Thank you.” Remember in the modern world, Ds speak only to Ds and Rs speak only to Rs. So Walker is speaking only to Rs and only Rs are hearing him. And they loathe everything that’s happened in the last 8 years. So the message will resonate just fine with his audience. He’s just echoing the same message as lots of Trump ads: change=Trump; biz as usual = Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2016, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4376 "2016-11-01T23:52:44Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > …That’s why he got so upset when Hillary called him Putin’s puppet… Probably because he thinks Putin is _his_ puppet. Or the Donald that knows Putin thinks so, it would be silly for the Donald who has never met him to think that. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4377 "2016-11-02T00:12:14Z")
“YOU’RE the puppet.” ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4378 "2016-11-02T00:48:38Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > “YOU’RE the puppet.” That was the most embarrassing bit of political theater I ever saw, and I went to anti-Vietnam-War protests and witnessed Guerrilla Theater first hand. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4379 "2016-11-02T01:01:04Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Loaded question. Given your anti-Left bend, though, forgivable. How about just reached a different conclusion? Why does either choice have to denigrate Obama? There is a third option. That is Obama is right and others are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4380 "2016-11-02T01:09:25Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Why does either choice have to denigrate Obama? Hey, you’re the one with all the inkblots of Obama destroying democracy. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4381 "2016-11-02T02:09:31Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > That was the most embarrassing bit of political theater I ever saw, and I went to anti-Vietnam-War protests and witnessed Guerrilla Theater first hand. Did you see the roadshow version on tour, _Guerilla My Dreams_? I paid twenty dollars in advance to ensure I wouldn’t have to see it. Didn’t think they could _really_ make me watch, but wasn’t willing to take the chance… ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4382 "2016-11-02T02:19:54Z")
Great new polling data out. Of registered Republicans who voted early in Florida, 26% voted for Hillary. Of registered Democrats who voted early in Florida, 6% voted for Trump. Projection of final FL vote: 48% Hillary, 40% Trump. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4383 "2016-11-02T02:23:45Z")
Cite? Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2016, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4384 "2016-11-02T02:24:54Z")
Final days I’d love to see Clinton pressing the case for her positive vision. Let the surrogates to continue to say why not Trump, she needs to demonstrate her ability to unify behind a path towards an even better future. Watching the Cubs-Indian games the analogy that comes to mind is that such is her closer. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=218) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=220)