# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/883 "2016-10-08T16:11:44Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#):
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> John, you are a smart guy. I don’t understand how you can’t see that sexual conquest =/= sexual assault. I am trying to convince myself that you haven’t listened to what he said, and that you know these things are not the same.
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> Let me explain it to you – you can call it “womanxplaining”: grabbing someone by the genitals without obtaining consent is sexual assault, it is not a Don Juan thing, it is a “belong in prison” thing.
Firstly, we’re talking about what guys “trash talk” about, not about what they actually do. Secondly, there isn’t anything in the video/audio that is “sexual assault”. He claims:
\*Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything.
Bush: Whatever you want.
Trump: Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.\*
They let you do it. There isn’t anything in there that says something along the lines of “she tried to get away, but I grabbed her anyway”. Now, you might question whether they really “let” him do it, but that is what he is claiming.
If I’m missing something, please quote the part where there is a clear act of sexual assault. [Here is the transcript.](https://mic.com/articles/156222/donald-trump-billy-bush-leaked-video-full-transcript-read-the-full-sexist-exchange-here#.rXIdi7gPk)
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### Author:  [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/884 "2016-10-08T16:15:09Z")
> [@Mighty\_Girl](#):
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> …
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> Let me explain it to you – you can call it “womanxplaining”: grabbing someone by the genitals without obtaining consent is sexual assault, it is not a Don Juan thing, it is a “belong in prison” thing.
That’s not womanxplaining, that’s common sense. It’s a friggen crime. If anyone did that to my daughters or my wife, they’d have the dogs turned loose on them.
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### Author:  [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/885 "2016-10-08T16:18:04Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> …
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> They let you do it. There isn’t anything in there that says something along the lines of “she tried to get away, but I grabbed her anyway”. Now, you might question whether they really “let” him do it, but that is what he is claiming.
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> …
Wow, just wow. Trump walks up to a female who feels intimidated by him, then gropes her, and says, “she let me do it?” Like she expected to be molested by this animal?
I think a few officers tried that approach at a Tailhook convention. I don’t remember, how did that work out for them? (well I do remember actually)
ETA, the sexual assault is grabbing their crotch _WITHOUT CONSENT_. Show me the consent.
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### Author:  [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/886 "2016-10-08T16:18:23Z")
> [@Bayard](#):
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> I mean, I would have thought that suggesting the world needs more nuclear armed nations, threatening to leave NATO, asking Russia to hack Clinton’s email, having murky business and political ties to Putin, praising Saddam Hussein, calling for banning all Muslims from entering the US, calling for the quick expulsion of 11 million undocumented immigrants, claiming to be able to pay off the federal debt in his first term, and any of a number of other craziness would have sunk him.
…and wonders why we can’t use our nuclear weapons.
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### Author:  [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/887 "2016-10-08T16:19:06Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#):
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> “I’d never withdraw. I’ve never withdrawn in my life,” Trump told the Washington Post
That’s why he has five kids.
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### Author:  [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/888 "2016-10-08T16:19:39Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> Firstly, we’re talking about what guys “trash talk” about, not about what they actually do. Secondly, there isn’t anything in the video/audio that is “sexual assault”. He claims:
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> \*Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything.
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> Bush: Whatever you want.
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> Trump: Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.\*
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> They let you do it. There isn’t anything in there that says something along the lines of “she tried to get away, but I grabbed her anyway”. Now, you might question whether they really “let” him do it, but that is what he is claiming.
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> If I’m missing something, please quote the part where there is a clear act of sexual assault. [Here is the transcript.](https://mic.com/articles/156222/donald-trump-billy-bush-leaked-video-full-transcript-read-the-full-sexist-exchange-here#.rXIdi7gPk)
Some big Guy comes up to you and grabs you by the genitals- that’s not assault? Yeah they let him do it, according to him- not according to at least one alleged victim of his genital grabbing, but hey. Ignore for a second how the women supposedly reacted. He was grabbing women by the genitals, according to his own words.
