# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/643 "2016-10-08T01:57:01Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I still say that the problem isn’t Trump, it’s the Trump supporters. He will still garner over 40% of the vote despite being shown to be a opportunistic rapist. You simply cannot support this man and be a decent human- but people still support him. I continue to be amazed at the ability of conservatives to bend reality. Elections were starting to get particularly nasty in 2008 and 2012, but this one is off the charts. And to your point, yes, it’s absolutely about the voters now – not just as voters but as human beings and the quality of their character. Until pretty recently I have always been able to compartmentalize a friend or family member’s political views, but this election makes it increasingly difficult with each passing day. I have always been somewhat proud of the fact that I have a diverse set of friends and that I’m able to get along with a variety of people, and I tell myself (like most of us typically do) that it’s just politics - relationships are bigger than politics. But this election has brought out things in people I never thought I’d see written or heard said, which was probably naive on my part. I sense myself getting closer to the point where compartmentalization is difficult and I can see myself ending decades-old relationships. They are actively contributing to a toxic and violent discourse which in turn is setting into motion a very lethal set of dynamics. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/644 "2016-10-08T01:58:50Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > You guys must live in protective bubbles if you’ve only heard “a handful” of guys talk like that. Only a few that I know of would say that in mixed company, but among the guys? Lots of guys, all the time. I personally dislike that type of banter, and agree that it’s usually assholes who spout it. There are a lot of assholes out there… The closest I’ve ever heard among guy friends is a dude who, among only guys, and in a gaming group, played a one-shot character who was a pederast. I left the gaming group over that and similar shenanigans by him, until he himself got kicked out. If you’re tolerating that sort of shit, John, you’re enabling it. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/645 "2016-10-08T01:59:30Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Maybe John Mace played football in college. > I heard plenty of lewd and misogynist type stuff, probably bad enough to sink a presidential campaign but the “I can do whatever I want” stuff would have other guys edging away. Exactly. It’s one thing to say “I boffed this amazing chick on Saturday night - big guns. Amazing!” It’s quite another to talk like someone who belongs on a sex offender registry. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/646 "2016-10-08T02:03:34Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > You guys must live in protective bubbles if you’ve only heard “a handful” of guys talk like that. Only a few that I know of would say that in mixed company, but among the guys? Lots of guys, all the time. I personally dislike that type of banter, and agree that it’s usually assholes who spout it. There are a lot of assholes out there… > > And if I had a nickel for every time someone said “this will be the nail in his coffin” on this MB, I could retire without paying any taxes! > > I give Trump a very low percentage chance to win. Before this latest scandal and after. Or maybe we’re not the odd ones here? ---
**Author:** ![DrumBum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e79b87/32.png) [@DrumBum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrumBum)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/647 "2016-10-08T02:05:30Z")
Trump must be sensing the end. He is asking people on their death bed to hang on long enough to [vote for him.](http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Donald-Trump-Nevada-terminally-ill-sick-vote-Nov-8-9877131.php) :eek: ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/648 "2016-10-08T02:05:59Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > Maybe Ryan does have a sliver of moral fiber after all. More like he’s squeamish. Like a person who likes a burger, but can’t watch an animal slaughtered. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/649 "2016-10-08T02:06:16Z")
Anyway, let’s do the math here. Trump’s NC-17 video \> John Podesta’s flagging emails. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/650 "2016-10-08T02:07:13Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > I can see a drunken frat boy talking about how he once grabbed a girl’s pussy right before she gave him some. > > But bragging about grabbing all the pussies he wants because he’s a star? I haven’t been hanging out in any male locker rooms, but I just can’t see a whole lot of guys saying some shit like this. > > Especially an almost sixty-year-old man who is married. Yea, aside from the misogynistic angle, the quote just comes off as kind of pathetic. It sounds like stuff you hear from an insecure college freshman\* who wants his friends to think he’s not a virgin. It seems pretty weird coming from a married (and presumably sober) 60 year-old. \*(Which is what I always thought “locker room talk” was supposed to mean. After all, I imagine for most American men, HS and college are when they actually played team sports that involved BSing in the locker-room with a large group of friends). ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/651 "2016-10-08T02:08:35Z")
