# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 237
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4725 "2016-11-05T18:33:52Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Trump is buffoonery personified. With no small helping of nasty badness. I sure voted the other way. > > If he’s elected then in 4 years we’ll vote him back out. Yes, some bad stuff will happen along the way. Stuff that would have been avoided if he wasn’t elected. > > Get back some of your perspective. How did the US really fare after 9/11? How much did you getting your undies in a bundle and your brain in a blendor really help? > > It’ll take one hell of a lot more than a mere Trump to seriously damage this country. It doesn’t help that I’ve been watching “10 Ways the world will end” on The History Channel. One of the “ways” is Nuclear Holocaust. That coupled with Trump and his ego has me seriously freaked out. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4726 "2016-11-05T18:35:49Z")
Both of these clowns are losers. But I have come to respect how hard Trump is fighting in these ending weeks. It’s his own fault for burning all the bridges to his own party. But he and Pence haven’t given up and they’ve made this a competitive race. Watching the establishment try to drag Hillary across the finish line to a victory is eye opening. I think Obama and Biden are campaigning harder now then they did in 2012. She darn well better win. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4727 "2016-11-05T18:42:04Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > What a loser, everyone supports her! Donald’s a real winner, nobody wants to be associated with him! Yep. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4728 "2016-11-05T18:47:16Z")
I keep thinking in the event that Trump wins, and there’s a nuclear holocaust, it will be his supporters who will probably survive. It just seems like Trump supporters are more likely to be “preppers”. That hardly seems fair that they will have caused this, yet they get to survive. I’m driving myself crazy, can’t wait until this is over. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4729 "2016-11-05T18:56:16Z")
Well we are down to the final days. In about 80 hours, we should have a new POTUS. I haven’t been following this thread but am guessing it’s been mostly pro Clinton, right? ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4730 "2016-11-05T18:59:07Z")
It is mostly about eating bugs at this point. I nominate centipedes as especially grody. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4731 "2016-11-05T19:00:15Z")
**Honey** it’s too late now, but at times like these, it’s best to just step away from the news, and the threads. You’ll feel better. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4732 "2016-11-05T19:08:55Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > I respectfully disagree with this part. Look at all the damage George W Bush did to the US and everyone else, and then remember that for all his flaws and cognitive limitations, he actually did seem to want to do the right thing. Having a thin skinned, fatuous bigot with anger control issues at the helm of the world’s largest economy and mightiest war machine could result in some pretty damned serious damage. Do remember that Bush was really just the puppet figurehead for the Neo-Cons thatbrwallybran the government, like Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wilfowitz. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4733 "2016-11-05T19:09:03Z")
> [@](#): > > …I haven’t been following this thread but am guessing it’s been mostly pro Clinton, right? Smartest, hippest people on the planet plus a few total dipsticks. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4734 "2016-11-05T19:12:01Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > What a loser, everyone supports her! Donald’s a real winner, nobody wants to be associated with him! Nobody goes there any more, it’s too crowded. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4735 "2016-11-05T19:14:42Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > This is sublime logic. > > She has so many people speaking in her favor, it’s proof that no one likes her. The multitude of people singing her praises are only doing so because she desperately needs help. On the other hand, pretty much no one in power on the right sings Trump’s praises because he obviously doesn’t need the help, I reckon. I certainly don’t see it that way. Trump toots his own horn, but there really aren’t any people with any credibility speaking up on his behalf. Hillary on the other hand has endorsements from some very wise people. These two candidates are not equal in terms of qualifications for the job. Teumpnis nog even within ten blocks of the ball park. He’s a faker, a fraud. He’s illiterate and knows nothing about government. One needs to be able to read and comprehend in order to do this job. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4736 "2016-11-05T19:15:19Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > That’s admittedly calling on an awful lot of upper level bureaucrats and Congress and the SCOTUS to mostly step up to defend the Republic rather than their jobs. But I have a bunch of faith that will happen if push should come to shove. Defending the Republic _is_ the job of every public official: [5 U.S. Code § 3331 - Oath of office](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/5/3331) > [@](#): > > An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services, shall take the following oath: “I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that **I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States** against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.” This section does not affect other oaths required by law. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4737 "2016-11-05T19:15:56Z")
