# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1043 "2016-10-08T20:35:23Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> No, not rich guys. Rich “men of his generation, in his position of power.”, which is what I said. Yes, I think it would odd if they didn’t behave in a similarly reprehensible manner. Because they are privileged assholes who are used to getting what they want and used to treating women as sex objects. You disagree?
Yes, I do.
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### Author:  [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1044 "2016-10-08T20:40:27Z")
Just think of all the pussies Trump will be grabbing once he’s President. That’s MUCH bigger than being a plain old “star.”
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### Author:  [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1045 "2016-10-08T20:41:14Z")
Nate Silver’s very interesting article on the fall out of today:
> **[The Bottom Could Fall Out For Trump](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-bottom-could-fall-out-for-trump/)**
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> Let’s not naively insist on taking a wait-and-see approach regarding the events of the past 24 hours. The revelation of a tape from 2005 in which Donald Trump w…
He pretty much says it’s over, without actually saying that. But it is.
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### Author:  [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1046 "2016-10-08T20:42:04Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> Re evangelicals and their support of Trump despite his overall disgusting-ness as a human being, specifically this quote from [this article.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/evangelicals-trump_us_57f83051e4b068ecb5de95fb)I read an interesting analysis somewhere recently (can’t remember exactly where, but it was likely the Washington Post or the Atlantic) that the reason evangelicals don’t care whether Trump shares their values is that they don’t see him as one of them; they see him as a rescuer, champion, enforcer, i.e., someone who will go out and do whatever needs to be done (and he’s proven he’s capable of that) to restore their way of life to them. The analogy is that if you hire a hit man/assassin, you don’t expect to find him sitting next to you in church on Sunday, and _you don’t care_. He’s an outsider, hired to do a dirty job. This is why they still support Trump. He’s the guy in the black hat who rides into town and cleans it up without a shred of moral scruples. From this vantage point, the MORE disgusting and unprincipled he is, the MORE the evangelicals/super conservatives will want him to do the dirty work that no liberal wants to do.
Well, sure, it’s the Dirty Dozen model of how the good people need to be protected by nasty badasses.
It would seem the members of the Religious Right have a problem in that they want to see restored their mythical way of life, to see visible evils undone, but they have lost faith in that, well, they’ve lost faith in faith, they have despaired that a deliverer will rise from \*their \*midst, and fall back on hoping for some gentile mercenary to do the earthly smiting they feel necessary.
They probably relate this hope to several old testament passages in which Israel or Judah is straying from the path and some foreign horde from Egypt or the Hittites or Assyria or Babylon shows up to administer punishment and overthrow the bad king, so the people _then_ Turn to the Lord.
So the RR are obsessed with undoing “way of life” changes, matters of _form_, while at the same time espousing an “ends justify the means” mentality and so what if it took unclean heathens, the mercenary righted \*earthly \*wrongs while \*they \*who didn’t get \*their \*precious holiness soiled, will now be able to retake the spiritual work.
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### Author:  [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1047 "2016-10-08T20:42:17Z")
Mace’s continued defense of his position is bizarre given it essentially boils down to “What he did isn’t all that unusual” combined with “I trust Donald Trump’s ability to not go past \*this \*limit -because I trust they’re not going to find anything worse”.
I would not place money on that last, my friend.
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### Author:  [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1048 "2016-10-08T20:42:18Z")
This thread is moving so fast now it’s hard to say something relevant. Harking back a couple pages and a couple hours ago …
I share **AK84** ’s disgust and concern that this latest groping stuff won’t change anything with many Trump supporters.
I equally share his disgust and concern that conversely, if this actually does become a watershed negative event for Trump, it will say something pretty ugly about the depth of American ignorance, stupidity, and misplaced priorities.
Yes, this is bad. But as \*\*Bayard \*\*said oh so long ago (noonish), this is about #218 on the rational list of reasons Trump’s obviously unfit. If this is what gets traction with the public, the public is demonstrating loud and proud just how dangerously clueless they are. If this is what gets traction with the R party leadership, that leadership is also demonstrating loud and proud just how dangerously clueless they are.
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### Author:  [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1049 "2016-10-08T20:43:49Z")
> [@coremelt](#):
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> Nate Silver’s very interesting article on the fall out of today:
> [The Bottom Could Fall Out For Trump | FiveThirtyEight](http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-bottom-could-fall-out-for-trump/)
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> He pretty much says it’s over, without actually saying that. But it is.
They did a special podcast this morning (or late last night) - about to play it now, but you may wish to listen.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1050 "2016-10-08T20:50:29Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#):
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> Yes, I do.
