# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/783 "2016-10-08T06:36:24Z")
> [@OttoDaFe](#):
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> Plus, whatever his facial expression and (what I could see of) his body language were communicating, it sure as hell wasn’t contrition.
“Defiant” would be the word I would use.
> [@OttoDaFe](#):
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> Chris O’Donnell on MSNBC had three women — an NBC reporter and one each Democratic and Republican campaign manager — in the studio, and he said after TD’s video aired that when he went off on the “distraction” tangent every one of them reacted as if an air bag had gone off in her face.
I think you mean Lawrence O’Donnell, but yeah, I saw that too. Not good.
And for the record, it appears Fox STILL hasn’t run Trump’s apology tape or much of anything about this story. They are in full-on hurricane mode and not deviating at all.
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### Author:  [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/784 "2016-10-08T06:55:34Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#):
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> Imagine not knowing this was going to happen.
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> Then imagine being a major political party and not having the foresight or organizational checks to prevent this.
\*Bush Compound, December 16th, 2015 \*
JEB: “Durn it! We just have to get something on this Trump guy? Anybody have any ideas?”
BARBARA: “Not me, son.”
DUBYA: “Like my new painting?”
GHWB: “I used to be head of the CIA, but… nothing, not a thing, not gonna do it.”
BILLY: “Er… not me!”
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### Author:  [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/785 "2016-10-08T07:18:44Z")
I’m with those who think that this revelation has been held back, just waiting until the right moment to drop the bomb.
There is probably some campaign group who has a store of these little gems, and so we’ll get more. The reason for waiting so close to the election is that it gives Trump less time to react or to fight back.
Back in the day I was a fan of the show Babylon 5. This reminds me of an episode "Born to the Purple, in which it was shown many prominent families of the Centauri race kept so-called “Purple Files” These were collections of dirt on other families, to be brought out as needed.
I have a feeling Trump is going to be bleeding purple soon. What do you want to bet every show that ever had him on it is, right now, going through their tapes at light speed, looking for good stuff?
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### Author:  [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/786 "2016-10-08T07:33:17Z")
> [@Raygun99](#):
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> Man, this year it’s an October Surprise Advent Calendar.
:::::::applause::::::::I am so stealing that line
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### Author:  [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/787 "2016-10-08T07:50:15Z")
> [@Baker](#):
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> There is probably some campaign group who has a store of these little gems, and so we’ll get more. The reason for waiting so close to the election is that it gives Trump less time to react or to fight back.
Also they will try to time them to counter any October surprises coming against Clinton.
The Trump video preemptively neutralized Wikileaks highly anticipated attempt to cause a big Clinton scandal. It is barely even visible on any news sites while the Trump video is the top story on every one.
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### Author:  [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/788 "2016-10-08T07:50:31Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#):
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> As for Pence, I understand everything you are saying but I am also taking reports Pence’s wife is livid about this tape into consideration. They have two young daughters and looking them in the face will be difficult.
Why was it not difficult looking them in the eye a week ago?
Anybody with integrity could already see what type of person Trump was without needing videos like these to hammer home the fact, if people like Pence now want to pretend that videos like this change anything then they are just full of shit.
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### Author:  [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/789 "2016-10-08T08:04:55Z")
> [@ZebraShaSha](#):
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> Of all the lessons future candidates might learn from this tire fire of an election, “don’t piss off the media” might be at the top. The Washington Post is going to get a Pulitzer for this shit, The Donald is going to be ruined after November. His public reputation is trashed, his charity is in shambles, his brand will be worthless unless he can sponsor a NASCAR team… well done, media.
Sorry. I doubt that your projected future is accurate.
Trump runs on anything that inflates his ego and denies anything that would harm the ego of a person with more humanity.
His charity, like most of his enterprises, appears to have been a sham, so its loss is no issue. His “brand” does not need 100% support. Few television shows since the rise of cable, to say nothing of the internet, have needed anything like 20% of potential viewers to be successful. The Apprentice was moderately successful for over ten years and in its largest audience in its most successful season it only garnered fewer than 29 million viewers–roughly 1 in 10 people in the U.S. at the time. His current “popularity” was around 30% before this current tape’s release, and he will not lose two thirds of his supporters among the sort of people who have already supported him after his remarks regarding Megyn Kelly and others.
If he can attract attention, he can sell his “brand” in a number of enterprises.
(I suspect that he might have a bit more trouble getting funding for property gambles with the amount of publicity that his tendency to abandon projects, stiffing his investors and creditors, has produced, but even there, he can probably con enough investors to continue rolling along.)
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### Author:  [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/790 "2016-10-08T08:43:42Z")
> [@tomndebb](#):
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> Trump runs on anything that inflates his ego and denies anything that would harm the ego of a person with **more** humanity.
My bolding. Cite?
Is there any indication that he has _any_ humanity?
More on Mormon influence on the election:
The [Salt Lake Tribune](http://www.sltrib.com/home/4390081-155/new-tribune-hinckley-poll-trump-leads-clinton?fullpage=1) has Trump at 34% and Clinton at 25%. This is a state where the average vote for GOP presidential candidates is something like 65%. However, Clinton has an unfavorable rating of 71% in the state (and I can personally attest to that, judging by what my uber LDS relatives shared on Facebook before I unfriended the entire lot). Similar to other states, Trump’s numbers are better for men than for women.
Johnson is polling at 13% and Evan McMullin at 12%. It actually isn’t impossible for Utah to actually go blue. If he were to lose half his support which was divided between the two third party candidates, HRC would win. It’s not likely, but has a greater than 0% change. (Other polls show Trump at 44%, if so, it would make a Clinton win really difficult.)