I don’t know WTF teumpnis nog is. Meant to say “Trump is not.” Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4738 "2016-11-05T19:19:51Z")
Its a Serbian epithet roughly translated as “Your Mom is boinking a rich American asshole!”. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4739 "2016-11-05T19:44:57Z")
Spiegel has a great story on the election. Interesting to see how Europe views our politics. Their cover of 2 mud caked candidates is very cool. Excellent article that lays bare the nastiness of the 2016 election. It is a bit disconcerting that Europe has a front row seat to our political meltdown. I hope they’ve sold a lot of popcorn. 😃 [https://www.google.com/amp/www.spiegel.de/international/world/us-presidential-campaign-concludes-in-farce-a-1119830-amp.html?client=ms-android-motorola](https://www.google.com/amp/www.spiegel.de/international/world/us-presidential-campaign-concludes-in-farce-a-1119830-amp.html?client=ms-android-motorola) ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4740 "2016-11-05T19:48:20Z")
Shrimp are basically bugs, aren’t they? I’m a vegetarian, but I’ll eat some batter fried shrimp for the cause. I live near the wonderful Butterfly House, where you can see lots of insects, including butterflies and moths. I’ll eat anything in that building if it will help ensure Trump doesn’t win. At this point, I’d piss on a spark plug if I thought it would do any good. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4741 "2016-11-05T19:57:54Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > It’s got to be embarrassing that the DNC still has to work so hard to sell Hillary to America. Yes, it is embarrassing for America that we have so many idiots voting for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4742 "2016-11-05T20:19:07Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > … My view is Trump will try pretty hard to do far more damage than GHWB ever managed. But since he’s a goof with a short attention span he’ll fail. > The rest of the system will pretty well shut him off. And the more outrageous the thing he tries to do, the quicker he’ll be clamped off. So the actual damage, as opposed to the outraged noises in the press, will be more limited than what GHWB “accomplished”. Entirely because GHWB had the entire system working for him, while Trump will have most of it working against him. > That’s admittedly calling on an awful lot of upper level bureaucrats and Congress and the SCOTUS to mostly step up to defend the Republic rather than their jobs. But I have a bunch of faith that will happen if push should come to shove. > … Though I can sympathize with anyone trying to calm and comfort themselves in the face of a potential Trump presidency, I believe that the sentiments quoted above are wildly over-optimistic. For one thing: > [@Biffster](#): > > Do remember that Bush was really just the puppet figurehead for the Neo-Cons that [really] ran the government, like Cheney, Rumsfeld and W[o]lfowitz. How realistic is it to believe that those with access to power in a Trump administration will all be selfless servants of democracy and the rule of law? Isn’t it much more likely that a critical mass of them will be, you know, _people chosen by Trump_? The sort of people who will pledge to prioritize kissing his butt, and then will be free to take any and all actions calculated to profit themselves?–starting wars, suppressing civil rights, surveilling those who might threaten their power…? The argument that Trump will be helpless and ineffectual and easily reined in by those around him seems to me to be extraordinarily weak. (Moreover it’s an argument being used by those urging that people vote for Trump on the rationale that ‘it won’t be all that bad if he’s elected.’) ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4743 "2016-11-05T20:34:31Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > At this point, I’d piss on a spark plug if I thought it would do any good. If this isn’t a _WarGames_ reference, it should be. I’ll say one other thing: Trump isn’t that special. He’s about on a level with Berlusconi, or one of the Le Pen tribe, or any number of other xenophobic and outright racist European politicians. The fact he has a following here doesn’t make Americans worse than others, it just means that our country, taken as a whole, is no better, and mostly not even very different. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4744 "2016-11-05T20:46:22Z")
I wonder what Tea Partiers are doing this election cycle. Trump is about as far from a Tea Party approved candidate that you can get. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=236) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=238)