# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 41
### Author:  [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/803 "2016-10-08T10:12:55Z")
> [@kunilou](#):
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> Actually it’s started with [Utah governor Gary Herbert](http://www.sltrib.com/news/4444721-155/after-video-huntsman-says-it-is). And John Huntsman has gone one step further and called on Trump to drop out.
Isn’t it too late to do that? They can’t take him off the ballot, all those deadlines are long gone. They made this bed of shit, let them lie in it.
Also, **Smapti**? I take back what I said about taking off the P in Trump. “VOTE 4 RUMP” was the perfect edit. Are you psychic? :dubious:
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### Author:  [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/804 "2016-10-08T10:45:12Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> You guys must live in protective bubbles if you’ve only heard “a handful” of guys talk like that. Only a few that I know of would say that in mixed company, but among the guys? Lots of guys, all the time. I personally dislike that type of banter, and agree that it’s usually assholes who spout it. There are a lot of assholes out there…
You hang out with scum. Or you’re a High School sophomore.
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### Author:  [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/805 "2016-10-08T11:17:21Z")
Our house can’t wait to see that pig felching Sean Hannity on FOX defend Trump on [this one!](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html) Bring extra buttered popcorn. Bonus points if you bring Milk Duds.
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### Author:  [@soonerblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/soonerblue)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/806 "2016-10-08T11:22:02Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#):
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> No. Saying that is something a narcissistic megalomaniac might say. Most guys are gentlemen who don’t see women as a just another fortress needing conquered.
I used to tend bar on a military base, in an officer’s club. You cannot believe the crude, lewd braggadocio I’ve overheard.
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### Author:  [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/807 "2016-10-08T11:26:03Z")
> [@soonerblue](#):
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> I used to tend bar on a military base, in an officer’s club. You cannot believe the crude, lewd braggadocio I’ve overheard.
In my military experience, talk of groping and sexual assault was over the line.
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### Author:  [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/808 "2016-10-08T11:31:26Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#):
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> Yeah, there is no surprise for me about Trump being such a pig.
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> As for Pence, I understand everything you are saying but I am also taking reports Pence’s wife is livid about this tape into consideration. They have two young daughters and looking them in the face will be difficult. **Pence’s religious faith seems to be genuine and it will difficult to reconcile with Trump’s words.** If he sticks it out then it will be clear where his priorities lie. I expect that will bite him in the ass during any future run for POTUS.
Not that difficult.
[Top Evangelicals Stand By Trump Despite His Vulgar Comments About Sleeping With Married Woman](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/evangelicals-trump_us_57f83051e4b068ecb5de95fb)
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> Some of the country’s most prominent religious conservatives are still supporting Donald Trump even after 2005 audio published by The Washington Post and NBC News revealed him making vulgar comments about women and extramarital sex.
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> “I’ve listened to the tape, my view is that people of faith are voting on issues like who will protect unborn life, defend religious freedom, create jobs, and oppose the Iran nuclear deal,” Ralph Reed, the chairman of the Faith and Freedom Coalition and a member of Trump’s religious advisory board, said in a statement. “I think a 10-year-old tape of a private conversation with a TV talk show host ranks pretty low on their hierarchy of concerns.”
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> Family Research Council president Tony Perkins, another Trump supporter, told BuzzFeed **he isn’t concerned with sharing “values” with the GOP nominee.**
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### Author:  [@computergeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/computergeek)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/809 "2016-10-08T11:44:05Z")
> [@running\_coach](#):
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> Not that difficult.
> [Top Evangelicals Stand By Trump Despite His Vulgar Comments About Sleeping With Married Woman](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/evangelicals-trump_us_57f83051e4b068ecb5de95fb)
The Christian Right will have a lot to answer for when this election is over. They (and some of the GOP leadership) basically sold their souls for some Supreme Court picks
I’m not sure why Trump’s latest vulgar comments have the GOP leadership running for cover when previous stuff like racism and promises to completely upend our alliances didn’t. But whatever it takes.