You have a more uplifting view of your fellow man\* than I do.
"And by “man”, I mean male. In this particular case, rich, powerful men who came of age in the 50s.
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### Author:  [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1051 "2016-10-08T20:51:27Z")
And Ivanka is tweeting about…[pizza](http://mashable.com/2016/10/08/ivanka-trump-trump-audio-tweets/?utm_cid=mash-com-fb-main-link#uLo5M.6sZiqB).
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### Author:  [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1052 "2016-10-08T20:53:10Z")
Has this been posted yet?
Donald Trump to Howard Stern: [It’s okay to call my daughter a ‘piece of ass’](http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/08/politics/trump-on-howard-stern/index.html)
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### Author:  [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1053 "2016-10-08T20:55:25Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> No, not rich guys. Rich “men of his generation, in his position of power.”, which is what I said. Yes, I think it would odd if they didn’t behave in a similarly reprehensible manner. Because they are privileged assholes who are used to getting what they want and used to treating women as sex objects. You disagree?
Rape and sexual assault are a lot worse than mere asshole behavior. I think that’s what’s driving the push back you’re getting.
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### Author:  [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1054 "2016-10-08T20:56:18Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> You have a more uplifting view of your fellow man\* than I do.
Yes, I do. That was my original point.
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### Author:  [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1055 "2016-10-08T20:57:29Z")
> [@JohnT](#):
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> They did a special podcast this morning (or late last night) - about to play it now, but you may wish to listen.
He brought up an interesting metric for “taking the pulse”: the number of Google searches for Trump went up big time after Pussygaffe. Whereas, for previous instances of him stepping on his dick, not so much. Interesting.
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### Author:  [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1056 "2016-10-08T20:58:46Z")
> [@MindsEye\_Watering](#):
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> Has this been posted yet?
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> Donald Trump to Howard Stern: [It’s okay to call my daughter a ‘piece of ass’](http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/08/politics/trump-on-howard-stern/index.html)
CNN just replayed an interview with Ivanka where she said her father would do incredible things for women. That he’s amazing with women. How good a parent he was.
_BARF_
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1057 "2016-10-08T20:58:53Z")
> [@coremelt](#):
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> Nate Silver’s very interesting article on the fall out of today:
> [The Bottom Could Fall Out For Trump | FiveThirtyEight](http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-bottom-could-fall-out-for-trump/)
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> He pretty much says it’s over, without actually saying that. But it is.
If you look at the probability graph, Trump has been on a steady decline since the first debate-- that is, for more the week. Interestingly (or not) this decline is slower than the decline he saw at the beginning of August-- that was a precipitous drop. And, he’s still almost 2x his lowest point during those dog days of August (he got near 10% vs his 18.6% now). Of course, one might easily argue that an 18% rating now is worse than a 10% rating in August, as the election is less than a month away…
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### Author:  [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1058 "2016-10-08T21:00:34Z")
> [@Yersenia\_Pestis](#):
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> Oh yeAh, those are absolutely horrible things…worst things ever! Totally in the same level as praising dictators, not caring about going bankrupt and Freakin’ sexual assault!
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> Has the Hillary hate so incredibly brainwashed some people that they are willing to cling on to anything at all? Wow!
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> Bravo FoxNews and the right wing media, bravo! A job well done!
You missed the point. They are great things from my position. The public positions of Hillary are terrible. I have favored a Clinton victory based on the hope that Clinton is a simple crony and is actually not as dumb as she pretends to be.
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### Author:  [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1059 "2016-10-08T21:00:38Z")
I am glad Trump won’t be president. I’m also glad I’ll be able to collect on my bet with my co-workers 🙂
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### Author:  [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1060 "2016-10-08T21:01:05Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#):
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> Melania speaks:
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> [x.com](https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/784832692542173185/photo/1)
I wonder why I find Melania’s response totally predictable, and…canned. She sounds like she wanted to do and say the thing that would be appropriate, and that made Donald happy, and not like she actually had any thoughts or feelings on the matter.
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### Author:  [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1061 "2016-10-08T21:02:08Z")
… and there goes John McCain…
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### Author:  [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1062 "2016-10-08T21:02:51Z")
> [@Maastricht](#):
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> I wonder why I find Melania’s response totally predictable, and…canned. She sounds like she wanted to do and say the thing that would be appropriate, and that made Donald happy, and not like she actually had any thoughts or feelings on the matter.
Well, it was hard to come up with the right words because Michelle Obama has never had a similar situation to deal with.
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