# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 238
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4745 "2016-11-05T20:52:56Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > We’re only allowing in women and orphans? There should be a forum rule about repeating obviously inaccurate talking points verbatim from politicians. That would kind of limit your posting options. > [@AnalogSignal](#): > > Sam Wang is your anti-depressant. He is saying Clinton has it locked. (He will also eat a bug if he’s wrong.) > > [http://election.princeton.edu/](http://election.princeton.edu/) It better be a VW Beetle. > [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I declare that I’ll eat a bug if jsgoddess eats a bug. And I’ll eat one of Happy does, but only if it’s because jsgoddess does. (I have have faith in her willpower. :D) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4746 "2016-11-05T20:58:03Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I wonder what Tea Partiers are doing this election cycle. Trump is about as far from a Tea Party approved candidate that you can get. They’re doing the same thing that the evangelicals and Libertarians are doing. They’re voting for Trump anyway. Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4747 "2016-11-05T21:07:57Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > OTOH, if Trump should win then the mantra becomes “The People have spoken”. More like Dick Tuck’s immortal “The people have spoken, the bastards.” ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4748 "2016-11-05T21:26:55Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Well, the “The next president should choose because the Will of the People!” argument sort of goes out the door next week. > > But the technical answer is that yes, the GOP Senate majority could theoretically block any more nominees indefinitely. After Hillary wins, the Republicans should confirm Merrick Garland in a hurry, before Obama leaves office and Hillary nominates someone less GOP-friendly. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4749 "2016-11-05T21:27:12Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Both of these clowns are losers. > > But I have come to respect how hard Trump is fighting in these ending weeks. It’s his own fault for burning all the bridges to his own party. But he and Pence haven’t given up and they’ve made this a competitive race. > > Watching the establishment try to drag Hillary across the finish line to a victory is eye opening. I think Obama and Biden are campaigning harder now then they did in 2012. > > She darn well better win. Neither George W. Bush or his father want to be within any distance of Trump. President and Mrs. Obama are enthusiastically campaigning by Sec. Clinton’s side. She even has Bernie Sanders with her. Who’s being embarrassed? It seems that Trump’s biggest campaigners are his wife, and his children, and his running mate, Mike Pence. Nobody else wants to associate with him. ---
**Author:** ![chorpler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chorpler/32/2888_2.png) [@chorpler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chorpler)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4750 "2016-11-05T21:32:40Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > Sam Wang is your anti-depressant. He is saying Clinton has it locked. (He will also eat a bug if he’s wrong.) All this talk of who will eat a bug (and what kind of bug it should be) reminds me of [this Dilbert strip](http://dilbert.com/strip/1994-04-03), which now makes me sad given Scott Adams’s recent insanity. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4751 "2016-11-05T21:35:01Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > After Hillary wins, the Republicans should confirm Merrick Garland in a hurry, before Obama leaves office and Hillary nominates someone less GOP-friendly. IMO this depends a bit on which way the Senate goes. For sure if the next Senate is D-dominated they’ll take Garland in a [del]NY[/del] DC minute. If it’s still R they may fancy their chances at holding out for 4 more years until the People have Spoken Correctly (i.e. Rightly). After all they’ll be busy with impeachment proceedings starting on Jan 21. Yeah, yeah, that’s in the House. But the Senate will be mesmerized by the spectacle. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4752 "2016-11-05T21:41:56Z")
> [@chorpler](#): > > All this talk of who will eat a bug (and what kind of bug it should be) reminds me of [this Dilbert strip](http://dilbert.com/strip/1994-04-03), which now makes me sad given Scott Adams’s recent insanity. I declare that I wouldn’t even eat a bug on a bun. Not even for an exemplary SDMB performance review. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4753 "2016-11-05T21:43:33Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Neither George W. Bush or his father want to be within any distance of Trump. President and Mrs. Obama are enthusiastically campaigning by Sec. Clinton’s side. She even has Bernie Sanders with her. Who’s being embarrassed? It seems that Trump’s biggest campaigners are his wife, and his children, and his running mate, Mike Pence. Nobody else wants to associate with him. Rudy has been stumping for him on the news shows. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4754 "2016-11-05T21:49:43Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > If this isn’t a _WarGames_ reference, it should be… The only way to win is not to play. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4755 "2016-11-05T21:52:12Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > IMO this depends a bit on which way the Senate goes. > > For sure if the next Senate is D-dominated they’ll take Garland in a [del]NY[/del] DC minute. > > If it’s still R they may fancy their chances at holding out for 4 more years until the People have Spoken Correctly (i.e. Rightly). After all they’ll be busy with impeachment proceedings starting on Jan 21. Yeah, yeah, that’s in the House. But the Senate will be mesmerized by the spectacle. It’s only two years until the voters have another shot at turning the senate (further) democratic. Approximately 1/3 of senators’ seats are in play every 2 years. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4756 "2016-11-05T22:06:06Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > It’s only two years until the voters have another shot at turning the senate (further) democratic. Approximately 1/3 of senators’ seats are in play every 2 years. The 2018 senate map is very bad for the Democrats. Very few Republicans are up for reelection that year, and lots of Democrats are in red states. This was their only really good year for taking control, and they may have blown it. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4757 "2016-11-05T22:10:53Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > It’s only two years until the voters have another shot at turning the senate (further) democratic. Approximately 1/3 of senators’ seats are in play every 2 years. Kind of tough though. The 33 senate elections in 2018 includes 23 that are currently Dem and 2 are independents who caucus with them. ---
