# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 244
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4865 "2016-11-06T17:44:38Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > It’s chilling to see Trump standing there frozen, shading his eyes with his hand. He would have made a great target if that guy had a gun instead of a sign. > > The Secret Service was a few seconds late in getting to Trump. I hope they’d react more decisively with the President in a similar situation. I just watched the tape. I couldn’t hear when “gun” was shouted. When you pinpoint that, then you can criticize the agents. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4866 "2016-11-06T17:48:59Z")
Agree w **running coach**. Shooting a politician giving a speech is easy. And at that point the offense (assassin) has all the advantages and the defense (SS) is way behind the eight ball. The defense advantages are in preventing a weapon (or a hothead; ideally both) getting in proximity to the politician before, and in preventing the assassin’s escape after the attempt. It appears the SS succeeded in both. Or vastly more likely in this case there was not ever any kind of assassination even thought about by anyone in (or not in) the crowd. IOW, the part you see on TV replays is the tiniest slice of the whole. And hence the least relevant to understanding the big picture. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4867 "2016-11-06T17:55:11Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Agree w **running coach**. > > Shooting a politician giving a speech is easy. And at that point the offense (assassin) has all the advantages and the defense (SS) is way behind the eight ball. > > The defense advantages are in preventing a weapon (or a hothead; ideally both) getting in proximity to the politician before, and in preventing the assassin’s escape after the attempt. It appears the SS succeeded in both. \*\*Or vastly more likely in this case there was not ever any kind of assassination even thought about by anyone in (or not in) the crowd. > \*\* > IOW, the part you see on TV replays is the tiniest slice of the whole. And hence the least relevant to understanding the big picture. Protestor with a sign, no gun was found. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4868 "2016-11-06T17:58:52Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Didn’t get a word of it. Are they singing in British? Try this Chorus: > [@](#): > > Nellie the Elephant packed her trunk > And said goodbye to the circus > Off she went with a trumpety-trump > Trump, trump, trump > Nellie the Elephant packed her trunk > And trundled back to the jungle > Off she went with a trumpety-trump > Trump, trump, trump ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4869 "2016-11-06T18:00:50Z")
The Seattle Times is reporting that two Washington state Democratic electors are threatening to withhold their votes from Clinton. They’re apparently a couple of “Bernie or busters”. [http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/hes-a-state-democratic-elector-but-robert-satiacum-says-he-wont-vote-for-clinton/](http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/hes-a-state-democratic-elector-but-robert-satiacum-says-he-wont-vote-for-clinton/) > [@](#): > > “No, no, no on Hillary. Absolutely not. No way,” said Robert Satiacum, a member of Washington’s Puyallup Tribe who had supported Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders as the Democratic presidential nominee. > … > Bret Chiafalo, a Democratic elector from Everett who is also a Sanders supporter, said he is considering exercising his right to be a “conscientious elector” and vote for the person he believes would be the best president. In Washington, there’s a $1,000 fine for faithless electors. Satiacum is okay with paying the fine, and Chiafalo believes that the fine is unconstitutional. And we can’t blame the millennials for this. These guys are 56 and 37. Now I’m starting to worry about electors elsewhere. How f’ing stupid can a person be? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4870 "2016-11-06T18:04:08Z")
Already a thread on it: “HRC has her first faithless elector.” ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4871 "2016-11-06T18:06:19Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Exactly. If I recall correctly, Cheney said that when 9/11 happened, his Secret Service detail came to his office, grabbed him by his belt and pulled him out of the office right away. > > Explanations and investigations can wait - their job is is to get their protectee out of danger right away. He looked weak and pathetic, like a helpless little boy. I like the candidates who stand up for themselves. “I alone” you know. Sad. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4872 "2016-11-06T18:17:12Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Protestor with a sign, no gun was found. Agreed. I knew the protester was no assassin from the earlier posts and articles. My point was that the rest of the SS process that kept guns out of the room probably also didn’t actually filter out any guns. Because nobody was intending to bring one. Not the arrested protester, and not anyone else either. IOW, the first line of defense is deterrence. It doesn’t appear on camera. And that goes back to me supporting your contention that **aceplace57** ’s beef about the SS was ill-considered and that him relying on a few seconds of tape to form such an opinion was silly. Sorry to be unclear. ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4873 "2016-11-06T18:30:22Z")
Very good article showing the Orange Buffoon’s insecurity. They have taken away his Twitter account. He now has dictate tweets to be edited by aides. [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/07/us/politics/donald-trump-presidential-race.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/07/us/politics/donald-trump-presidential-race.html) > [@](#): > > Donald J. Trump is not sleeping much these days. > > Aboard his gold-plated jumbo jet, the Republican nominee does not like to rest or be alone with his thoughts, insisting that aides stay up and keep talking to him. He prefers the soothing, whispery voice of his son-in-law. ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4874 "2016-11-06T18:40:35Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I just watched the tape. I couldn’t hear when “gun” was shouted. If gun was shouted - and I’m assuming it was, I’m thinking not unlikely a Deplorable craving some action, rather than a mistake… ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4875 "2016-11-06T18:43:53Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Agree w **running coach**. > > Shooting a politician giving a speech is easy. And at that point the offense (assassin) has all the advantages and the defense (SS) is way behind the eight ball. > > The defense advantages are in preventing a weapon (or a hothead; ideally both) getting in proximity to the politician before, and in preventing the assassin’s escape after the attempt. It appears the SS succeeded in both. Or vastly more likely in this case there was not ever any kind of assassination even thought about by anyone in (or not in) the crowd. > > IOW, the part you see on TV replays is the tiniest slice of the whole. And hence the least relevant to understanding the big picture. I attended an Obama rally in 2008, and came away tremendously impressed by the thoroughness and efficiency of the uniformed Secret Service people. Metal detectors yes, but unlike the TSA they spoke directly to everyone coming through their station, and doubtless reserved the right to refuse admittance to anyone who made them uneasy. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4876 "2016-11-06T18:45:26Z")
