# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 228
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4545 "2016-11-03T20:37:56Z")
Remember the other day when I said the FBIRecordsVault Twitter account, had dumped the Bill Clinton/Mark Rich story after having been silent for over a year? But then I retracted that, because I looked at their history and it HAD been tweeting. HOWEVER, looking further, it turns out that before a sudden outburst on October 30, followed by the Clinton records dump on November 1 and silence since then, it turns out that prior to the October 30 tweets, it HAD been silent since October 8, 2015. And what was the first thing that was dumped on October 30? “[Fred C. Trump was a philanthropist](https://twitter.com/FBIRecordsVault/status/792637173937807360)”. [And now the FBI is doing an internal investigation of its own Twitter account.](https://thinkprogress.org/fbi-launches-internal-investigation-into-its-own-twitter-account-8d5fc2a81fdc#.1l0wk76oh) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4546 "2016-11-03T20:40:24Z")
> [@Tzigone](#): > > Noticed you didn’t bold the part where he said she was “not likely to be convicted of a crime.” I did quote the entire part. Nothing hidden. And why would that stop the impeachment? They can make up anything they want. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4547 "2016-11-03T20:44:27Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > 538 has Nevada, Arizona, Iowa, Ohio, North Carolina and Florida all pink. In some cases the “pink” means a 51% chance of winning. If those states are coin flips, Trump has to win all of them. That’s a lotta coin flips. _And he could win them all and still lose_: > **[270toWin - 2024 Presidential Election Interactive Map](https://www.270towin.com/maps/243e9)** > > Create your own forecast for the 2024 presidential election ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4548 "2016-11-03T20:45:04Z")
I’ve now seen this story reported from two sources. [The FBI is full of anti-Hillary sentiment.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/03/fbi-leaks-hillary-clinton-james-comey-donald-trump) ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4549 "2016-11-03T20:51:55Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > And what was the first thing that was dumped on October 30? “[Fred C. Trump was a philanthropist](https://twitter.com/FBIRecordsVault/status/792637173937807360)” That’s a rather improper recount. It actually said “Fred C. Trump (1905-1999) was a real estate developer and philanthropist.” which is almost exactly the opening of his wikipedia page. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4550 "2016-11-03T20:56:15Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > That’s a rather improper recount. It actually said “Fred C. Trump (1905-1999) was a real estate developer and philanthropist.” which is almost exactly the opening of his wikipedia page. And how is this a concern of the FBI after over a year of silence? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4551 "2016-11-03T20:57:32Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I haven’t seen anything that says early voting is predictive. > [538: Don’t read too much into early voting](http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dont-read-too-much-into-early-voting/) > > [RCP: Early Voting a Poor Predictor of Final Results](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/11/02/early_voting_a_poor_predictor_of_final_results.html) I counter your 538 cite with one of my own! [Americans love early voting and it might help Clinton](http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-love-early-voting-and-it-might-help-clinton/) ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4552 "2016-11-03T21:03:36Z")
A federal judge has said that NC is engaging in “Insane Jim Crow–Style Voter Suppression”. > **[North Carolina Is Engaging in “Insane” Jim Crow–Style Voter Suppression, Says...](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/11/federal-judge-slams-north-carolina-voter-purge.html)** > > U.S. District Judge Loretta Biggs slammed an ongoing North Carolinian voter purge during a dramatic Wednesday hearing, telling county attorneys that... > [@](#): > > U.S. District Judge Loretta Biggs slammed an ongoing North Carolinian voter purge during a dramatic Wednesday hearing, telling county attorneys that she was “horrified” by the “insane” process by which voters could be removed from the rolls without their knowledge. > … > In several North Carolina counties, Republican activists have used this process to revoke thousands of people’s voting rights at once, a majority of them minorities. But as the Justice Department noted in supporting the NAACP’s lawsuit, this process is illegal under federal law, which trumps state law when the two clash. Biggs indicated that she would halt the purges and restore purged voters’ rights under federal law but did not issue a ruling from the bench. Her decision is likely to come within the next few days. It sounds like they’re using the old [voter caging](http://www.projectvote.org/issues/list-maintenance/voter-caging/) trick aimed at minority neighborhoods. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4553 "2016-11-03T21:04:17Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > And how is this a concern of the FBI after over a year of silence? So not a drop of contrition for misrepresenting the tweet? Ok then. The official response is: > [@](#): > > In a statement, the FBI said the release of the documents was a routine release of material that had been requested three or more times under FOIA. After the third time, the FBI said, that information is automatically made available to the public online on a “first in, first out basis.” > > “By law, FOIA materials that have been requested three or more times are posted electronically to the FBI’s public reading room shortly after they are processed,” the statement read. “Per the standard procedure for FOIA, these materials became available for release and were posted automatically and electronically to the FBI’s public reading room.” > > Jason Leopold, a Vice News reporter who is well versed in FOIA requests and FBI procedure for releasing classified information, wrote on Twitter that the tweets are neither “news nor scandalous. The [account] is the FOIA reading room tweeting whenever there’s a new posting.” > **[A mostly dormant FBI Twitter account suddenly started releasing information...](https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-twitter-account-trump-clinton-2016-11)** > > A mostly dormant Twitter account operated by the FBI has in recent days started releasing files related to Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4554 "2016-11-03T21:05:57Z")
