# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/843 "2016-10-08T14:17:33Z")
> [@AK84](#):
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> Where does he talk about rape or sexual assault in the video.
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> In neither case is he suggesting or saying that he acted without consent and in the second case he specifically says he was acting with it.
For real?
> [@Trump](#):
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> I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait.
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> And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.
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> Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.
If you grab someone’s genitals without waiting, without obtaining consent for the grab, that’s sexual assault. That’s acting without consent. That’s not ambiguous.
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### Author:  [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/844 "2016-10-08T14:23:19Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> Lots of guys are pigs. Lots. And the love talking about sex. Maybe not so much 60-year-old guys (I think Trump would have been about that age when he made the comments), but younger guys? Yep. And not just HS sophomores. Put guys together and bragging about sexual conquests is SOP. I hate to burst your protective bubble, but that’s the way it is.
“Bragging about sexual conquests” is not the same thing as “bragging about sexual _assaults_”.
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### Author:  [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/845 "2016-10-08T14:25:00Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#):
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> I can see where in future years being able to say, “I never endorsed Trump” or “I rescinded my endorsement of Trump” might be helpful, but let’s face it - most voters won’t care too much in 2 or 4 or 6 years. So is there a big upside to disavowing him now?
Well, even if it’s not “a big upside”, figure it’s _not a big downside._ Imagine you’re a man who’s endorsed Trump, and you haven’t rescinded; you’re going to get asked about that, in public, and on live national television, right? Do you _want_ that?
Do you want to stammer a half-hearted defense of the guy while cold-eyed women stare into your soul? Do you want to double down, saying it’s just locker-room talk, no big deal, boys will be boys, I’ve said stuff like that myself, let’s give the man a pass for grabbing women by the pussy?
Or do you want to make that problem go away, right now, before anyone asks?
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### Author:  [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/846 "2016-10-08T14:25:47Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> Lots of guys are pigs.
But this particular level of pig is not _the norm_. Not _the majority_. And should not be in charge.
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### Author:  [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/847 "2016-10-08T14:28:59Z")
Heck, **The Other Waldo Pepper** , among some people there is admiration for going down with the ship even when the sinking is the captain’s own fault. And I already think less of those who chose to bend their knee and bow their head in fear of the wrath of “Trump voters”, but I know others will come up on 2020 and say “well, I can’t condemn them for it, once he was the candidate what could they do?”
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### Author:  [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/848 "2016-10-08T14:35:37Z")
People keep asking “Who are these undecideds? And why would this new disgusting revelation move them to vote for Hillary if all the other damning evidence against Trump hasn’t done so?” I think in past elections the undecideds were people genuinely torn between the two candidates. I’m starting to suspect that in this election the undecideds are people torn between voting for Hillary and not voting at all. The people who typically lean GOP, but know that Trump is bad news, yet are having a hard time coming to terms with voting for Hillary Clinton. White suburban some-college soccer moms, ferinstance. This may actually get them off the fence to vote for Hillary, rather than stay home on Nov. 8.
I predict the undecided #s will begin to drastically swing toward Hillary.
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### Author:  [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/849 "2016-10-08T14:36:41Z")
> [@JohnT](#):
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> Seriously, believe that if you wish. Reporters get led, guided. “Hey, David, why don’t you check out the Foundation paperwork.”
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> The Dems did their oppo research on Trump and have been feeding this on their own schedule.
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> In short: I don’t believe in coincidences, and all this shit coming down within the same 3 weeks, a mere month before the election ends, is too f\*\*\*\*\*\* coincidental.
You think Clinton campaign operatives have had access to unaired, 11 year old B-roll footage from Access Hollywood for perhaps months? I think it is an extraordinary claim that I’m not ready to buy into. It is possible, of course, that the Clinton camp knew of this video for a long time, but people also overestimate what opposition research is, thinking that it’s like what you see on TV where political detectives can get their hands on everything you’ve ever done.
And it is clear from the WaPo story on how the story broke that the video was being uncovered in two ways: the tip to the Post, and Access Hollywood was about to break the story at the same time. It sure sounds like the Access Hollywood discovery of the footage was independent of a tip.
[https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/lifestyle/style/the-caller-had-a-lewd-tape-of-donald-trump-then-the-race-was-on/2016/10/07/31d74714-8ce5-11e6-875e-2c1bfe943b66\_story.html](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/lifestyle/style/the-caller-had-a-lewd-tape-of-donald-trump-then-the-race-was-on/2016/10/07/31d74714-8ce5-11e6-875e-2c1bfe943b66_story.html)
There’s no way to know right now, of course, but it seems equally plausible that someone at Access Hollywood thought NBC News wasn’t moving on the story so they called the top reporter in the US on all things Trump.
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### Author:  [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/850 "2016-10-08T14:39:36Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#):
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> Journey with me now to an alternate America, where back in 2008 the first black presidential candidate from a major party was taped patiently explaining that his hobbies range from ‘grabbing white women by the pussy’ to ‘putting the moves on married white women’. Oh, and he hasn’t paid taxes in like twenty years.
And he has 5 children by 3 different women.
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### Author:  [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/851 "2016-10-08T14:43:55Z")
> [@JohnT](#):
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> Demographics argue against this interpretation. You can’t win nationally with just the white vote.
Then it won’t help them much. But that’s what I think the Republican party will do: pretend that Donald Trump didn’t happen.
> [@](#):
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> You’re correct of course, the GOP doesn’t have to change, but if they don’t they are effectively marginalized at the national level.
That’s what I thought after the Bush administration. Obama’s victories should have both been massive blowouts. That they weren’t shows that Republicans are very good at being told to forget their own party’s mistakes.