> [@MacCat](#): > > If gun was shouted - and I’m assuming it was, I’m thinking not unlikely a Deplorable craving some action, rather than a mistake… Maybe the word “gun” was shouted in joy? That his supporters just love guns so much that it’s an all-purpose expression of support? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4877 "2016-11-06T18:48:40Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > Very good article showing the Orange Buffoon’s insecurity. They have taken away his Twitter account. He now has dictate tweets to be edited by aides. > > [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/07/us/politics/donald-trump-presidential-race.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/07/us/politics/donald-trump-presidential-race.html) > [@](#): > > Mr. Trump still privately muses about all of the ways he will punish his enemies after Election Day, including a threat to fund a “super PAC” with vengeance as its core mission. So, yeah, Nixon on steroids… Heck, NO. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4878 "2016-11-06T18:51:21Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > Maybe the word “gun” was shouted in joy? That his supporters just love guns so much that it’s an all-purpose expression of support? Someone not using their inside voice. “A protestor! I sure wish I had ma GUN!!!” ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4879 "2016-11-06T19:36:22Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > You guys sure you’re not from Texas? You sound like the Island of the Aggies. But with much, much better wine. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4880 "2016-11-06T19:48:39Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > So, yeah, Nixon on steroids… > > Heck, NO. As I’ve said in the past, he’s Stupid Nixon: > [@If Trump wins, should there be a quick trigger on impeachment?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-wins-should-there-be-a-quick-trigger-on-impeachment/769318/27): > > He’s his own worst enemy. He destroys his own successes, and he makes his defeats even worse. > > Of course, with Nixon, it was a Greek Tragedy playing out, with a brilliant but flawed protagonist ultimately being destroyed by that most Greek of sins, hubris. With Trump, it’s more like watching Curly repeatedly whack himself on the head, get angry, and run headlong into another rake, over and over again. As per Marx, history repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as The Three Stooges. I have no problem saying Nixon was a smart man. I have no problem saying Nixon did good things for the country. Nixon even, to a limited extent, had principles: Preserve The Establishment, even as it was being torn down by the New Left from without and the rising Conservative Movement from within. Trump has none of those qualities. He’s a stupid man, he can do no good for anyone, especially not himself, and his only principle is Trump Is Great. However, whereas Nixon used his intelligence to be a more cunning animal, a more vicious and dangerous threat, Trump stumbles over himself and gets in his own way to the point his only support comes from die-hard My Party, Right Or Wrong types and the more blatantly fascistic Fringe Right front. Nixon was a good house with a cracked and subsiding foundation finally collapsing on itself. Trump was a dumpster fire which got a lot more fuel poured onto it to become a dumpster fire for the ages. To use a tired Internet phrase, “and nothing of value was lost”. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4881 "2016-11-06T19:51:05Z")
[Trump’s campaign staff have taken away access to his Twitter account.](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/07/us/politics/donald-trump-presidential-race.html?smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur&_r=1) [Somebody put up a Trump campaign sign outside of James Comey’s house. Though I doubt if he did it, it’s on the curb on the outside of the fence.](http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/11/06/fbi-director-comey-just-put-trump-sign-front-lawn/) [Kellyanne Conway is still calling it an assassination attempt, and when Jake Tapper called her on it, she said the campaign will quit calling it an assassination attempt when the media quit saying Hillary is going to win.](http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/11/06/kellyanne-conway-went-on-cnn-sunday-to-promote-assassination-gets-laughed-off-air-video/) ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4882 "2016-11-06T19:53:41Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > Maybe the word “gun” was shouted in joy? That his supporters just love guns so much that it’s an all-purpose expression of support? Word. You should have guns in schools and everyone should have one but you can’t say the word. It’s a police state is what it is. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4883 "2016-11-06T19:55:58Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > [Kellyanne Conway is still calling it an assassination attempt, and when Jake Tapper called her on it, she said the campaign will quit calling it an assassination attempt when the media quit saying Hillary is going to win.](http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/11/06/kellyanne-conway-went-on-cnn-sunday-to-promote-assassination-gets-laughed-off-air-video/) _Well of course it’s not an actual assassination, **Rick** , but I think the real issue is how Hillary Clinton is assassinating the hope of the American people in this campaign!_ ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/4884 "2016-11-06T20:25:07Z")
I’m watching MSNBC and they are reporting breaking news that FBI Director Comey has sent a letter today to Chaffetz saying after review of the new emails they have found nothing to change the decision they made in July. [Here is a link to Congressman Chaffetz tweet about this.](https://twitter.com/jasoninthehouse/status/795358997083586560) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=243) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=245)