# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Yersenia\_Pestis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yersenia_Pestis)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/943 "2016-10-08T17:35:22Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#):
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> Clinton has made the rounds. She has went around to each table, given them what they wanted and moved on to the next interest group’s table. She has built the coalition: the women, the students, the hispanics, the neoconservatives/neoMcCartyites, the old people/SDMB crowd, and the government employees. I have been sitting here waiting all night, nursing half a beer, checking my phone for good news from Trump that never comes. I’ve been in the room but have been ignored.
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> Until now:
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> “But If Everybody’s Watching, You Know, All Of The Back Room Discussions And The Deals, You Know, Then People Get A Little Nervous, To Say The Least. So, You Need Both A Public And A Private Position.”
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> “The Simpson-Bowles Framework And The Big Elements Of It Were Right… You Have To Restrain Spending…”
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> “My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future…"
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> Hillary, darling, how are you!
Oh yeAh, those are absolutely horrible things…worst things ever! Totally in the same level as praising dictators, not caring about going bankrupt and Freakin’ sexual assault!
Has the Hillary hate so incredibly brainwashed some people that they are willing to cling on to anything at all? Wow!
Bravo FoxNews and the right wing media, bravo! A job well done!
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### Author:  [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/944 "2016-10-08T17:37:09Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> Secondly, there isn’t anything in the video/audio that is “sexual assault”.
:dubious:
> [@](#):
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> I don’t even wait
Me, I wait until I know the cat wants it before I grab any pussy. Maybe thats just me.
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### Author:  [@Yersenia\_Pestis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yersenia_Pestis)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/945 "2016-10-08T17:37:21Z")
> [@sinjin](#):
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> The majority of my middle/upper middle class midwestern catholic friends are still voting for Trump. The females are the most adamant. Because abortion.:smack:
Again, bravo right wing media, you have done your job, bravo!
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### Author:  [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/946 "2016-10-08T17:37:48Z")
Frankly, this has kinda depressed me. Yes, no one should be surprised that Trump is ok with assault. But the idea that this is common among men- just grab her pussy, awesome! or that it’s just empty posturing. So some of the reactions have been more saddening than the “revelation” that DJT is a scumbag creep. It’s not assault if some guy grabs a woman by the genitals? He’s bragging about it but he probably didn’t actually do it? Most men brag about how they don’t need to even get consent?
Ugh.
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### Author:  [@Yersenia\_Pestis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yersenia_Pestis)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/947 "2016-10-08T17:40:39Z")
To all talking about the military: maybe it may have been an issue in the past, but sexual assault/harassment are HUGE issues now, the DOD is pouring resources into eliminating this - ABSOLUTELY not tolerated in any shape, way or form today - on or off duty
This also includes “locker room talk”, this is a NO GO area
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### Author:  [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/948 "2016-10-08T17:41:30Z")
> [@raventhief](#):
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> Frankly, this has kinda depressed me. Yes, no one should be surprised that Trump is ok with assault. But the idea that this is common among men- just grab her pussy, awesome! or that it’s just empty posturing. So some of the reactions have been more saddening than the “revelation” that DJT is a scumbag creep. It’s not assault if some guy grabs a woman by the genitals? He’s bragging about it but he probably didn’t actually do it? Most men brag about how they don’t need to even get consent?
> Ugh.
Even among the vast majority of sexpats I’ve known in Thailand – and yes, “sexpat” is a common term, at least there – this would be unacceptable behavior.
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### Author:  [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/949 "2016-10-08T17:41:57Z")
Trump says there is zero chance that he’ll drop out of the race.
So I’d say there’s about a 70% chance he drops out of the race.
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### Author:  [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/950 "2016-10-08T17:43:55Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#):
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> Yeah the Navy doesn’t really talk about it, right, they’re [doers](http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/12/04/study-female-marines-sailors-at-higher-risk-of-sexual-assault.html)?
There’s definitely a serious problem of sexual assault in the military.
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### Author:  [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/951 "2016-10-08T17:45:09Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#):
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> Even in Thailand, I never heard guys bragging about how hard they tried to fuck a married woman. Not once. Trump has clearly gone too far this time. Finally.
Yeah Sam, thats because here in Thailand the married woman will be freely hitting on you… lets be real married Thai women having lovers is extremely common…
But back to the point, the only reason Republican’s are now dissing Trump is the timing and the dismal polling results. It’s not that they’ve had any great moral awakening or that this was a finally too much. It’s simply that the polls are truly abysmal for Trump and there’s just not enough time for him to recover.