Both arguments are sort of right on early voting. In states where early voting is a minority of the voting (which is most states which have early voting), it isn’t super predictive. The people who vote early tend to be the ones who are never swing voters and usually the ones who are the most politically engaged. These voters aren’t representative of the broad electorate. But when a majority of the state votes early like in Washington and Oregon where almost everyone votes by mail before election day, or in Nevada where early voting is now up to like 60% of the populace, then early voting is predictive simply because _when a large portion of the votes are early votes, they represent a broad swathe of the populace and are thus more or less representative_. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4555 "2016-11-03T21:08:31Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > I’ve now seen this story reported from two sources. > > [The FBI is full of anti-Hillary sentiment.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/03/fbi-leaks-hillary-clinton-james-comey-donald-trump) Not very shocking that a law enforcement agency isn’t exactly HRC’s biggest fan. I suspect most LEO’s are on Team Trump (and most military members). ---
**Author:** ![ThisIsTheEnd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thisistheend/32/4713_2.png) [@ThisIsTheEnd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisIsTheEnd)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4556 "2016-11-03T21:16:40Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Not very shocking that a law enforcement agency isn’t exactly HRC’s biggest fan. I suspect most LEO’s are on Team Trump (and most military members). You left out No homo. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4557 "2016-11-03T21:22:37Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I counter your 538 cite with one of my own! > > [Americans love early voting and it might help Clinton](http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-love-early-voting-and-it-might-help-clinton/) From your article: > [@](#): > > Early voting may have a slight potential to affect the outcome of this election, but experts say its predictive value is not particularly high. May have a slight potential. What a bold stance. But the article mostly agrees with me in that “experts say its predictive value is not particularly high”. > [@](#): > > Burden and McDonald agreed that the majority of people who cast their ballots early would have participated in the election anyway and likely would not have changed their minds if they’d waited until Election Day, so the timing of their votes probably won’t change the outcome. Frankly, with the way Dems are hammering on early voting they better be getting more of it. Not a bit of this supports iiandyiii’s confidence in a Nevada win based on early voting. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4558 "2016-11-03T21:24:55Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > Both arguments are sort of right on early voting. In states where early voting is a minority of the voting (which is most states which have early voting), it isn’t super predictive. The people who vote early tend to be the ones who are never swing voters and usually the ones who are the most politically engaged. These voters aren’t representative of the broad electorate. But when a majority of the state votes early like in Washington and Oregon where almost everyone votes by mail before election day, or in Nevada where early voting is now up to like 60% of the populace, then early voting is predictive simply because _when a large portion of the votes are early votes, they represent a broad swathe of the populace and are thus more or less representative_. But you have a much harder time analyzing the voting in those states: the clerk’s offices either do not pre-count, or, if they do, they do not reveal the numbers. Adding to that, in the states where there is early voting, what we are hearing are exit polls, which you really cannot do when the voters are not converging on polling sites. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4559 "2016-11-03T21:36:19Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > But you have a much harder time analyzing the voting in those states: the clerk’s offices either do not pre-count, or, if they do, they do not reveal the numbers. Adding to that, in the states where there is early voting, what we are hearing are exit polls, which you really cannot do when the voters are not converging on polling sites. Though in Nevada, apparently, the state releases the party affiliation of the registered voters. That’s how they’ve been able to determine who has been casting ballots, assuming the Democrats are voting Clinton and the Republicans voting Trump. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4560 "2016-11-03T21:44:49Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > I’ve now seen this story reported from two sources. > > [The FBI is full of anti-Hillary sentiment.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/03/fbi-leaks-hillary-clinton-james-comey-donald-trump) Repeat from another thread: > [@](#): > > [Employees of the Department of Justice, which investigated Clinton’s use of a private email server while she was secretary of State, gave Clinton 97 percent of their donations.](http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/302817-government-workers-shun-trump-give-big-money-to-clinton-campaign) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4561 "2016-11-03T21:47:38Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Though in Nevada, apparently, the state releases the party affiliation of the registered voters. That’s how they’ve been able to determine who has been casting ballots, assuming the Democrats are voting Clinton and the Republicans voting Trump. My state has mail-in voting _and_ top-2 primaries, so party affiliation data would be extremely hard to harvest. ---
**Author:** ![RadioWave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/91b2a8/32.png) [@RadioWave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RadioWave)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4562 "2016-11-03T22:56:53Z")
Is it just me or has one of the old standards been missing from this year’s rotation (“Hillary Clinton is _ **THE MOST** _ liberal candidate _ **EVER** _!”) I remember this from the Gore, Kerry and Obama years but haven’t heard them try it this time. I kind of miss it. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4563 "2016-11-03T23:00:10Z")
> [@RadioWave](#): > > Is it just me or has one of the old standards been missing from this year’s rotation (“Hillary Clinton is _ **THE MOST** _ liberal candidate _ **EVER** _!”) I remember this from the Gore, Kerry and Obama years but haven’t heard them try it this time. I kind of miss it. No, that’s the 1990s version of Clinton. The 2016 version is that she’s just a fucking whore. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4564 "2016-11-03T23:05:40Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > No, that’s the 1990s version of Clinton. > > The 2016 version is that she’s just a fucking whore. I believe Donald’s “Such a nasty woman” comment will greatly remembered. It pretty much summarizes the case many have against her. They don’t like her. An aggressive, assertive, strong-fighting woman like that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=227) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=229)