# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 38
### Author:  [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/743 "2016-10-08T04:30:08Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#):
>
> But will his massive ego allow him to step aside?
He really can’t step aside at this point, except maybe to promise that he would resign if elected, which he obviously will not do. _People are already voting_ in some states, and the ballots are already printed and ready in the others.
---
### Author:  [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/744 "2016-10-08T04:30:20Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#):
>
> So has Utah Governor Gary Herbert. Utah wasn’t loving on Trump to begin with and looks like they are the first actual office holders off the ship.
Add Congresswoman Barbara Comstock of Virginia and Senator Mark Kirk of Illinois.
---
### Author:  [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/745 "2016-10-08T04:30:41Z")
> [@psychobunny](#):
>
> Just watched the apology video. Kellyanne Conway clearly wrote it and he read it like there was a **gun to his head**.
(bolding mine)
I think the gun was aimed lower.
---
### Author:  [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/746 "2016-10-08T04:34:02Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#):
>
> Will his massive ego allow him to step aside? I say no. I think he really doesn’t see what the big deal is or why people are so upset and disgusted. I wonder if Ivanka could explain it to him.
>
> I see him blaming Crooked Hillary for everything, including the escalating withdrawal of Republican support. She used her witchy powers to turn them against him or something.
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#):
>
> He really can’t step aside at this point, except maybe to promise that he would resign if elected, which he obviously will not do. _People are already voting_ in some states, and the ballots are already printed and reading in the others.
You are both undoubtedly correct. Given that, I can’t see how Pence can stay on the ticket and have a prayer of ever being POTUS.
---
### Author:  [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/747 "2016-10-08T04:34:16Z")
He just can’t stop digging when in a hole.
---
### Author:  [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/748 "2016-10-08T04:34:17Z")
I would not be at all surprised if there was something _even worse_ waiting to be released in the weeks to come.
Seriously. Trump has been a douchebag for his entire life. There is LOTS of material just waiting to make it into the light of day.
---
### Author:  [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/749 "2016-10-08T04:36:45Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#):
>
> If I was Hillary, I sure as hell wouldn’t shake his hand at the debate and I’d tell him why.
Better yet, ostentatiously put on a rubber glove and spray Lysol on it when he approaches her to shake hands.
---
### Author:  [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/750 "2016-10-08T04:38:01Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
>
> I would not be at all surprised if there was something _even worse_ waiting to be released in the weeks to come.
>
> Seriously. Trump has been a douchebag for his entire life. There is LOTS of material just waiting to make it into the light of day.
I wonder if he had any idea this was out there or if it just came out nowhere.
---
### Author:  [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/751 "2016-10-08T04:38:05Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
>
> I would not be at all surprised if there was something _even worse_ waiting to be released in the weeks to come.
There was some suprisingly frank discussion on Fox News about footage from The Apprentice that the AP got a hold of but decided not to release. Stay tuned. It will be an interesting month.
---
### Author:  [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/752 "2016-10-08T04:38:26Z")
Ralph Reed’s comments strike me as [even more callous](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/10/07/evangelical-leaders-shrug-at-donald-trump-s-lewd-comments.html) than Tony Perkins’s:
> [@](#):
>
> “People of faith are voting on issues like who will protect unborn life, defund Planned Parenthood, defend religious liberty and oppose the Iran nuclear deal,” said Ralph Reed, who heads the Faith & Freedom Coalition. “A ten-year-old tape of a private conversation with a talk show host ranks low on their hierarchy of concerns.”[…]
>
> The comments Trump made are gross, as his social conservative backers concede. But, to these Evangelicals, “grab them by the pussy” doesn’t sound quite as bad as “President Hillary Clinton.”
It’s actually pretty nice that these guys have been so well set up to have their incredible hypocrisy exposed. Never again can they get away with wagging their fingers and lecturing us that “character matters”.
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#):
>
> Like I said, a NEW plan :).
>
> For real, though, if Republicans wanna make the same bed in 2020, I’m not going to try too hard to stop them.
That’s interesting, because I could have sworn you were one of those pillorying me for trying to get Trump nominated, out of a similar mindset as you describe here.
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#):
>
> Add Congresswoman Barbara Comstock of Virginia and Senator Mark Kirk of Illinois.
I don’t know anything about Comstock, but Kirk has been harshly against Trump for months.
---
### Author:  [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/753 "2016-10-08T04:39:43Z")
Scottie Nell Hughes looks _stressed._ Like she’s about to lose it.
---
### Author:  [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/754 "2016-10-08T04:40:15Z")
Wow. On live TV, CNN panelist Anna Navarro just said **pussy** loudly and clearly in an impassioned rant. Other panelists were visibly stunned that the word was said in that moment. This has been a stunning day.
---
### Author:  [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/755 "2016-10-08T04:41:55Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#):
>
> It’s actually pretty nice that these guys have been so well set up to have their incredible hypocrisy exposed. Never again can they get away with wagging their fingers and lecturing us that “character matters”.