If the same tape had come out when Trump was polling neck and neck with Clinton, or with more than a month to go, then every slimy republican would be bending over backwards to make excuses. They are rats who finally are abandoning ship because he’s a loser and no one wants to be associated with a loser. That’s all.
The only Republicans who come out of this without stinking are those few like Romney, McCain and (it pains me to say) the Bush family, that refused to ever endorse Trump.
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### Author:  [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/952 "2016-10-08T17:46:34Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#):
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> Why do you love Trump?
Cause with him being in the election its entertaining _as hell_.
Seriously, why do you think that this time its going to cause him to collapse.
[QUOTE=Left hand of Dorkness]
No. Bragging about sexual assault is not a triviality.
[/QUOTE]
No its not. Neither is calling for institutional racism, mass deportations, cavorting with dictators, calling on Russian hackers, wanting to bang his daughter… Not had any affect on him before.
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### Author:  [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/953 "2016-10-08T17:47:25Z")
If it doesn’t already exist, one of those political cartoon people should draw one where Trump has his arm around a visibly uncomfortable Lady Liberty.
This election keeps getting better and better. How does it top this? Will Trump call Hillary the c-word? Tackle an audience member? Take a hostage? I can’t wait!
I think Obama in '08 got about 56% of the women vote. Maybe Hillary will set a new record that won’t ever be broken.
> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> This one is floating around: “Imagine what Republicans would have said if Obama featured his 5 kids from 3 different women at his convention in 2008.”
They said Obama was inexperienced, disrespectful, and an arrogant bully. They ripped him for using the wrong mustard, doing a terrorist fist bump with his wife, and the coffee cup salute.
Trump 2016 - Grab America by the…wherever.
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### Author:  [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/954 "2016-10-08T17:48:11Z")
Trumps " apology" vid scared the shit out of me. The guy looked like he was seething with anger and indignation. Was I the only one who saw that?
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### Author:  [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/955 "2016-10-08T17:49:29Z")
> [@AK84](#):
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> Famous words. Which have been said
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> i) When he called Mexicans rapists
> ii) Attacked Free Trade
> iii) Called for a wall
> iv) Brought up Megan Kelly’s periods
> v) Talked about banning muslims
> vi) Killing peoples families
> vii) Attacked family members of a dead serviceman
> viii) Talked about wanting to bang his own daughter
> ix) Backtracked on birtherism
> x) Opened his mouth at any time since…
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> Yeah, so pardon my scepticism.
As I pointed many times before:
Two guys were sleeping in a forest when a bear began ripping through the canvas of their tent.
The first guy throws off his sleeping bag and yells, “It’s a bear, run for your life!” The second guy rolls out of his sleeping bag and calmly begins to put on his sneakers. The first guy says, “What are you doing? Are you crazy? Bears can run at 30 mph! Your sneakers won’t help you run faster than that bear!” To which the second guy replies, “I don’t have to run faster than the bear, I only have to run faster than you.”
Hillary is like the guy putting his sneakers. Trump is getting his damaged flip flops. And it has been pretty much like that during the race. Sure, many will continue to support Trump and his support will not sink much, but it will remain such a significant difference that Trump will not overcome…
As usual, because Trump only has managed to get in statistical ties with Clinton but really never ahead.
[http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-clinton](http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-clinton)
The point is that all what you say has not made much of a dent among the Republicans, but that is much to their shame; but what counts in the end is that a bit more than half of the electorate is not looking at Trump favorably, **and items like the one that has pop up recently make that group to look at Trump even less favorably**.
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### Author:  [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/956 "2016-10-08T17:49:30Z")
I can easily find the quote where McCain says that Trump, alone, must face the consequences of his actions. Can’t find any to suggest what those consequences ought to be. Brave, brave, brave Sir John!
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### Author:  [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/957 "2016-10-08T17:49:46Z")
> [@coremelt](#):
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> Yeah Sam, thats because here in Thailand the married woman will be freely hitting on you… lets be real married Thai women having lovers is extremely common…
Apples and oranges. That is not at all the same as bragging about hitting on a married woman.
> [@AK84](#):
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> Seriously, why do you think that this time its going to cause him to collapse.
The suddenness and ferocity of the outrage this time. It’s off the Richter scale. Sadly, there could be something to the notion that it involves a white woman now.
