# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/441 "2016-10-07T03:32:47Z")
Republican Rick Scott has refused to extend Florida’s voter registration deadline - > **[Rick Scott Refuses To Extend Florida's Voter Registration Due To Hurricane](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rick-scott-voter-registration-deadline-hurricane_n_57f6e4b6e4b0e655eab3468f?section=)** > > "Everybody's had a lot of time to register." South Carolina, otoh, has extended it’s deadlines slightly for online, mail and faxed registrations: [http://www.scvotes.org/](http://www.scvotes.org/) > [@](#): > > The following deadlines apply to all South Carolina voters: > > Registration by Mail: Any voter registration by mail application that is postmarked Tuesday, October 11 will be accepted. > > Online Voter Registration: Any online voter registration application submitted by Sunday, October 9 will be accepted (application must be submitted by 11:59 p.m., October 9). > > Applications submitted by fax or email: Any faxed or emailed application received by county voter registration offices by Sunday, October 9 will be accepted (application must be received by 11:59 p.m., October 9). > > In-person applications at county voter registration offices: Voters must register in person no later than Saturday, October 8. NOTE: Due to Hurricane Matthew, some county voter registration offices are closed through Saturday. Don’t forget - Monday the 10th is a national holiday and the Post Office is closed. In other news, Taco Trucks across the Southwest are offering voter registration, including having deputy registrars standing by. > **[Taco Trucks Are Actually Registering Citizens to Vote in Texas and Arizona](https://remezcla.com/lists/culture/taco-trucks-voter-registration-texas-arizona/)** > > When the US Hispanic Chamber of Commerce encouraged taco trucks to become voter registration centers, cities across the country followed suit. > [@A Taco Voter on Every Corner](#): > > So when USHCC’s #GuacTheVote initiative began, Audrey Maker and Tamale House East’s part owner Jose Valera teamed up to increase voter registration numbers in Texas’ Travis County. Focusing on areas with high concentrations of Latinos as well as a lot of foot traffic, at least two trucks will sell food as they typically do. But they’ll also have a Spanish speaker and a trained deputy registrar to make it easy for people to register. > > “As a business owner, I want to stay apolitical,” Valera told the Statesman. “But this is not a partisan push – this is a voter registration push, and something we’d like to turn into a voter turnout push. It’ll be a success if we get 50 new voters.” Valera recruited two taco trucks as of last week, but he hopes to end up with at least five. Cool beans - but deadlines are approaching fast, everyone! Make sure your registrations are all in order at your county Board of Election websites. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/442 "2016-10-07T03:35:57Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > In other news, Taco Trucks across the Southwest are offering voter registration, including having deputy registrars standing by. > > [http://remezcla.com/lists/culture/taco-trucks-voter-registration-texas-arizona/](http://remezcla.com/lists/culture/taco-trucks-voter-registration-texas-arizona/) That explains why Trump was afraid of Taco Trucks. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/443 "2016-10-07T05:13:56Z")
Down, down, down !!! 538 nowcast shows Trump at 12.8% !!! There is no way to spin this, surely Trump and his advisers know they are in deep deep trouble now. The next debate should seal the deal. Trump cannot prepare, even if he wants to, he can’t focus for long enough, he can’t help himself, he will lash out and then get in another stupid twitter rant. Bring on the Taco Trucks! ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/444 "2016-10-07T05:58:01Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I heard that Trump was having a town hall tonight, so I tuned in to CNN. They started with it and all he did was read off a bunch of polls that show him ahead (in VA and PA, no less!) and finally CNN left it. Somehow I don’t think crushing softballs off of a tee in front of your adoring fans is going to be good prep. I watched the rest online, and he got baited into ranting about people who slighted him _several_ times. Nate Silver, John Harwood, John King from CNN, and maybe more. And you know Hillary is going to drop a new name in front of him on Sunday. (If she even needs a new one. He’d probably voluntarily spend another week talking about Miss Universe 1996.) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/445 "2016-10-07T05:58:17Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > So that got me to wondering: what if the hurricane hits Palm Beach and obliterates Mr. Trump’s Mar-A-Lago? How might that affect the [del]campaigns[/del]election? I saw on the news tonight that it’s made out of steel and cement and has three foot thick walls. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/446 "2016-10-07T06:54:51Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > When the International Civil Rights Center and Museum in Greensboro, NC denied Trump the right to close down the museum for a 5-hour photo op, [his supporters threatened to burn it down and shoot the place up](http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article105924857.html). I would ask if they even know what Civil Rights means, but I already know the answer :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/447 "2016-10-07T07:47:51Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > I saw on the news tonight that it’s made out of steel and cement and has three foot thick walls. American steel or Ginese steel? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/448 "2016-10-07T08:50:15Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > The next debate should seal the deal. Trump cannot prepare, even if he wants to, he can’t focus for long enough, he can’t help himself, he will lash out and then get in another stupid twitter rant. That’s about what I expect. Trump is incapable of learning from his mistakes, because he isn’t capable of believing that he’s ever _made_ a mistake. Whenever he doesn’t get what he wants, it’s someone else’s fault - the microphone was broken, the moderator was biased, he had too much respect for Chelsea, etc. Anywho, tonight at work I was opening the receiving dock for a truck that had pulled in with a delivery, and I discovered that someone had used their finger to write “VOTE 4 TRUMP” in the dust on its back door. I did the only thing I could think of to do, erased the T in “TRUMP”, and left the rest of the message intact. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/449 "2016-10-07T10:11:49Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > That’s about what I expect. Trump is incapable of learning from his mistakes, because he isn’t capable of believing that he’s ever _made_ a mistake. Whenever he doesn’t get what he wants, it’s someone else’s fault - the microphone was broken, the moderator was biased, he had too much respect for Chelsea, etc. > > Anywho, tonight at work I was opening the receiving dock for a truck that had pulled in with a delivery, and I discovered that someone had used their finger to write “VOTE 4 TRUMP” in the dust on its back door. I did the only thing I could think of to do, erased the T in “TRUMP”, and left the rest of the message intact. Moreover, Donald Trump doesn’t do things that Donald Trump doesn’t want to do. He either gets other people to do them - qualified or not - and often the work just doesn’t get done. He enjoys self-promotion; he doesn’t enjoy running a business – that’s for other people that he ends up stiffing or badmouthing when the bill is due. He enjoys talking to large crowds in front of a camera. He loves hearing the sound of his own voice. He detests the hard work that goes into preparing for a debate. He doesn’t enjoy politicking. He’s been fortunate in that he’s had a large number of people who are angry at the system and will vote for someone – anyone – to give the finger to a status quo that is seen to be not delivering on its promises. ---
**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/450 "2016-10-07T10:14:31Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Anywho, tonight at work I was opening the receiving dock for a truck that had pulled in with a delivery, and I discovered that someone had used their finger to write “VOTE 4 TRUMP” in the dust on its back door. I did the only thing I could think of to do, erased the T in “TRUMP”, and left the rest of the message intact. You should’ve erased the P too. “VOTE 4 RUM” is a sentiment that everyone can support. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/451 "2016-10-07T10:28:29Z")
> [@Catamount](#): > > You should’ve erased the P too. “VOTE 4 RUM” is a sentiment that everyone can support. 😃 You mean you’re not voting for Rump? ---
**Author:** ![Alley\_Dweller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alley_dweller/32/430_2.png) [@Alley\_Dweller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alley_Dweller)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/452 "2016-10-07T11:05:40Z")
> [@Catamount](#): > > You should’ve erased the P too. “VOTE 4 RUM” is a sentiment that everyone can support. 😃 Argh matey! Be it talk like a pirate day? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/453 "2016-10-07T11:16:30Z")
It basically means implementing a radical fiscal agenda that would take the country back to the 1920s. > **[Ryan plans to steamroll Democrats with budget tool](https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/paul-ryan-budget-congress-229216)** > > While GOP leaders have made threats in the past to use reconciliation to repeal Obamacare, Ryan is making it clear he plans to use it when it counts. The problem I envision is that it would not stop there. If Trump were to get elected, it would give all sorts of fringe elements, from Ron Paul’s bark-at-the-moon gold standard and end-the-Fed cult to Ted Cruz’s calls to abolish the IRS. It sounds like crazy speech on late night AM radio or the far right campaign trail, but it would become a reality in a Trump world. This would take us back to an economy that existed in the late 1800s. A related problem is that this form of economic liberty inevitable competes with and at times overtakes other notions of liberty and natural rights – many of which we take for granted. Extreme forms of neo-classical and neo-liberal economics value freedom of corporations (capitalist freedom) over basic human dignity. The result is a return of a type of quasi-slavery. This is not as far-fetched as it might seem. In short, we are a 5-7 percentage point swing nationally from taking the United States and turning it into a complete shit hole. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/454 "2016-10-07T11:25:15Z")
Just a follow-up thought – what Ryan and Cruz’s endorsements mean is that anyone who thought the party would divide now is proven wrong. The right wing is united because they think they can gain something from unity, namely implementing a heartless right wing economic agenda. They’re not united on racism – yet. But they will be before long. The Republican party is now uniting under the alt-right banner. It’s the party of Reagan, Bush, and Eisenhower no more. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/455 "2016-10-07T11:35:24Z")
Trump says 70 percent of federal regulations [could be repealed](http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-regulations-idUSKCN12629R): > [@](#): > > “We are cutting the regulation at a tremendous clip. I would say 70 percent of regulations can go,” Trump said. “It’s just stopping businesses from growing.” ---
