# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1083 "2016-10-08T21:34:54Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#):
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> Well, it was hard to come up with the right words because Michelle Obama has never had a similar situation to deal with.
Oh, sweat!
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### Author:  [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1084 "2016-10-08T21:34:56Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> You have a more uplifting view of your fellow man\* than I do.
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> "And by “man”, I mean male. In this particular case, rich, powerful men who came of age in the 50s.
I think your general approach here has been reasonable and some of the attacks a little overboard at times. I don’t see you ‘defending’ anything you shouldn’t be.
But in this case my answer would be who knows?
Your assumption could be true, but seems to me possibly the general counterculture theme (which is so embedded now) that attacks traditional norms by associating them with hypocrisy and immorality. IOW who says it’s less likely that rich powerful women, non-whites, and/or openly LGBT people, besides younger rich powerful white men, would act abusively wrt sex than older rich powerful ostensibly straight white men? (the reasonable profile for 'typical powerful men who came of age in ‘50’s’ also includes those things I think)
I’d agree things which might be plausibly construed as sexual _harassment_ are more generation specific, because the definition of ‘playful banter’ v. harassment has changed. Likewise the perception of ‘power imbalance’ in a romantic relationship initiated in a work setting (that standard has shimmied around actually, first with ‘progress’, then w/ the perceived need of many to excuse that aspect of the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal, so I don’t know where it stands now). But the definition of sexual assault hasn’t changed as much and I don’t have evidence or experience\* (resisting as best I can the tendency we all have to subconsciously at least offer fictional TV shows/movies as evidence) to say how common it was or is by rich powerful people of various types to sexually assault other people.
\*I’ve known powerful guys in pure economic terms, though not celebrities. But it’s not a scientific sample nor am I sure I knew everything about them.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1085 "2016-10-08T21:34:56Z")
What about the little guy in all this? What will happen to Billy Bush? Is he going to be dumped by, whatever it is that show is that he does about celebrities?
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### Author:  [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1086 "2016-10-08T21:36:01Z")
> [@running\_coach](#):
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> If McCain had had any respect for his fellow veterans, he would never given his support in the first place.
Agreed – sorry but I just don’t respect McCain the way I once did. He has a shred of decency relative to some of the bags of nuts in his party but that’s not saying much. Arizona needs a fresh start. No more Arpaio. No more Mccain. No more red state.
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### Author:  [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1087 "2016-10-08T21:36:04Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#):
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> McCain no longer endorses Trump. McCain can’t tolerate boasts about sexual assaults. Better late than never.
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> It’s a tricky thing for rats to chose the right time to jump off the Trumptanic. Jump too early and you seem disloyal to the party. Jump too late and you go down with the ship.
> [http://www.johnmccain.com/statement-from-john-mccain-withdrawing-support-of-donald-trump/](http://www.johnmccain.com/statement-from-john-mccain-withdrawing-support-of-donald-trump/)
Sure, but the right issue also helps.
You jump the ship but you look decent doing it.
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### Author:  [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1088 "2016-10-08T21:37:40Z")
Favorite signs at CNN reporting on Trumpy Wumpy’s Tower emergence:
1. This Sign Is YUUUUGE! 😃 😃
2. Hillary Did Hurricane Matthew 😃
3. Republican Party \_\_ Democrat Party \_\_ Pizza Party X TWitter BobC7900
4)ICKY TRUMP
1. The Onion is the only reliable news source!
2. Student Debt Sucky!
These are on the Hillary side of the street. 😃 Classic!
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### Author:  [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1089 "2016-10-08T21:38:14Z")
I wonder how many journalists hate Trump? Usually the weekend is a time for relaxation and NOT to go into full on overtime.
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### Author:  [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1090 "2016-10-08T21:40:08Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#):
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> Sure, but the right issue also helps.
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> You jump the ship but you look decent doing it.
Attacks on the Gold Star family was the perfect moment for McCain if he wanted to make a statement. This was joining the crowd of fleeing rats IMO.
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### Author:  [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1091 "2016-10-08T21:41:48Z")
> [@](#):
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> Who’s next? Where does this end? [del]Littlefinger[/del] Butterfinger bars? 100 Grand Bars?