**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4758 "2016-11-05T22:16:40Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > I’ve been obsessively watching CNN, and I haven’t been able to sleep well in weeks. I am terrified that Trump may actually pull this off. I can’t seem to talk sense into any Trump supporter I know. I’m so frustrated. > For me, this is like after 9/11 when almost all I did was watch the news for months, and I became deeply depressed. After this is over I’m not watching ANY news channels for a very long time. > > Can anyone tell me something to make me feel better? Anything. > > ☹ You need a [kitten break](https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/tubesock-sweater-kitten-rescued-from-hurricane-matthew-goes-viral). We all need a kitten break. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4759 "2016-11-05T22:22:35Z")
> [@suranyi](#): > > The 2018 senate map is very bad for the Democrats. Very few Republicans are up for reelection that year, and lots of Democrats are in red states. > > This was their only really good year for taking control, and they may have blown it. ☹ Plus, the party that wins the White House tends to fare poorly in the next midterms. Re: Clinton in 1992 then the 1994 midterms; Obama in 2008 then the 2010 midterms. So Hillary will see a further red Congress in 2018. ---
**Author:** ![Jungian\_Camisole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8baadc/32.png) [@Jungian\_Camisole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jungian_Camisole)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4760 "2016-11-05T22:30:53Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Neither George W. Bush or his father want to be within any distance of Trump. President and Mrs. Obama are enthusiastically campaigning by Sec. Clinton’s side. She even has Bernie Sanders with her. Who’s being embarrassed? It seems that Trump’s biggest campaigners are his wife, and his children, and his running mate, Mike Pence. Nobody else wants to associate with him. Why does everyone always forget about Chachi? Sad! ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4761 "2016-11-05T22:35:54Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I wonder what Tea Partiers are doing this election cycle. Trump is about as far from a Tea Party approved candidate that you can get. Not really. “Conservatives” turn themselves into whatever the rage machine spits out. The Tea Party and Trump may differ some on economics but not really. In any case, they both represent a movement to preserve white America’s place at the top of the social, economic, and political hierarchy. ---
**Author:** ![Tzigone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4762 "2016-11-05T22:43:35Z")
Does PEC have any state-by-state analysis that shows what percentage of the vote Wang expects each presidential candidate to get in each state? What other popular sites do - besides 538? Wednesday I’d like to check on how close each site was to the actual result in that state (whether off by .4% and called it wrong, or called it correctly and off by 5%). ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4763 "2016-11-05T22:47:15Z")
> [@suranyi](#): > > The 2018 senate map is very bad for the Democrats. Very few Republicans are up for reelection that year, and lots of Democrats are in red states. > > This was their only really good year for taking control, and they may have blown it. ☹ This could actually turn out to be good news. Let’s just once and for all do away with fantasies of having a democratic senate and accept that Hillary Clinton is going to be a target for right wing fanaticism. The sooner we can have this clash of civilizations the better off we’ll all be better for it, and in 2018 we can let the voters decide once and for all: Do they want a government of radicals who do nothing but shut down the government, talk of impeachment, and spend tens of millions of tax dollars on investigations to nowhere, or do they want something better? Maybe think about what kind of country for their children and grandchildren just about to enter college or enter the job market. Of course, who knows, maybe they’ll blame Hillary Clinton for not capitulating and resigning. After all, most conservatives do have a tendency to blame women for being assaulted rather than those who actually carry out the abuse. But fuck it, let it happen. And let the consequences speak for themselves. The stock market will certainly have something to say about this. People’s 401Ks and retirement portfolios might have something to add as well. Foreign aggressors like Russia and China would love nothing more than to see an American president so distracted with nonsense that they can pretty much bully and harass their neighbors. This needs to stop being an abstraction and instead needs to become a painful reality for all of us. As I’ve said, when the average sitcom watching moron can be disabused of the notion that “They’re all equally bad” then maybe we’ll start becoming a functional democracy again, but right now, we’re so screwed. We’re screwed with Trump. We’re screwed without him. ---
**Author:** ![Sterling\_Archer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Sterling\_Archer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sterling_Archer)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4764 "2016-11-05T23:02:59Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Do they want a government of radicals who do nothing but shut down the government, talk of impeachment, and spend tens of millions of tax dollars on investigations to nowhere, or do they want something better? Yes. Yes they do. There is no accountability. The GOP has literally announced they are going to obstruct, obstructed, shut down the government, and pointed to “Washington politics and corruption” as the problem that only they can fix. They aren’t being held accountable now because most people just aren’t paying attention. Why would they ever be held accountable? It can’t get any more hypocritical. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=237) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=239)