That’s assault.
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### Author:  [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/889 "2016-10-08T16:21:40Z")
> [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](#):
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> That’s why he has five kids.
This one is floating around: “Imagine what Republicans would have said if Obama featured his 5 kids from 3 different women at his convention in 2008.”
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/890 "2016-10-08T16:25:21Z")
> [@raventhief](#):
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> Some big Guy comes up to you and grabs you by the genitals- that’s not assault?
It could be, but it doesn’t have to be.
> [@](#):
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> Yeah they let him do it, according to him- not according to at least one alleged victim of his genital grabbing, but hey. Ignore for a second how the women supposedly reacted. He was grabbing women by the genitals, according to his own words.
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> That’s assault.
Who are you talking about and did she report the alleged crime?
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### Author:  [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/891 "2016-10-08T16:26:00Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> Firstly, we’re talking about what guys “trash talk” about, not about what they actually do. Secondly, there isn’t anything in the video/audio that is “sexual assault”. He claims:
Well, I… was wrong about something alright.
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### Author:  [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/892 "2016-10-08T16:27:55Z")
[Gross boardroom encounter with Trump](http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/08/politics/donald-trump-woman-incident/index.html)
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### Author:  [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/893 "2016-10-08T16:28:54Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> If I’m missing something, please quote the part where there is a clear act of sexual assault.
_I don’t even wait_ and _I just start kissing them_. The fact that he interprets someone’s possibly shocked non-response to them letting him do it is neither here nor there. Heck the possibility that some career-minded young lady might tolerate it to get closer to wealth and power is really neither here nor there either. You march up to someone and start groping and kissing them without explanation you’re wandering into assault territory.
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### Author:  [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/894 "2016-10-08T16:31:16Z")
The Republicans are going to have a hard time denying that “rape culture” exists if they continue to make the excuses they’ve been making.
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### Author:  [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/895 "2016-10-08T16:32:09Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#):
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> [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/amid-growing-calls-to-drop-out-trump-vows-to-never-withdraw/2016/10/08/8c0b5b7a-8d68-11e6-bff0-d53f592f176e\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/amid-growing-calls-to-drop-out-trump-vows-to-never-withdraw/2016/10/08/8c0b5b7a-8d68-11e6-bff0-d53f592f176e_story.html)
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> “I’d never withdraw. I’ve never withdrawn in my life,” Trump told the Washington Post in a phone call from his home in Trump Tower in New York…”
Unless it was for a money shot.
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### Author:  [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/896 "2016-10-08T16:32:34Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> Firstly, we’re talking about what guys “trash talk” about, not about what they actually do. Secondly, there isn’t anything in the video/audio that is “sexual assault”. He claims:
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> \*Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything.
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> Bush: Whatever you want.
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> Trump: Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.\*
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> They let you do it. There isn’t anything in there that says something along the lines of “she tried to get away, but I grabbed her anyway”. Now, you might question whether they really “let” him do it, but that is what he is claiming.
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> If I’m missing something, please quote the part where there is a clear act of sexual assault. [Here is the transcript.](https://mic.com/articles/156222/donald-trump-billy-bush-leaked-video-full-transcript-read-the-full-sexist-exchange-here#.rXIdi7gPk)
I’m definitely not defending the guy, but I think it is a step further than that. Trump is not claiming that he walks up and grabs women by the pussy, just that he could and they would not complain. Much along the lines of “I could shoot a guy in the face and my poll numbers won’t drop.”
He is simply bragging that a man with his star power makes women swoon so much that he could actually grab them and they would not complain. It is a terrible thing to say, but the claims that he is advocating (or has performed) any sexual assaults are a step too far.