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### Author:  [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/958 "2016-10-08T17:50:36Z")
> [@coremelt](#):
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> The only Republicans who come out of this without stinking are those few like Romney, McCain and (it pains me to say) the Bush family, that refused to ever endorse Trump.
McCain endorsed Trump and although he has criticized him so far has not withdrawn his support.
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### Author:  [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/959 "2016-10-08T17:50:44Z")
> [@Maastricht](#):
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> Trumps " apology" vid scared the shit out of me. The guy looked like he was seething with anger and indignation. Was I the only one who saw that?
Nope, it looked that way to me too. Totally canned speech that was poorly read from a teleprompter.
Switching to an attack on the Clintons at the end shows how callous he is and probably views this as more of an unfair distraction than something that is wrong.
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### Author:  [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/960 "2016-10-08T17:50:47Z")
> [@Maastricht](#):
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> Trumps " apology" vid scared the shit out of me. The guy looked like he was seething with anger and indignation. Was I the only one who saw that?
No, you’re not. It was clearly a case of him thinking, “Why do I have to be doing this?”
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### Author:  [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/961 "2016-10-08T17:55:02Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> It never was the Clinton campaign doing it. All of this has come from disaffected Trump insiders and from the few reporters who haven’t waited for “permission” to do their damn jobs.
> [@JohnT](#):
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> Seriously, believe that if you wish. Reporters get led, guided. “Hey, David, why don’t you check out the Foundation paperwork.”
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> The Dems did their oppo research on Trump and have been feeding this on their own schedule.
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> In short: I don’t believe in coincidences, and all this shit coming down within the same 3 weeks, a mere month before the election ends, is too f\*\*\*\*\*\* coincidental.
It is not coincidence that, as the election nears, with more people having been looking harder at Trump for longer, more is coming to light. That doesn’t mean the Clinton campaign has to be the source of it all, or necessarily involved in every part of it.
“Oppo research” mostly means sifting through the work of journalists of various kinds.
> [@Northern\_Piper](#):
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> It is easy for someone in the know to give a pointer to someone in the media, without actually breaking any duty of confidentiality or saying anything that can come back to bite them.
Sure, and journalists following up on such is a standard part of their job. But the Clinton campaign can’t _generate_ pointers on their own; either they find something that’s already in media somewhere, or they _receive_ a tip and pass that on.
> [@Northern\_Piper](#):
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> Back up a step. Why was Access Hollywood, an entertainment show, trawling through its archives of out-takes from 11 years ago?
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> People have long memories of creeps being creeps, and of rich frat-boys like Billy Bush fawning on rich creeps.
> [@Ravenman](#):
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> I have no idea what prompted Access Hollywood to be going through its archives now.
Journalism. [They said](http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/donald-trump-comments-women-access-hollywood-229331) they were motivated to start looking, just this week, by [the AP story](http://bigstory.ap.org/article/2778a6ab72ea49558445337865289508/ap-how-trumps-apprentice-moved-capitalism-sexism) about Trump’s very inappropriate behavior on another television production set.
It’s easy to imagine them reading that, and saying to each other “he was a real creep here, too, wasn’t he” and “do we have anything to hurt the bastard.”
When a recording was turned up, _somebody_ slipped it to David Farenthold, another journalist, who has been doing great work on Trump all year. We don’t know who that was, but there’s no reason to think any part of this had to go through the Clinton campaign.
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### Author:  [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/962 "2016-10-08T17:55:05Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> Firstly, we’re talking about what guys “trash talk” about, not about what they actually do. Secondly, there isn’t anything in the video/audio that is “sexual assault”. He claims:
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> \*Trump: Yeah, that’s her. With the gold. I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything.
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> Bush: Whatever you want.
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> Trump: Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.\*
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> They let you do it. There isn’t anything in there that says something along the lines of “she tried to get away, but I grabbed her anyway”. Now, you might question whether they really “let” him do it, but that is what he is claiming.
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> If I’m missing something, please quote the part where there is a clear act of sexual assault. [Here is the transcript.](https://mic.com/articles/156222/donald-trump-billy-bush-leaked-video-full-transcript-read-the-full-sexist-exchange-here#.rXIdi7gPk)
We don’t expect some ape walk right up to us and grab our pussies, so there would not be enough time for us to react, much less consent. Just because the word “no” isn’t uttered doesn’t mean we “let him”.
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