# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/663 "2016-10-08T02:27:13Z")
I’m actually worried that he may drop out. I don’t know if Pence can pull off a win but he’ll definitely be stronger against Hillary. I would hate to see a President Pence. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/664 "2016-10-08T02:29:14Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > I’m actually worried that he may drop out. I don’t know if Pence can pull off a win but he’ll definitely be stronger against Hillary. I would hate to see a President Pence. According to Chuck Todd on Twitter, it’s far too late to change the ballots. They’re stuck with Trump’s name on the ticket. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/665 "2016-10-08T02:31:34Z")
[Kaine’s response](http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/299895-kaine-on-lewd-trump-tapes-makes-me-sick-to-my-stomach) to this outrage has really stuck with me: > [@](#): > > “I’m sad to say I’m not surprised. I should be surprised and shocked. I’m sad to say that I’m not.” Lot of time travel shows on this year. Imagine if you will that you had a magic telegraph that could send back a single news story, just once, to your 2014 self. So you included this story, which includes some (although not all\*) of the outrageous remarks on the tape, plus Kaine’s reaction. What would be more shocking: that the Republican nominee was caught on tape saying this stuff, or that the Democratic vice-presidential nominee was _not surprised_ by it? I would certainly be wondering what the hell else had been going on in 2016 that he could possibly react that way. > [@asahi](#): > > Most “men” who are 18-34 and **not married**? Yeah, they probably do talk that way. About grabbing women by their genitals without their consent? I don’t think so. > [@BobLibDem](#): > > I still say that the problem isn’t Trump, it’s the Trump supporters. He will still garner over 40% of the vote despite being shown to be a opportunistic rapist. You simply cannot support this man and be a decent human- but people still support him. Yes, this is huge. The undecided voters are not going to flock to him. This is going to overshadow the debate like the Death Star. Unless he turns in a stellar debate performance- something he has proven beyond his limited abilities- he’s going to sink in the polls. Yet the Trumpians will stand by their man, they will make excuses for his behavior. I’m sure Kellyann Conway will go in front of the cameras and say this proves how much Trump appreciates women and that it also proves that Hillary is a monster. Yes, she is that much of an ass kisser. He will still carry Mississippi and Alabama and other deep red states. What does that say about these voters? That they will overlook absolutely anything and vote for whatever sociopath carries the R banner? It sure seems that way. Yes. I’ve been saying over and over that if Trump wins, it’s not on Hillary but on the voters. And now that it appears extremely unlikely that he’ll win, it’s still a black mark on the 40 percent that do still vote for him. > [@Aspenglow](#): > > Definitely not missing Bill Maher tonight. 😃 Right? > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > :smack: > > I heard this on NPR just now. It absolutely boggles the mind. And yes, some Trump supporters will believe this. To be fair (and I don’t relish being fair to Trump, but fair’s fair), right wingers have been sore ever since hundreds of noncitizen Latinos were found to have voted for Loretta Sanchez (now a candidate for U.S. Senate), unseating the very conservative Bob Dornan by less than a thousand votes. \*Why is it that a lot of stories about this quote the part of the tape about Trump going after a married woman, but not the part about grabbing women’s genitals without getting consent first? Is the former considered more of a big deal than the latter? I’m suspecting it might be, which I find sickening and outrageous in its own right. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/666 "2016-10-08T02:31:37Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > :dubious: > > Friday’s episode of _Saturday Night Live_ would be unusual; I’ll give you that. But isn’t today Saturday? I spend the entire day at work & everyone was looking forward to the weekend. :smack: > [@running\_coach](#): > > He still hasn’t unendorsed Trump. Doesn’t he have a teenage daughter? I’d kill to see someone corner him and ask what he’d do if one of her classmates was caught bragging about how she’d let him grab her pussy because he’s such a stud. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/667 "2016-10-08T02:38:07Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > I’m actually worried that he may drop out. I don’t know if Pence can pull off a win but he’ll definitely be stronger against Hillary. I would hate to see a President Pence. Trump’s not going to drop out - that would mean admitting he’s a _loser_ who can’t win, which he’s constitutionally incapable of doing. He’ll blather about how the media is being “very unfair” to him, do a softball interview with Hannity where he denies everything and says he “never says that” and “doesn’t talk about it” and “I have a great relationship with women” and “nobody respects women more than Donald Trump”, attack Bill Clinton, call Nancy O’Dell names, rant on Twitter about how she’s a total slut, and keep stumbling on through until Election Day and declare he was “cheated” by the “rigged system” when Hillary wins. Trust me. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/668 "2016-10-08T02:38:41Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > Maybe Ryan does have a sliver of moral fiber after all. > [@running\_coach](#): > > He still hasn’t unendorsed Trump. Ryan has **almost** located his gonads. Reach a little lower, Paul. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/669 "2016-10-08T02:41:06Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Ryan has **almost** located his gonads. Reach a little lower, Paul. Height is not the problem. It’s size. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/670 "2016-10-08T02:48:47Z")
Scottie Nell Hughes (on CNN) is complaining that she doesn’t like the timing of the release of the tape. Paraphrase: It’s not faaaiiir!!! ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/671 "2016-10-08T02:48:49Z")
I actually was going to post about Ryan’s gonads but decided that such crass language was unsuitable for a thread about a topic as sensitive as a Presidential election. Also, how do we know the woman was Nancy O’Dell? Also, Billy Bush is still a pig, but if Trump is paying attention (Newflash-NOT!) [this](http://www.ew.com/article/2016/10/07/billy-bush-trump) is how you apologize: > [@](#): > > “Obviously I’m embarrassed and ashamed. It’s no excuse, but this happened 11 years ago – I was younger, less mature, and acted foolishly in playing along. I’m very sorry.” ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/672 "2016-10-08T02:49:12Z")
