# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 229
**Author:** ![skdo23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@skdo23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skdo23)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4565 "2016-11-03T23:06:12Z")
> [@skdo23](#): > > Let me introduce you to your new best friend, [Sam Wang](http://election.princeton.edu/). It just occurred to me that I’ve probably used the terms _Weiner_ and _Wang_ more times in the past week than in my entire adolescence. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4566 "2016-11-03T23:20:58Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I believe Donald’s “Such a nasty woman” comment will greatly remembered. It pretty much summarizes the case many have against her. They don’t like her. An aggressive, assertive, strong-fighting woman like that. I bought a ‘‘nasty woman’’ t-shirt with her riding a shark and she’s playing a guitar while a bald eagle flies overhead. [It’s pretty epic.](https://teespring.com/nasty-dark#pid=370&cid=6532&sid=front) All proceeds to Planned Parenthood, because fuck the haters, that’s why. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2016, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4567 "2016-11-03T23:24:09Z")
> [@furt](#): > > Quote: > Originally Posted by Rick Kitchen View Post > I’ve now seen this story reported from two sources. > > The FBI is full of anti-Hillary sentiment. > > Repeat from another thread: > Quote: > Employees of the Department of Justice, which investigated Clinton’s use of a private email server while she was secretary of State, gave Clinton 97 percent of their donations. They could both be right. There are some 13,000 FBI Agents, and they probably tend toward people with a mindset of super-patriotism and punishing criminals, both of which have long been characterized by right-wing radio and Fox News as things Republicans are for and Dems are against. There are some 113,000 DOJ employees, which includes the FBI, but also likely includes many people who want to ensure minority rights are preserved, which would make them more likely to be liberals. Also, the worst FBI anti-Hillary sentiment could just be among the top brass, but that’s all you need to ensure the leaks we’ve seen. ---
**Author:** ![skdo23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@skdo23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skdo23)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4568 "2016-11-04T00:11:35Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I bought a ‘‘nasty woman’’ t-shirt with her riding a shark and she’s playing a guitar while a bald eagle flies overhead. [It’s pretty epic.](https://teespring.com/nasty-dark#pid=370&cid=6532&sid=front) > > All proceeds to Planned Parenthood, because fuck the haters, that’s why. Og bless you, and stay nasty! ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4569 "2016-11-04T00:28:15Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > No, I never meant to suggest that they weren’t (aren’t) authentic – they absolutely are authentic, or the targets would have pushed back harder by now, which they haven’t. > > What I’m saying is that there might be a manufactured bombshell by Stone, Bannon, et al. – similar to the allegations that Ted Cruz’s father had something to do with JFK’s assassination. Later discredited but insult to injury sufficiently added with little time to swing back. As I predicted, it looks like we have an attempt at a manufactured email scandal: [http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-documents-idUSKBN12Y2WY](http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-documents-idUSKBN12Y2WY) Okay so it’s not from Stone and Bannon, but it might as well be given how closely they seem to be working with Russia and Wikileaks. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4570 "2016-11-04T00:36:34Z")
In lighter news, [Putin grants action star Steven Seagal Russian citizenship.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-grants-action-star-steven-seagal-russian-citizenship-101618186.html) ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4571 "2016-11-04T00:44:20Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I believe Donald’s “Such a nasty woman” comment will greatly remembered. It pretty much summarizes the case many have against her. They don’t like her. An aggressive, assertive, strong-fighting woman like that. God, I love a good through-line. What’s a through-line? I dunno, what’s a through-line with you? No, seriously: A through-line is a common theme you can use to build a narrative around. In music, it’s a motif; in a painting, it’s a more literal line, an arrangement of objects used to draw the eye in a specific direction. In a written medium, it’s something that just keeps happening, a theme with variations, so the audience can hold onto a common thread as the story moves along. Here, the through-line is “A forced conflict between two generation-gapped sides where the older side is utterly offended beyond words at something the younger side takes as a matter of course.” **Example 1** : “That person is gay! They’re just gay right out in front of God and everyone, and now they can get married!” “So?” “But they’re gay! They’re gay and they’re married!” “You either need more drugs or fewer.” **Example 2** : “I can’t tell if that person went into the right bathroom, so now I’m going to be very angry in public.” “Unless that bathroom was a broom closet, they went into the right one. What the fuck do you care, anyway?” “They might be a creep!” “The only creep here is the one obsessing over which bathroom a total stranger went into.” **Example 3** : “That woman is being assertive. And aggressive. And all leader-ish. She’s being a leader, right out in public.” “She’s a politician. She’s running for President.” “But she talked down to a man! On television!” “The man is a sexual predator with the policy knowledge of a gibbon. She called him out on a few of his lies in between his tantrums.” “She isn’t being very feminine. She’s nasty.” “Jesus Christ, Frank, get it together.” ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4572 "2016-11-04T00:59:45Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > In lighter news, [Putin grants action star Steven Seagal Russian citizenship.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-grants-action-star-steven-seagal-russian-citizenship-101618186.html) With is it with faux tough guys and Putin? The guy was a high ranking KGB officer. Now he’s President of a country we have very uneasy relations with, and who currently seems to be intent on fucking with our elections. Why would an American be so buddy-buddy with him? ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4573 "2016-11-04T01:43:35Z")