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/456 "2016-10-07T11:47:38Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Well, they must be wrong–because he has the best “brian” ever! It’s all lies. He ne-VA-AH told those people how to pronounce their state’s name. Actual video of this gaff–it’s a liberal fabrication edited by Stanley Kubrick! Bad mic. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/457 "2016-10-07T11:52:13Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > It basically means implementing a radical fiscal agenda that would take the country back to the 1920s. It would also mean taking our immigration laws back to the 1920s: > [@Donald Trump's 2016 General Election Campaign](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/donald-trumps-2016-general-election-campaign/753901/5625): > > [Trump’s learned how to dog-whistle, and he’s whistling right to the White Nationalists](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-schmeltzer/trump-makes-white-nationa_b_11814808.html): > > > [@Donald Trump](#): > > > > We’ve admitted 59 million immigrants to the United States between 1965 and 2015. Many of these arrivals have greatly enriched our country. So true. But we now have an obligation to them and to their children to control future immigration as we are following, if you think, previous immigration waves… > > To keep immigration levels measured by population share within historical norms. To select immigrants based on their likelihood of success in U.S. society and their ability to be financially self- sufficient. > > We take anybody. Come on in, anybody. Just come on in. Not anymore. > > So, what’s the significance of 1965? That’s when we modified our immigration laws to no longer fear a brown planet: We passed the Immigration and Nationality Act, which repealed the Emergency Quota Act (as modified in 1924), destroying the racial quota system that act imposed on immigration. Make no mistake: The Emergency Quota Act was a White Nationalist act, in that it aimed to preserve a White Nation, explicitly capping every race other than White European at very low levels. > > [MediaMatters has the evidence that the message is getting through](https://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/08/31/white-nationalist-media-cheers-trump-s-almost-perfect-immigration-speech/212803): > > > [@Richard B. Spencer](#): > > > > Trump is returning to the ideas of the 1924 Immigration Act. > > > > Immigrants will reflect the racial makeup of the country.#AmericaFirst > > [Quote=Richard B. Spencer] > > 1965 will be repealed. > > 1924 will be revived. #TrumpAZ Richard B. Spencer is the founder of the alt-right movement. [/quote] The problem is that all of this will be blamed on Trump. Trump isn’t the reason the alt-right is associated with the GOP to begin with. Trump isn’t the reason the “Protect Our Border” people vote Republican. Trump didn’t win sufficient votes in the GOP primary to become the GOP’s candidate because the GOP is the wrong place for him to peddle this shit. Trump found an audience for what he’s selling, and we need to look long and hard at why the GOP contains that audience. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/458 "2016-10-07T11:57:58Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > Trump found an audience for what he’s selling, **and we need to look long and hard at why the GOP contains that audience.** The erosion of institutions that are responsive to the needs of ordinary working class people, the commercialization of education, and a media apparatus that completely and utterly distorts reality. Given this background, people are left to form opinions based on their gut and what their eyes and simple correlations tell them. Retiring baby boomers in Youngstown, Ohio look at how blacks “have it so easy” now that - wow, holy shit - they can actually afford to buy a home, while their white grandchildren are strung out on heroin. _“Must be that Black Muslim president’s fault.”_ Good points on immigration act revivals – this is at minimum what we can expect. But I don’t think it ends there. I could absolutely see the right wing loading the bench with conservative justices who will question not just the civil rights voting act (like Scalia did) but ALL civil rights acts. We will return to the era of States rights, and States will be given more latitude to decide for themselves what civil rights really means. A second Jim Crow era is coming. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/459 "2016-10-07T12:14:15Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > It basically means implementing a radical fiscal agenda that would take the country back to the 1920s. > > [http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/paul-ryan-budget-congress-229216](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/paul-ryan-budget-congress-229216) > > The problem I envision is that it would not stop there. If Trump were to get elected, it would give all sorts of fringe elements, from Ron Paul’s bark-at-the-moon gold standard and end-the-Fed cult to Ted Cruz’s calls to abolish the IRS. It sounds like crazy speech on late night AM radio or the far right campaign trail, but it would become a reality in a Trump world. This would take us back to an economy that existed in the late 1800s. A related problem is that this form of economic liberty inevitable competes with and at times overtakes other notions of liberty and natural rights – many of which we take for granted. Extreme forms of neo-classical and neo-liberal economics value freedom of corporations (capitalist freedom) over basic human dignity. The result is a return of a type of quasi-slavery. This is not as far-fetched as it might seem. In short, we are a 5-7 percentage point swing nationally from taking the United States and turning it into a complete shit hole. Yes Trump would bring an authoritarian regime and anarcho capitalist regime at the same time. Hysteria is gaining hold. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2016, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/460 "2016-10-07T12:18:14Z")
“When it comes to protecting our country against natural disasters and the threat of climate change, once again, Donald Trump is totally unfit and unqualified” - Clinton Clinton and the authoritarian left lack any sense of hubris. They elevate government to an all-powerful status previously reserved for gods. Quetzalcoatl 2016! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=24)