Clinton must be thanking her lucky stars this hit at the same time the leak of her speech transcripts hit. It’s like no one cares about that or they aren’t all that interesting. As usual though, anything surrounding her gets superseded by what Trump does. If it wasn’t for Trump continually stepping on his d\*ck, he would probably be running away with this election if you just go by the press coverage
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### Author:  [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/810 "2016-10-08T11:48:59Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#):
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> Our house can’t wait to see that pig felching Sean Hannity on FOX defend Trump on [this one!](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html) Bring extra buttered popcorn. Bonus points if you bring Milk Duds.
The members of our humble abode have convened and agreed that Hannity is a [Tool](http://www.newcity.com/2012/10/10/dime-stories-the-tool) for Trump. We also had a quorum and agreed that if you can’t bring Milk Duds, bring [Goobers.](https://www.amazon.com/Nestle-Goobers-Movie-Theatre-Concession/dp/B000PJ959S)
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### Author:  [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/811 "2016-10-08T12:13:21Z")
> [@computergeek](#):
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> …
> I’m not sure why Trump’s latest vulgar comments have the GOP leadership running for cover when previous stuff like racism and promises to completely upend our alliances didn’t. But whatever it takes…
Perhaps the GOP thinks it can get by without certain minorities–races, ethnicities, religions, people who think. But alienating 50% of the population is a bad idea.
Back in 1990, Ann Richards was running against Clayton Williams for Governor of Texas. He was ahead–but then was reported to have made a rape joke. Nothing as borderline illegal as Trump’s remarks, but still pretty rude. She won.
Ann said he’d reminded too many Texas women of their first husbands…
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### Author:  [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/812 "2016-10-08T12:14:28Z")
[Here’s an article](http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/leaked-emails-appear-reveal-contents-clinton-s-wall-street-speeches-n662291) about the leaked private speech transcripts of Hillary’s, referred to by computergeek a few posts ago.
Eh, everything she said in those excerpts is more or less true, and I agree with nearly all of it. All her career, she’s been blamed for being too scripted, too self-editing, too wishy-washy. Now she’ll get blamed for the opposite – for speaking boldly, for showing vision, for taking a stand? Man, she can’t win!
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### Author:  [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/813 "2016-10-08T12:14:45Z")
> [@AK84](#):
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> Plus, the guy was/is best of buds with Vince McMahon. He appeared on WrestleMania for crying out loud. The WWE (especially back then) had this kind of stuff on at all times, sexual innuendo of the worst kind (kiss-my-ass-club anyone?) and those videos are all over YouTube for anyone to find. You think his supporters don’t know (and frankly approve)
Yeah, I agree with the idea that his hard core supporters are not going to go away. Heck, I took a look at Breitbart a few minutes ago (I know, I’m brave like that), and it was universal “just boys being boys, I hear that kind of guy talk all the time” excusing it away.
But the undecided voter? How can this not have an affect?
Yeah, we all knew he was this guy. The video is not surprising at all. But to an undecided voter, I think this is a " I just can’t vote for this guy" moment.
Until he grabs you by the pussy, you just try to think maybe he isn’t really all that bad.
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### Author:  [@computergeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/computergeek)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/814 "2016-10-08T12:19:02Z")
> [@leftfield6](#):
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> Yeah, I agree with the idea that his hard core supporters are not going to go away. Heck, I took a look at Breitbart a few minutes ago (I know, I’m brave like that), and it was universal “just boys being boys, I hear that kind of guy talk all the time” excusing it away.
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> But the undecided voter? How can this not have an affect?
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> Yeah, we all knew he was this guy. The video is not surprising at all. But to an undecided voter, I think this is a " I just can’t vote for this guy" moment.
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> Until he grabs you by the pussy, you just try to think maybe he isn’t really all that bad.
It seems like knowing he’s said things like this is one thing. Actually hearing it via video or audio seems to sink in for a lot of people and make it more real.