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### Author:  [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/852 "2016-10-08T14:44:31Z")
[And has been accused of raping a child.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html)
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### Author:  [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/853 "2016-10-08T14:44:37Z")
When Republicans send their candidates, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending criminals, they’re sending rapists… And, I assume, some are good people.
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### Author:  [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/854 "2016-10-08T14:45:19Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> Lots of guys are pigs. Lots. And the love talking about sex. Maybe not so much 60-year-old guys (I think Trump would have been about that age when he made the comments), but younger guys? Yep. And not just HS sophomores. Put guys together and bragging about sexual conquests is SOP. I hate to burst your protective bubble, but that’s the way it is.
Yeah, but what of it? Do you not think people who feel they have to do this to prove their man-cred are, deep down, assholes?
Nevertheless, I’m actually going to agree with **Mace** (if I understand the argument, which is not guaranteed): this, on its own, is not the campaign-ending reason not to vote for Trump. But I think we can all agree it doesn’t exactly make him a MORE attractive candidate, right?
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### Author:  [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/855 "2016-10-08T14:47:22Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> When Republicans send their candidates, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending criminals, they’re sending rapists… And, I assume, some are good people.
[slow clap, building to massive applause]
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### Author:  [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/856 "2016-10-08T14:49:27Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> When Republicans send their candidates, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending criminals, they’re sending rapists… And, I assume, some are good people.
I was with you up to the last part.
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### Author:  [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/857 "2016-10-08T14:59:39Z")
> [@leftfield6](#):
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> But then the state by state ballot issues get really sticky. It’s past every single states deadline to pull/change names on a ballot, so that’s a mess.
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> Also, if the Cheeto is booted out, it’s not like Pence automatically becomes the man. Remember, he was nominated at the RNC to fill the role of VICE President. His “automatic replacement” of the head of the ticket is only recognized IF the Republicans win, not before.
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> Some states (Alabama, Maine, Massachusetts, Mississippi, South Carolina, Vermont, and Wyoming) go by candidate. In the case of those states, unless Donald J Trump directly releases the electors from those states, they are required by law to vote for him. If Donald is booted against his will, I can’t see him being gracious,
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> It would be a mess. That’s why I think they will ride this ship right into the gigantic iceberg. I think they may even be accelerating.
1. The RNC can nominate Pence or anyone else.
2. The early voters who already voted for Trump merely voted for the slate of electors pledged to Trump. If Trump withdraws, or is forced out, they have implicitly voted for those electors to make a reasoned decision for the candidate that they will vote for. (or see #3 below)
3. If some states can somehow force the electors to vote for Trump (and the constitutionality of this has never been challenged), then one of two things will happen:
a) Clinton wins more EVs than the combined Trump-Kasich (or Trump-Pence). Same result as before. Clinton wins.
b) Trump-Kasich combined win more than Clinton, but because of some state laws, Kasich does not win a majority. Election goes to House who elect Kasich.
In short, Trump can be replaced if the RNC wants to do so. I think that it NEEDS to do so for the party brand.
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### Author:  [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/858 "2016-10-08T15:02:54Z")
And just like that, taking into account Trump’s “evolution” regarding abortion, Trump did manage to remind all about how many deplorables are making their party to be the Pro-Rape-Pregnancy Republican Party.
> **[The Pro-Rape-Pregnancy Republican Party](https://bigthink.com/articles/the-pro-rape-pregnancy-republican-party/)**
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> This week, we witnessed another step in the Republican party’s long drawn-out national suicide: “I’ve struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize that life \[…\]
> [@](#):
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> But the Akin and Mourdock stories suggest yet another factor. Women make up a slim majority of the electorate, and they already vote Democratic by large margins, but the Republicans seem hell-bent on doing everything they can to pry that gender gap open even wider. They’re remarkably open about their desire to bring back the days when women’s bodies were men’s property, to be used and disposed of as men saw fit; and they seem not to understand that women have the power, if they choose, to sweep them permanently out of office and into the dustbin of the past. Let’s just hope that there are enough women who are listening to what they’re really saying.
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### Author:  [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/859 "2016-10-08T15:07:57Z")
Elizabeth Warren. From Twitter.
Elizabeth Warren Retweeted
Emma Roller @emmaroller 13h13 hours ago
People who’ve denounced Trump’s comments without withdrawing endorsements:
- Ryan
- McCain
- Cruz
- Rubio
- Portman
- Ayotte
- Toomey
- Burr
Elizabeth Warren @elizabethforma 12h12 hours ago
.@realdonaldtrump: Were you lying or was sexual assault part of your action every day? It’s a simple question. You should have to answer it.
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### Author:  [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/860 "2016-10-08T15:16:09Z")
> [@soonerblue](#):
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> I used to tend bar on a military base, in an officer’s club. You cannot believe the crude, lewd braggadocio I’ve overheard.
> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> In my military experience, talk of groping and sexual assault was over the line.
Don’t jump to conclusions. There might have been a carrier group on the base. #tailhook
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### Author:  [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/861 "2016-10-08T15:20:43Z")
> [@JohnT](#):
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> Seriously, believe that if you wish. Reporters get led, guided. “Hey, David, why don’t you check out the Foundation paperwork.”
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> The Dems did their oppo research on Trump and have been feeding this on their own schedule.
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> In short: I don’t believe in coincidences, and all this shit coming down within the same 3 weeks, a mere month before the election ends, is too f\*\*\*\*\*\* coincidental.
This. It is easy for someone in the know to give a pointer to someone in the media, without actually breaking any duty of confidentiality or saying anything that can come back to bite them.
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### Author:  [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/862 "2016-10-08T15:21:44Z")
> [@computergeek](#):
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> Wikileaks certainly has bad timing in this particular case
Who?
Oh yeah, that guy who lives in an attic in London.
😃
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