RCP has Utah as a likely Trump, the first time in my memory that it was not a safe state.
This could hurt Trump in Arizona, as 5% of the population is LDS and the vast majority of them would be GOP supporters. He’s now down 2% and losing half the LDS votes could make the difference. This scenario seems more likely than losing Utah.
Idaho is another state with a high percentage of Mormons, at 19%, but the numbers are worse there than in Utah. Likewise, Wyoming is 9%, but solidly Trump.
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### Author:  [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/791 "2016-10-08T08:50:12Z")
A new SNL tonight. Alec Baldwin as Trump again.
Be there. Aloha.
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### Author:  [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/792 "2016-10-08T08:55:09Z")
> [@Crazyhorse](#):
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> Also they will try to time them to counter any October surprises coming against Clinton.
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> The Trump video preemptively neutralized Wikileaks highly anticipated attempt to cause a big Clinton scandal. It is barely even visible on any news sites while the Trump video is the top story on every one.
Do really think there are any significant “October surprises” coming for Clinton? Anything more than “she sneezed and didn’t wash her hands”?
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### Author:  [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/793 "2016-10-08T08:59:50Z")
Everyone in my house is looking forward to seeing Trump fall to his knees, with tears in eyes, beseeching The Lord for forgiveness, like so many other failed evangelists.
It should make for Great TV. Wanna guess how many suckers will buy it?
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### Author:  [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/794 "2016-10-08T09:03:55Z")
> [@bengangmo](#):
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> Do really think there are any significant “October surprises” coming for Clinton? Anything more than “she sneezed and didn’t wash her hands”?
Sure. Well, significant is relative to the audience. But one was/is the Wikileaks ‘scandal’ but as I mentioned the Trump video preemptively neutralized it. It would certainly be at the top of the news cycle this week if it weren’t for the Trump video.
Trump has also been laying the groundwork to say ‘some really nasty things’ about Bill Clinton’s treatment of women. It was very likely planned to be a primary line of attack in the next debate. My guess that won’t go over very well either in light of recent news.
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### Author:  [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/795 "2016-10-08T09:14:11Z")
I can’t help wondering if this is going to cause a storm-surge of Bill Cosbian proportions, as women come forward saying, that they’re all victims of the Gropenfuhrer.
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### Author:  [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/796 "2016-10-08T09:19:14Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#):
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> Why was it not difficult looking them in the eye a week ago?
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> Anybody with integrity could already see what type of person Trump was without needing videos like these to hammer home the fact, if people like Pence now want to pretend that videos like this change anything then they are just full of shit.
Exactly. It’s annoying that this is the thing that gets everyone upset. People should be upset more simply because Trump is such a pathological bullshitter.
His supporters think that he’s some kind of anti-politician, “telling it like it is,” when in fact _ **he is the ultimate politician** _. A walking, bullshit-spewing asshole, who will say anything to get elected.
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### Author:  [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/797 "2016-10-08T09:23:38Z")
> [@RickJay](#):
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> Incidentally, am I the only person whose opinion of Trump hasn’t changed at all because this is, to me, about as much a revelation as the fan the sun is shiny? Of course he’s said thing like this. You all knew he had, right?
I have loathed that man since the '70s, have always considered him the most repugnant human being on the planet.
And I wish Ana Navarro could run for President. I could even turn Republican to vote for her.
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### Author:  [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/798 "2016-10-08T09:24:13Z")
> [@guizot](#):
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> Exactly. It’s annoying that this is the thing that gets everyoneguizo upset. People should be upset more simply because Trump is such a pathological bullshitter.
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> His supporters think that he’s some kind of anti-politician, “telling it like it is,” when in fact _ **he is the ultimate politician** _. A walking, bullshit-spewing asshole, who will say anything to get elected.
I for one support this pit by guizot. Touché!
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### Author:  [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/799 "2016-10-08T09:32:35Z")
> [@Baker](#):
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> I’m with those who think that this revelation has been held back, just waiting until the right moment to drop the bomb.
No question at all. Some Democrat operative probably hunted this stuff down months ago. Ditto for the tax returns. And I’ll be surprised if there isn’t more dirty laundry, dug out from under rocks, just waiting for the right time to be released. Get your heavy duty washing machine ready, you’re going to need it by the end of this election.
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### Author:  [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/800 "2016-10-08T09:37:00Z")
How can Trump now not be toast?
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### Author:  [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/801 "2016-10-08T09:38:51Z")
A big meh from me. I mean not the contents of the video, thats despicable. But, does anyone really not think he has not said such thing about 50,000 times since his balls dropped? Have you followed him the whole time he has been in the public eye?
I agree with **John Mace** upthread; the whole claims of “Trump has gone too far this time, he is screwed now” is a movie we have all seen many many times before and his earlier missteps have not hurt him fatally and I doubt this will.
[QUOTE=Quartz]
How can Trump now not be toast?]
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Because he is Trump, the regular rules don’t apply to him. The people who wish to vote for him; don’t care. The ones who are undecided; again, if they had any morals qualms about voting for him, they would not still be undecided. All the people who cannot get themselves to vote for Mrs Clinton; are not going to be pulled from their lethargy. Thats what he is betting on.
I mean the only thing that changes is that the Secret Service has to have a protocol by which nubile young female interns/agents are kept as far away from his as possible when he’s elected.
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### Author:  [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/802 "2016-10-08T09:48:43Z")
Plus, the guy was/is best of buds with Vince McMahon. He appeared on WrestleMania for crying out loud. The WWE (especially back then) had this kind of stuff on at all times, sexual innuendo of the worst kind (kiss-my-ass-club anyone?) and those videos are all over YouTube for anyone to find. You think his supporters don’t know (and frankly approve)
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