Trump needs to drop out of the race. If not, the GOP needs to invoke whatever extraordinary rules in its arsenal and force him to drop out. I have heard similar talk in bars with buddies, but never to that extreme. Further, my bar buddies are not running for President. The GOP needs to grow a pair and drop him. ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/673 "2016-10-08T02:51:48Z")
Man, this year it’s an October Surprise Advent Calendar. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/674 "2016-10-08T02:54:56Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > You guys must live in protective bubbles if you’ve only heard “a handful” of guys talk like that. Only a few that I know of would say that in mixed company, but among the guys? Lots of guys, all the time. I personally dislike that type of banter, and agree that it’s usually assholes who spout it. There are a lot of assholes out there… > > And if I had a nickel for every time someone said “this will be the nail in his coffin” on this MB, I could retire without paying any taxes! > > I give Trump a very low percentage chance to win. Before this latest scandal and after. > [@Voyager](#): > > I lived in an all-male dorm 45 years ago, when sexism was still in. We talked a lot about who we’d like to have in our beds. We never talked like this either - and anyone who did would have been ostracized. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Sex talk is different than groping/sexual assault talk. Do you really hear that stuff “all the time”? > [@pulykamell](#): > > Yeah, I forgot to mention that part myself. Even when I do overhear that kind of talk, it’s never of the grab-her-pussy type. The above quotes are for setting context, not specifically targeting those posters or posts. Here’s a thread from 2006 about a non-rich non-celebrity person with Trump-like attitudes to women. I mention it to provide another pile of posts by guys talking about the difference between “locker room talk” and “sex offender talk.” [My neighbor divides women into three categories. The last is “rape-able.” - Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=384722). For further entertainment, here’s a follow-up thread from two years later by the same poster about the same person. [I wasn't being paranoid about my possibly rapist neighbor after all! - Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=480761). ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/675 "2016-10-08T02:55:35Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > Also, how do we know the woman was Nancy O’Dell? [That’s what Variety is saying.](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/report-women-described-by-trump-is-nancy-o-dell) ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/676 "2016-10-08T02:56:26Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Trump needs to drop out of the race. If not, the GOP needs to invoke whatever extraordinary rules in its arsenal and force him to drop out. > > I have heard similar talk in bars with buddies, but never to that extreme. Further, my bar buddies are not running for President. > > The GOP needs to grow a pair and drop him. I’m not sure there is a mechanism for them dropping him against his will. And, lets be realistic, they knew they were hitching their wagon to this horse’s ass, so if they will not admit that it was a huge mistake. They will ride this to the bitter end. Hopefully he takes a number of senate races with him. Man, is tomorrow night’s debate going to be interesting, or what? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/677 "2016-10-08T02:58:00Z")
> [@leftfield6](#): > > Man, is tomorrow night’s debate going to be interesting, or what? Probably even better than tonight’s episode of SNL. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/678 "2016-10-08T02:58:06Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > This part of the _Washington Post_ story stuck out for me: > > His support has never been based on shared values?! What the fuck is it based on, then, Tony? > > And add me to the list of men who can’t remember the last time they heard another man talk like Trump. Maybe when I was in high school. Not in adulthood. Maybe I live in a bubble. Maybe I just try to associate with decent human beings. Basically it just reinforces the fact that religious conservatives are fucking frauds – and like the worst most despicable cunts on the face of the earth. They’ll use religion as a tool to control other people but hold up the mirror and “Well, God forgives me.” There’s absolutely a relationship between the entrepreneurial cult-like religions in America and the sociopath elements of American capitalism. There is a desire for control, for power and domination over other people, almost as if it is for sport. These bastards to this day fantasize about human bondage – they would implement slavery if they could. They can’t enslave blacks anymore so they’ll just have to settle for pregnant women, illegal migrant laborers, and barely minimum wage workers (preferably with no welfare benefits to speak of). They need God not so much to be able to sleep at night or look at themselves in the mirror – they’re sociopath capitalists after all. But they need God to somehow justify their behavior or to ask for forgiveness before an audience of gullible morons who see a white face blithering away about Jesus and the word of God. “God would want you to forgive a republican for trying to have a threesome outside of my marriage and charging it to a taxpayer-funded credit account – I sometimes read passages from the bible and vote against abortion so it’s all good.” ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/679 "2016-10-08T02:58:42Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Trump needs to drop out of the race. If not, the GOP needs to invoke whatever extraordinary rules in its arsenal and force him to drop out. No, Trump needs to stay in and sink the entire GOP in the Trumptanic. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/680 "2016-10-08T03:00:31Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > Paul Ryan finally does the obvious right thing, [cancels appearance with Trump](https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/784560760844349440). Waiting to see what Trump’s poll numbers say. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/681 "2016-10-08T03:03:23Z")
> [@Raygun99](#): > > Man, this year it’s an October Surprise Advent Calendar. CW seems to be that while dropping this stuff on a Friday used to be a way to get it ignored, now its the best time to do it, since people spend more time on social media during the weekends. So conceivably we have four more Fridays of escalating oppo-dumps. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2016, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/682 "2016-10-08T03:04:14Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Scottie Nell Hughes (on CNN) is complaining that she doesn’t like the timing of the release of the tape. I’m not being sarcastic, here; I’m genuinely curious: what timing _would’ve_ been to her liking? The morning of the first Trump-Clinton debate? The weekend prior to the election? The hour before Mike Pence sat down next to Tim Kaine? When does she think the tape should’ve been released? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=35)