> [@DrumBum](#): > > Trump must be sensing the end. He is asking people on their death bed to hang on long enough to [vote for him.](http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Donald-Trump-Nevada-terminally-ill-sick-vote-Nov-8-9877131.php) :eek: That was actually a day or two ago. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/652 "2016-10-08T02:09:28Z")
This part of the _Washington Post_ story stuck out for me: > [@](#): > > One of Trump’s most prominent social-conservative supporters, Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council, told BuzzFeed’s Rosie Gray: “My personal support for Donald Trump has never been based upon shared values.” His support has never been based on shared values?! What the fuck is it based on, then, Tony? And add me to the list of men who can’t remember the last time they heard another man talk like Trump. Maybe when I was in high school. Not in adulthood. Maybe I live in a bubble. Maybe I just try to associate with decent human beings. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/653 "2016-10-08T02:12:27Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Dibs on “Election 2016: Gun Grabber vs. Pussy Grabber”. Wasn’t that the lesbian pilot in _Goldfinger_? ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/654 "2016-10-08T02:12:42Z")
One detail that hasn’t gotten much attention in all this is that Melania was pregnant with his child at the time of this incident. I don’t know why this wasn’t made a more prominent fact in the reporting. Especially among the suburban women Trump is trying to court right now, adding in the pregnancy angle just further amplifies the intense backlash to all of this. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/655 "2016-10-08T02:16:06Z")
I guess you can count me as one of those guys who’s lived his life in a protected bubble, as I have never in my life heard anyone speak the way Trump did in that video. Ever. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/656 "2016-10-08T02:18:01Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > This part of the _Washington Post_ story stuck out for me: > > His support has never been based on shared values?! What the fuck is it based on, then, Tony? > > And add me to the list of men who can’t remember the last time they heard another man talk like Trump. Maybe when I was in high school. Not in adulthood. Maybe I live in a bubble. Maybe I just try to associate with decent human beings. Also… > [@](#): > > “People of faith are voting on issues like who will protect unborn life, defund Planned Parenthood, defend religious liberty and oppose the Iran nuclear deal,” said Ralph Reed, who heads the Faith & Freedom Coalition. “A ten-year-old tape of a private conversation with a talk show host ranks low on their hierarchy of concerns.” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/657 "2016-10-08T02:20:05Z")
No question, if I want someone to give the straight gospel on moral rectumtude, Ralph Reed is the guy! ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/658 "2016-10-08T02:20:34Z")
Paul Ryan finally does the obvious right thing, [cancels appearance with Trump](https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/784560760844349440). ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/659 "2016-10-08T02:20:37Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > I have a dream that a wave of unendorsements is coming. It starts with McCain (who I can see finally not be able to keep up this charade of supporting Trump), spreads to Ryan, and then the floodgates burst. Actually it’s started with [Utah governor Gary Herbert](http://www.sltrib.com/news/4444721-155/after-video-huntsman-says-it-is). And John Huntsman has gone one step further and called on Trump to drop out. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/660 "2016-10-08T02:22:35Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > Especially among the suburban women Trump is trying to court right now, Uh, cite? Because, AFAIK, Trump doesn’t court women; he just grabs them by the pussy. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/661 "2016-10-08T02:23:31Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > Paul Ryan finally does the obvious right thing, [cancels appearance with Trump](https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/784560760844349440). The right thing is for the Spineless Trinity to cut Trump loose. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/662 "2016-10-08T02:23:42Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Uh, cite? > > Because, AFAIK, Trump doesn’t court women; he just grabs them by the pussy. Gives new meaning to “reaching out to women.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=34)