# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 242
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4825 "2016-11-06T10:45:49Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > And, then, as you note, not even a single shooting attempt at a president since. I’d probably put the grenade that was thrown at W in the same category. Not a shooting attempt, but still a deadly weapon. It doesn’t seem to be remembered much, I guess since the guy sucked at throwing it and then it didn’t even work. ---
**Author:** ![soonerblue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/soonerblue/32/3302_2.png) [@soonerblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/soonerblue)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4826 "2016-11-06T11:11:46Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > I’ve noticed this, too. > > In the span of 18 years, a president was assassinated (JFK), another was shot and came fairly close to dying (Reagan), and another president survived two assassination attempts over a few weeks (Ford). Plus, during that timeframe, another likely presidential nominee was assassinated (RFK), as were two prominent black civil rights activists (MLK, Malcolm X), and another presidential candidate was paralyzed in an assassination attempt (George Wallace). > > And, then, as you note, not even a single shooting attempt at a president since. Yes, remarkable … but their occasional negligence has scared me half to death several times in the past few years. > **[Long List of Breaches and Scandals for Secret Service Under Obama](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/long-list-breaches-scandals-secret-service-under-obama-n215751)** > > The embarrassments have continued under two directors. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4827 "2016-11-06T11:23:39Z")
Assassinations were fashionable at one time as the primary outlet for crazy people who wanted to be famous. Then the mass shooting came into vogue, although it’s primacy was briefly delayed by hijackings in the 1970s. Crazy people have just figured out that assassinations are hard, hijackings are nearly impossible now, but mass shootings are easy as pie. That’s my hypothesis anyway. But I think one thing is still true. If someone is determined to kill the President and has the intelligence to plan it decently, he’ll probably succeed. I don’t think the Secret Service can stop a competent assassin without a lot of luck. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4828 "2016-11-06T11:33:44Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > And, then, as you note, not even a single shooting attempt at a president since. They go for lower-profile and less-well guarded targets like Gabrielle Giffords. Or bombing marathons. ---
**Author:** ![Bootis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e8c25b/32.png) [@Bootis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootis)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4829 "2016-11-06T12:46:12Z")
Trump thinks he’s found [proof the election is rigged](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-early-voting-lines-evidence-rigged-system/story?id=43332509): “certain groups” are being allowed to vote when I guess he believes they should be turned away and not alowed to vote… is that what he’s meant by " rigging" all this time? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4830 "2016-11-06T13:23:54Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > I’d probably put the grenade that was thrown at W in the same category. Not a shooting attempt, but still a deadly weapon. It doesn’t seem to be remembered much, I guess since the guy sucked at throwing it and then it didn’t even work. Don’t forget the guy who smuggled in a pair of shoes. ---
**Author:** ![Tzigone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4831 "2016-11-06T13:26:39Z")
> [@](#): > > Don’t forget the guy who smuggled in a pair of shoes. I remember the Secret Service catching a _little_ bit of flack for that, because it could have been something dangerous thrown. But mostly jokes. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4832 "2016-11-06T14:04:15Z")
Bush had reflexes, didn’t he? Good thing too, what if it had been a rock? ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4833 "2016-11-06T14:04:44Z")
Here is a New York Magazine article on the Clinton Foundation receiving a $1 Million gift while Hillary was Secretary of State: [Clinton Foundation Accepted $1 Million Donation From Qatar](http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/clinton-foundation-accepted-usd1-million-donation-from-qatar.html). ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4834 "2016-11-06T14:05:46Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Bush had reflexes, didn’t he? Good thing too, what if it had been a rock? Apparently he didn’t know about it until much later. ---
**Author:** ![Tzigone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4835 "2016-11-06T14:08:56Z")
> [@](#): > > Bush had reflexes, didn’t he? Good thing too, what if it had been a rock? [Ducked that first one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RFH7C3vkK4). Recall someone at work commenting on those reflexes. And someone else saying he had to have them - he hunted with Cheney. Hey, I said it was mostly jokes. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4836 "2016-11-06T14:16:47Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Checked my news sites before I got here. It is as reported above, the guy was just a guy with a sign that Trump did not like. > > Brave, brave, brave Sir Donald. When danger reared its ugly head He promptly turned on his tail and fled… Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Tzigone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4837 "2016-11-06T14:29:11Z")