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😃
According to Forbes, they’re 25 Grand Bars tops
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### Author:  [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1092 "2016-10-08T21:46:07Z")
> [@elucidator](#):
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> If they expel Trump, his base will not support a replacement. And everybody will be filing against everybody else, lawyers will gather to feed. No chance it gets resolved quickly. Any way it goes, a big chunk of needed votes gets pissed away. The Republicans are playing Russian Roulette with an automatic.
Yes. They can’t expel Trump and expect to hold on to Senate and House seats. Trump’s rabid fans will work hard to revenge the loss of their idol by defeating GOP candidates across the board.
They need Trump to step aside _and to tell his fans to vote for GOP candidates_, including the new GOP Presidential ticket of Paul Ryan/Mike Pence.
Trump will do this for money. But it will have to be a _lot_ of money. The Kochs, Murdoch, Adelson, and all the usual donors will be asked to cough up a sum sufficient to rid the GOP of this turbulent clown.
First, he will ask for $100 billion and for Ivanka to take his place on the ticket. (She will be 35 at the end of this month.) They will say ‘no.’
Second, he will say he’ll accept $50 billion as long as they let Donald, Jr. take his place on the ticket. They will say ‘no.’
In the end he will accept $10 billion and will agree to tell his supporters to support “whoever” the GOP wants. His name will remain on the ballots but the electors, assured that being “faithless” won’t carry any legal or career consequences, will vote for Ryan/Pence.
And Trump will finally, for real, have ten billion dollars.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1093 "2016-10-08T21:53:20Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#):
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> Yes. They can’t expel Trump and expect to hold on to Senate and House seats. Trump’s rabid fans will work hard to revenge the loss of their idol by defeating GOP candidates across the board.
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> They need Trump to step aside _and to tell his fans to vote for GOP candidates_, including the new GOP Presidential ticket of Paul Ryan/Mike Pence.
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> Trump will do this for money. But it will have to be a _lot_ of money. The Kochs, Murdoch, Adelson, and all the usual donors will be asked to cough up a sum sufficient to rid the GOP of this turbulent clown.
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> First, he will ask for $100 billion and for Ivanka to take his place on the ticket. (She will be 35 at the end of this month.) They will say ‘no.’
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> Second, he will say he’ll accept $50 billion as long as they let Donald, Jr. take his place on the ticket. They will say ‘no.’
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> In the end he will accept $10 billion and will agree to tell his supporters to support “whoever” the GOP wants. His name will remain on the ballots but the electors, assured that being “faithless” won’t carry any legal or career consequences, will vote for Ryan/Pence.
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> And Trump will finally, for real, have ten billion dollars.
On which he will pay ZERO federal income tax!
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### Author:  [@ganthet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ganthet)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1094 "2016-10-08T21:55:44Z")
> [@asahi](#):
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> And this is the danger for Trump, and this is why some republicans are bolting from him NOW as opposed to waiting for more. This may be merely the wind gust ahead of an epic shit storm that could well be approaching, and republicans want to be on record as saying they got out while they could.
[The current lead story on CNN.com](http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-investigations/2016/10/07/fired-juvenile-corrections-chief-doug-ducey-pay-me-ll-sue-wrongful-firing/91751302) is a greatest hits of his various interview soundbites on Howard Stern throughout the decades. Including him not objecting to Stern calling Ivanka a “piece of ass” in 2006, Trump saying that a woman hitting age 35 is “check-out time” for him, Trump hinting that he has had sex with Miss Universe contestants during the time that he ran the pageant, and Trump indicating shock at the thought that Stern was faithful in his marriage (though with this sounding like Trump was shocked at the thought of generally remaining faithful to a spouse).
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### Author:  [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1095 "2016-10-08T21:55:51Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> What about the little guy in all this? What will happen to Billy Bush? Is he going to be dumped by, whatever it is that show is that he does about celebrities?
My mother watches _The Today Show_ so I know that Bush was hired by them with a certain amount of fanfare, fairly recently, as a host/interviewer.
My guess is that he won’t be there on Monday. Possibly something will be said (a la ‘he won’t be with us due to family issues’); more likely no reference will be made to him at all.
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### Author:  [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1096 "2016-10-08T21:57:35Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> On which he will pay ZERO federal income tax!
No doubt.