Entertaining and well worded post, Derleth. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4574 "2016-11-04T01:46:55Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > Yeah, we can sure trust these 24-hour news channels to downplay controversy and unlikely possibilities in the interest of objective truth. Otherwise, if they spent all their time pandering to everyone’s worst fears and fondest hopes, people would watch them more and their revenue and profits would go up. We know they don’t want that. > > Really, people talk about Citizens United, but I’m not sure that 24-hour news channels aren’t as big a threat to democracy. And no, I don’t have a solution, except for myself not to watch. Someone gets it. And there is no solution. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4575 "2016-11-04T01:48:16Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > With is it with faux tough guys and Putin? > > The guy was a high ranking KGB officer. Now he’s President of a country we have very uneasy relations with, and who currently seems to be intent on fucking with our elections. Why would an American be so buddy-buddy with him? Because Steven Segal is all about his own ego and receiving recognition and acclaim. He’s a narcissist who dabbles in the high end narcissist market. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4576 "2016-11-04T01:50:51Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > With is it with faux tough guys and Putin? > > The guy was a high ranking KGB officer. Now he’s President of a country we have very uneasy relations with, and who currently seems to be intent on fucking with our elections. Why would an American be so buddy-buddy with him? Because Trump has demonstrated that fake tough guys get votes. Unfortunately for Putin, he didn’t vet the rest of Trump’s history adequately through the eyes of 2016 Americans and his chosen candidate will lose this election for behavior that Trump and Putin both think are normal human behavior. Putin’s gotta be pissed. So he needs to recruit a fresh fake tough guy to run on Putin’s behalf in 2020. Seagal is his choice _du jour_. We’ll see if Seagal rises to take the offer. I’d bet it’s the kind of offer (ref Don Corleone) that one doesn’t refuse. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4577 "2016-11-04T01:51:28Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > They could both be right. There are some 13,000 FBI Agents, and they probably tend toward people with a mindset of super-patriotism and punishing criminals, both of which have long been characterized by right-wing radio and Fox News as things Republicans are for and Dems are against. > > There are some 113,000 DOJ employees, which includes the FBI, but also likely includes many people who want to ensure minority rights are preserved, which would make them more likely to be liberals. > > Also, the worst FBI anti-Hillary sentiment could just be among the top brass, but that’s all you need to ensure the leaks we’ve seen. That’s a lot of government workers. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4578 "2016-11-04T01:55:13Z")
I will have to say that I like this comment at the Reddit Clinton sub: “This will always be remembered as the presidential election in which the KKK, the KGB and the FBI all supported the same candidate.” - Victor Laszlo on Twitter. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4579 "2016-11-04T03:02:34Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > I will have to say that I like this comment at the Reddit Clinton sub: > > “This will always be remembered as the presidential election in which the KKK, the KGB and the FBI all supported the same candidate.” - Victor Laszlo on Twitter. 🙂 Hey, at least Trump can claim to be a unifier. > [@JKellyMap](#): > > Entertaining and well worded post, Derleth. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4580 "2016-11-04T03:32:32Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Wang’s saying 100%. Silver’s saying 66%. Lizner’s saying 92%. I’m starting to prefer looking at predictions for electoral votes instead of percentages of winning. Silver(538) currently has Clinton probably finishing at 294 but with a very wide possible range including her going under 270 and Trump winning. Wang (Princeton Election Consortium) currently has Clinton probably finishing in a range roughly from 300-325 and no chance of Trump winning. I think Silver’s model is saying there is so much uncertainty that anything can happen. Because of this, his prediction will be right no matter who wins. Wang’s model is bolder because it is making a clear call. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4581 "2016-11-04T03:35:39Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > “This will always be remembered as the presidential election in which the KKK, the KGB and the FBI all supported the same candidate.” - Victor Laszlo on Twitter. One could almost call it a vast right wing conspiracy. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4582 "2016-11-04T03:57:38Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > …Frankly, with the way Dems are hammering on early voting they better be getting more of it… I’ve volunteered for Hillary several times here in Ohio, both phonebanking and canvassing, and the campaign has been _very_ encouraging, even pushy, about early voting by supporters. Here’s Seth Meyers, hilariously comparing the relative scandals of Hillary and Trump. The last two minutes are the best: [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/03/opinion/5-reasons-to-vote-trump.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/03/opinion/5-reasons-to-vote-trump.html) ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4583 "2016-11-04T04:13:59Z")
In her odd speech today, Melania plagiarized Marla Maples: “if you could dream it, you could become it” 🙂 > **[Melania Trump leaves the media scratching its head — again](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/03/melania-trump-leaves-the-media-scratching-its-head-again/)** > > A rare appearance by the would-be first lady had reporters asking questions, like this one: 'Have you met Donald Trump?' ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4584 "2016-11-04T04:26:29Z")
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