The religious right has become a parody of itself at this point. 35 years ago, or 20 years ago, or even 10 years ago, the idea that the leaders of the Moral Majority would be going to war for a candidate who bragged about adultery and sexual assault would have been considered impossible.
Now it’s par for the course.
---
### Author:  [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/756 "2016-10-08T04:43:38Z")
And the end of his apology sounded like a tease to the next episode of his reality show.
“Bill Clinton has actually abused women, and Hillary has bullied, attacked, shamed and intimidated his victims. We will discuss this more in the coming days-- see you at the debate on Sunday!”
---
### Author:  [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/757 "2016-10-08T04:44:11Z")
Time to dust off this view from a conservative evangelical that I linked to awhile ago:
> **[Why Nominating Donald J. Trump Would Be a Catastrophe — DR. BRIAN MATTSON](http://drbrianmattson.com/journal/2016/1/23/why-nominating-donald-j-trump-would-be-a-catastrophe)**
>
> The subject of my last post was why I believe nominating Ted Cruz is a mistake. In a nutshell, Cruz has a more limited upside than others when it comes to getting enough votes in a general election. I don't doubt the sincerity of his conservatism,...
[QUOTE=Dr. Brian Mattson - 1/23/2016]
\*\*Why Nominating Donald J. Trump Would Be a Catastrophe
\*\*
[/QUOTE]
> [@](#):
>
> I don’t think enough people are willing to say that. In fact, almost nobody is willing to say that. But I am a Christian theologian, one dedicated to “public” theology. So let me say this theological truth publicly: Donald Trump is not an upright man. If character and integrity matters to you, and it should, then Trump should be nowhere near your list of possible candidates.
>
> If you doubt me on this, if you think I’m way out on a limb, if you think that sort of judgment is beyond the pale, I simply challenge you to pick up a Bible and read the book of Proverbs from cover to cover. It won’t take you that long. You will find hundreds of wise aphorisms taking the form of “The wise man does X… the fool does X.” You will find very few of those formulations, if any, wherein Donald Trump sits on the wisdom side of the equation. This man is, in the biblical sense of the word, a fool.
> [@](#):
>
> **Do you think a narcissist, wheeling-and-dealing businessman like Donald Trump has a few skeletons in his closet? No. He’s got** _ **warehouses** _. Do you think a blowhard like Donald Trump may have said a few unsavory things that could be used against him in campaign ads? Um, you think? By the time Election Day 2016 arrives, this will be nothing more than a coronation of the Democrat candidate. You can count on that.
>
> Catastrophe Number One: Nominate Donald Trump, and Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders will be your next President.
>
> Catastrophe Number Two: Evangelical Christians have often been too enamored with politics, to be sure. There have been a lot excesses, a lot of putting our hope and trust in Princes. **Nevertheless, in our insistence upon character and integrity we have been a preservative moral salt and effective moral leaven to our political process. We force politicians to pay real tribute to the great moral issues of the day: human dignity, the right to life, freedom of conscience. Collectively seeking to make Donald Trump the GOP nominee, we will become (as Jesus himself puts it) morally worthless.** “To be trampled upon by men.” If we get what we want, a strong-armed leader who promises near godlike powers to “get things done,” we just might find ourselves and our freedoms literally “trampled upon.”
---
### Author:  [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/758 "2016-10-08T04:45:46Z")
> [@leftfield6](#):
>
> Wow. On live TV, CNN panelist Anna Navarro just said **pussy** loudly and clearly in an impassioned rant. Other panelists were visibly stunned that the word was said in that moment. This has been a stunning day.
And she said it again and Hughes objected because her daughter is listening.
She’s not bothered by Trump saying it.
---
### Author:  [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/759 "2016-10-08T04:47:24Z")
> [@leftfield6](#):
>
> Wow. On live TV, CNN panelist Anna Navarro just said **pussy** loudly and clearly in an impassioned rant. Other panelists were visibly stunned that the word was said in that moment. This has been a stunning day.
You wrote Ana Navarro but for whatever reason I pictured Katrina Pierson, and I thought that Trump’s most incompetent surrogate (setting aside his sons, because they are familiy and what are you going to do) used that word.
My head damn near asploded, then I realized how confused I was. And yet, this year, it seemed plausible.
---
### Author:  [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/760 "2016-10-08T04:47:58Z")
> [@running\_coach](#):
>
> And she said it again and Hughes objected because her daughter is listening.
> She’s not bothered by Trump saying it.
Wow. If those two were in the same studio, I think they may have to physically separate them
---
### Author:  [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/761 "2016-10-08T04:48:16Z")
Sure. Saying a word is a problem. Sexual assault --no big deal.
---
### Author:  [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/762 "2016-10-08T04:49:38Z")
> [@Raygun99](#):
>
> Man, this year it’s an October Surprise Advent Calendar.
That is a brilliant piece of imagery. Bravo!
[Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=37)
[Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=39)