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### Author:  [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/897 "2016-10-08T16:32:35Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#):
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> _I don’t even wait_ and _I just start kissing them_. The fact that he interprets someone’s possibly shocked non-response to them letting him do it is neither here nor there. Heck the possibility that some career-minded young lady might tolerate it to get closer to wealth and power is really neither here nor there either. You march up to someone and start groping and kissing them without explanation you’re wandering into assault territory.
It’s scary that you actually have to explain this. I am thankful to Og that I never had encounter someone like that. It’s happened to women I know, and none of then went to the police because many times you have more to lose by doing so. Do I have to explain why too?
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### Author:  [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/898 "2016-10-08T16:35:46Z")
> [@Merneith](#):
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> I can’t help wondering if this is going to cause a storm-surge of Bill Cosbian proportions, as women come forward saying, that they’re all victims of the Gropenfuhrer.
Hey, hey, HEY - that’s Arnold Schwarzenegger’s rightfully granted nickname. Trump can get his own :D.
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#):
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> I’m starting to suspect that in this election the undecideds are people torn between voting for Hillary and not voting at all.
I wouldn’t discount people who also were deciding on whether to vote for Trump or not at all. An equally large effect may be just to depress the overall GOP vote as people stay home. Hence the Republican party’s terror that Trump may drag some down ballot races down with him.
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### Author:  [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/899 "2016-10-08T16:36:27Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> Lots of guys are pigs. Lots. And the love talking about sex. Maybe not so much 60-year-old guys (I think Trump would have been about that age when he made the comments), but younger guys? Yep. And not just HS sophomores. Put guys together and bragging about sexual conquests is SOP. I hate to burst your protective bubble, but that’s the way it is.
I’m a guy and my experience is that that’s not the way it is. I hang out with all kinds of guys - young, old, urban, rural, blue collar and white collar and while there is “locker room talk” stuff like what Trump said just isn’t acceptable. Most guys are honorable.
I spent my college years travelling across the Midwest for hours and hours on buses with baseball players, not exactly known as the most sympathetic and honorable guys. Spend three hours on a bus with us and you’ll hear stuff that would curl your hair. Brag about sexual assault, though, and you wouldn’t just be ostracized, the seniors would take you to the bullpen behind the ad signs and “educate” you. It was our own form of Sharia Law, in a manner of speaking.
Trump didn’t just cross the line, he didn’t even know there was one.
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### Author:  [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/900 "2016-10-08T16:36:34Z")
At this point, the only people who will vote for him are the deplorables. There’s no chance he’ll win. A vote for Trump isn’t a vote for President–it’s a vote in support of the person Trump his revealed himself to be.
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### Author:  [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/901 "2016-10-08T16:37:26Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> They let you do it. There isn’t anything in there that says something along the lines of “she tried to get away, but I grabbed her anyway”. Now, you might question whether they really “let” him do it, but that is what he is claiming.
Holy shit, John. Do you think that grabbing genitals without prior consent is legal?
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### Author:  [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/902 "2016-10-08T16:38:02Z")
> [@UltraVires](#):
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> 1. The RNC can nominate Pence or anyone else.
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> 2. The early voters who already voted for Trump merely voted for the slate of electors pledged to Trump. If Trump withdraws, or is forced out, they have implicitly voted for those electors to make a reasoned decision for the candidate that they will vote for. (or see #3 below)
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> 3. If some states can somehow force the electors to vote for Trump (and the constitutionality of this has never been challenged), then one of two things will happen:
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> a) Clinton wins more EVs than the combined Trump-Kasich (or Trump-Pence). Same result as before. Clinton wins.
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> b) Trump-Kasich combined win more than Clinton, but because of some state laws, Kasich does not win a majority. Election goes to House who elect Kasich.
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> In short, Trump can be replaced if the RNC wants to do so. I think that it NEEDS to do so for the party brand.
That ship has sailed, dude, and the party brand is inextricably tied to the Trump brand.
The good news for you is that it’s worth IN EXCESS OF TEN BILLION DOLLARS. So you got that going for you, which is nice.
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