As for those who never liked the guy and wonder if others felt the same, I recall during the early Apprentice days, I thought he was a braggart and full of himself and didn’t like him then because he always talked about himself and seemed to exaggerate a lot. I don’t recall the gropey women stuff, except for cheating on his first wife with his second
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### Author:  [@computergeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/computergeek)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/815 "2016-10-08T12:22:05Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#):
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> Perhaps the GOP thinks it can get by without certain minorities–races, ethnicities, religions, people who think. But alienating 50% of the population is a bad idea.
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> Back in 1990, Ann Richards was running against Clayton Williams for Governor of Texas. He was ahead–but then was reported to have made a rape joke. Nothing as borderline illegal as Trump’s remarks, but still pretty rude. She won.
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> Ann said he’d reminded too many Texas women of their first husbands…
You know, I’m thinking the same thing. Threatening and insulting minorities doesn’t really matter to the GOP; it’s just minorities after all. Talk about white women in a way that makes your wife and daughters mad and upset is a whole 'nother matter
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### Author:  [@Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patty_O_Furniture)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/816 "2016-10-08T12:39:00Z")
Will this matter to women? Let’s hope so. Exclusive @FiveThirtyEight projection on what the Electoral College would look like if women refuse to vote Trump:
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### Author:  [@computergeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/computergeek)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/817 "2016-10-08T12:40:52Z")
Of course, Hillary needs to be careful about using Trump’s comments given Bill’s known misbehavior and accusations of rape and other stuff.
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### Author:  [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/818 "2016-10-08T12:51:52Z")
> [@leftfield6](#):
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> Y
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> But the undecided voter? How can this not have an affect?
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> Yeah, we all knew he was this guy. The video is not surprising at all. But to an undecided voter, I think this is a " I just can’t vote for this guy" moment.
:dubious:
So, if you are an “undecided” all the open racism,xenophobia, misogyny, and general display of unfitness are not an "I just can’t vote for this Guy moment " but, a crass and vulgar video where in essence he says that rich and famous guys find it very easy to get laid; is?
I don’t think its going to have a measurable impact on the election.
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### Author:  [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/819 "2016-10-08T12:52:17Z")
> [@computergeek](#):
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> Of course, Hillary needs to be careful about using Trump’s comments given Bill’s known misbehavior and accusations of rape and other stuff.
No, she doesn’t. A small number of GOP partisans believe Hillary is responsible for Bill or did something inexcusable by believing her husband and staying with him.
The rest of the country doesn’t feel that way.
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### Author:  [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/820 "2016-10-08T12:57:40Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#):
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> That’s interesting, because I could have sworn you were one of those pillorying me for trying to get Trump nominated, out of a similar mindset as you describe here.
If you can’t figure out the difference, I’m not gonna spend any time helping you out here, buddy.
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### Author:  [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/821 "2016-10-08T13:10:52Z")
> [@AK84](#):
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> :dubious:
> So, if you are an “undecided” all the open racism,xenophobia, misogyny, and general display of unfitness are not an "I just can’t vote for this Guy moment " but, a crass and vulgar video where in essence he says that rich and famous guys find it very easy to get laid; is?
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> I don’t think its going to have a measurable impact on the election.
That’s not what this video says. It says he commits sexual assault.
Also, did you miss the beauty contestant thing? That hit hard even though Trump is well known for saying bad stuff about women. The tax thing hit hard even though we knew he was a bad business man. The Trump Foundation thing hit hard even though we knew he was corrupt.
Having specific examples when everyone is actually finally paying attention helps.
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### Author:  [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/822 "2016-10-08T13:15:02Z")
Trump’s video apology was part hostage statement and part child lashing out at others “I’m sorry if you’re sad that I broke the cookie jar but the dog peed on the floor” type of thing. For the first time in his life, Trump has to answer for something and he doesn’t have a clue how to do it. The first third of Sunday’s debate is going to be all about this, what they should do is put a popcorn machine onstage so Hillary has something to munch on while she watches the moderators and the audience give Trump a rectal enlargement.
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