> [@](#): > > When danger reared its ugly head > He promptly turned on his tail and fled… I don’t like Trump, but when the Secret Service tells a candidate to get off the stage, the candidate needs to get off the stage. He didn’t do anything wrong by leaving, and I’m tired of the accusations of cowardice over him doing so. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4838 "2016-11-06T14:37:04Z")
> [@Tzigone](#): > > I don’t like Trump, but when the Secret Service tells a candidate to get off the stage, the candidate needs to get off the stage. He didn’t do anything wrong by leaving, and I’m tired of the accusations of cowardice over him doing so. Actually, they don’t even give him/her a choice. They drag 'em out if needed. I wouldn’t expect any candidate to be expected to stand and take a bullet. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4839 "2016-11-06T14:37:14Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > Nate Silver rages at Huffington Post editor in 14-part tweetstorm: [http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/nate-silver-huffington-post-polls-twitter-230815](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/nate-silver-huffington-post-polls-twitter-230815) > > Nate (538) is adjusting the Florida polls for a Trump win. HuffPo calls bullshit. Nate fires back on Twitter. You know, he can fire back or not as is his choice, but God I hate arguments on Twitter. It’s a vehicle for short messages for teenagers and dull-witted celebrities. Just link to a goddamn blog post. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4840 "2016-11-06T14:47:56Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Trump’s idiot supporters are now accusing Hillary of not being tough enough to be president because… because she cut short a Florida rally due to heavy rain! > > Trump, however, – the guy so insecure and hypersensitive that he sues everyone who ever dares criticize him – continues to prove how tough he is: “Trump is back on stage minutes after assassination attempt”. [This is according to the hallucinatory alternate reality embraced by the son Donald Trump Jr.](Trump is back on stage minutes after assassination attempt), affectionately known as Douchebag von Fuckface. The “assassination attempt” turned out to be a guy with a protest sign, who was naturally attacked and roughed up by Trump’s illustrious supporters, as they always do, and who accused him of having a gun. Which he did not have. He was interviewed and released without charges, since it turns out that it’s not illegal to have a protest sign. But such is the reality in Trumpland that Trump is now being touted as having heroically survived an assassination attempt. :rolleyes: By tomorrow it will become the story of a Clinton assassin armed with heavy artillery, and Donald fighting him Rambo-style. > [@gaffa](#): > > Lots of good guys with guns charged with the job of protecting both candidates. And the ones on Trump detail are probably thinking “I have to jump in front of a bullet for this yutz?” They’ll probably jump in the opposite direction. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4841 "2016-11-06T14:48:11Z")
> [@Tzigone](#): > > I don’t like Trump, but when the Secret Service tells a candidate to get off the stage, the candidate needs to get off the stage. He didn’t do anything wrong by leaving, and I’m tired of the accusations of cowardice over him doing so. Nobody is faulting Trump for leaving the stage. The criticism is for identifying someone as a threat because of a sign, and later misrepresenting the incident as an assassination attempt. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4842 "2016-11-06T14:50:08Z")
Nation Mourns Failed Assassination Attempt. Film at eleven. ---
**Author:** ![Tzigone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4843 "2016-11-06T14:50:21Z")
> [@](#): > > Nobody is faulting Trump for leaving the stage. The criticism is for identifying someone as a threat because of a sign, and later misrepresenting the incident as an assassination attempt. I read "He promptly turned on his tail and fled… " as an insult for leaving. I think that’s a very reasonable interpretation. And that same sentiment has been expressed on other forums, too. Even to directly calling him a coward and other such terms. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4844 "2016-11-06T14:50:46Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Actually, they don’t even give him/her a choice. They drag 'em out if needed. > I wouldn’t expect any candidate to be expected to stand and take a bullet. Yup, I think SOP is that they barely even speak to the protectee in that circumstance, they just grab and (if necessary) physically carry him off. Get him to safety and apologize for any scratches and bruises later. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=241) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=243)