Even if he has no losses carried over to cover it, he’ll require that they pay him enough so that he’ll net the $10 billion.
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### Author:  [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1097 "2016-10-08T22:00:36Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> What about the little guy in all this? What will happen to Billy Bush? Is he going to be dumped by, whatever it is that show is that he does about celebrities?
Pence should withdraw and Billy should replace him. Then we would have a Trump Bush ticket. As somebody here already said - Make America Grope Again.
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### Author:  [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1098 "2016-10-08T22:00:57Z")
**iiandyiiii** broke this story to us in post 503 just before 3:30PM yesterday. The thread has grown almost twelve pages since then. That’s faster than any thread growth I’ve seen, with the possible exception of the first 9/11 thread.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1099 "2016-10-08T22:01:10Z")
> [@ganthet](#):
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> [The current lead story on CNN.com](http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-investigations/2016/10/07/fired-juvenile-corrections-chief-doug-ducey-pay-me-ll-sue-wrongful-firing/91751302) is a greatest hits of his various interview soundbites on Howard Stern throughout the decades. Including him not objecting to Stern calling Ivanka a “piece of ass” in 2006, Trump saying that a woman hitting age 35 is “check-out time” for him, Trump hinting that he has had sex with Miss Universe contestants during the time that he ran the pageant, and Trump indicating shock at the thought that Stern was faithful in his marriage (though with this sounding like Trump was shocked at the thought of generally remaining faithful to a spouse).
Your link goes to The AZ Republic.
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### Author:  [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1100 "2016-10-08T22:01:23Z")
John McCain - \*“Cindy and I will not vote for Donald Trump. I have never voted for a Democratic presidential candidate and we will not vote for Hillary Clinton. **We will write in the name of some good conservative Republican who is qualified to be President**.” \*
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Good luck finding one of **those** , bucko!
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### Author:  [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1101 "2016-10-08T22:01:57Z")
> [@Enginerd](#):
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> Even the Gropenfuhrer has [had enough](https://www.facebook.com/arnold/photos/a.420623816759.215734.9269711759/10154472434176760/?type=3&theater).
He has flaws and there are things about him I don’t like, but I just don’t see him drinking the Kool-Aid. There’s more to him than that and I almost feel proud of him that he’d
step up and say that. I’m sure that’s more than he’d ever say about me if he ever read me, but its not about me. Good for you, Mr. S.
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> We already had a link to that story upthread. I still think we need more than anonymous accusations, though. I can’t imagine these women would have anything to fear at that point. But, IANAW, so maybe there is…
Don’t be so sure. Some of his more base “base” have shown violence and bat-shit-craziness during rallies. If she comes forward, I’m just not sure the government could protect her.
Who is to say that a local political group wouldn’t just organize a flash mob “parking lot rally” blocking all the roads in her town (GWB Playbook) with cars and a sniper would climb a tree somewhere?
Police can’t protect you if they can’t get to you.
Afterwards, a flash mob message goes out “protest over” and they’ll all drive off into the sunset.
The ones who get stopped? “Oh, I was just here for the protest. We have the right to protest, don’t we…?”
_ **cue violins and lawyers conveniently both on call and on speed dial** _
> [@Catamount](#):
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> I think Pence has already been irreparably damaged not only by accepting the VP nomination, but by not coming out and roundly condemning him for his comments on this tape.
If Pence quits… I guess its Chris Christie? He already knows the McDonalds order by heart…
> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> [Tic Tacs have now joined Skittles](http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/10/08/1579492/-Things-we-never-thought-we-d-say-a-second-candy-has-come-forward-to-disavow-Donald-Trump) in deploring Trump, in similar language.
**Until the Very End of his Time On This Earth, I hope every woman who sees Trump trying to schmooze another woman pulls a box of Tic Tacs out of her purse and rattles it in his face.**
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### Author:  [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1102 "2016-10-08T22:03:23Z")
> [@silenus](#):
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> John McCain - \*“Cindy and I will not vote for Donald Trump. I have never voted for a Democratic presidential candidate and we will not vote for Hillary Clinton. **We will write in the name of some good conservative Republican who is qualified to be President**.” \*
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> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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> Good luck finding one of **those** , bucko!
By _his_ standards. Which are evidently low.
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