# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1103 "2016-10-08T22:04:32Z")
> [@Locrian](#):
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> Favorite signs at CNN reporting on Trumpy Wumpy’s Tower emergence:
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> …
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> 1. The Onion is the only reliable news source!
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> …
I just _had_ to check the headline in The Onion
[Trump: ‘I Know That Was Pretty Bad, But Let’s Just Say You’re Going To Want To Save Your Energy’](http://www.theonion.com/article/trump-i-know-was-pretty-bad-lets-just-say-youre-go-54130)
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### Author:  [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1104 "2016-10-08T22:07:35Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> No, I’m talking about unwanted, physical sexual advances. It would not surprise me at all if \> 50% of rich, powerful, famous men of Trump’s age did, at some time, grope or otherwise make an unwanted physical advance towards a woman. That is in no way to say that it’s OK, just that it does not surprise me. And with all we know about Trump, I would be shocked (regardless of the existence of this tape) to find out that he had never made unwanted sexual advances towards women. The man is a pig among pigs.
I’m going to back you on this. The guy who sexually assaulted/harassed me was about that age, wealthy and my boss. And I’ve seen and heard tales of it over and over again from women.
I do think its gotten better. Legal and HR are much faster to tell these guys that the women are not employed for their benefit. And there aren’t many of that generation left in the corporate world. But Trump is of the age where everyone looked the other way.
If Trump hasn’t left a string of payoffs and gag orders behind him - I’d be shocked. And nothing I’ve learned in the past day has changed my thought that he’s been asaulting women and then legally gagging them for years.
Women don’t come forward with this sort of stuff. They won’t win. It comes down to he said she said. Trumps lawyers say they will countersue for slander and you’ll have a million dollars in legal bills. But, if you drop it, here is $30k - and a gag order.
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### Author:  [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1105 "2016-10-08T22:12:15Z")
[Article in the New Yorker on the disrupting effect of memes on viral media.](http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-dank-memes-that-are-disrupting-politics)
> [@](#):
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> …virtual-reality billionaire Palmer Luckey had been quietly bankrolling an online group responsible for generating and spreading anti-Clinton memes of similarly “dank” quality.
> While Luckey’s stated goal was to get Trump elected, the candidate’s appeal was less about ideas than his ethos of negativity. The broader goal, Luckey explained, was to prove that “shitposting is powerful and meme magic is real”—maybe to create something that might be the inverse of Shepard Fairey’s catalyzing “Hope” or “Change” posters. Maybe, Luckey hoped, they could bring the disruptive, trollish possibilities of online mayhem to “real life.”
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### Author:  [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1106 "2016-10-08T22:12:45Z")
> [@running\_coach](#):
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> Obviously someone wrote that for her.
["Donald Trump is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life. "](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056218/)
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### Author:  [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1107 "2016-10-08T22:15:59Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> if you hire a hit man/assassin, you don’t expect to find him sitting next to you in church on Sunday
The thing is, people who go to church on Sunday should have no business hiring a hit man/assassin at all.
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### Author:  [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1108 "2016-10-08T22:16:07Z")
I’m going to quote myself, since I don’t think this comment got sufficient notice, due to the speed of this thread.
> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> 1. I think this latest Trump foot-in-mouth offense is giving some Republicans the excuse they have been LONGING for to denounce him without being accused of party disloyalty.
> …
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### Author:  [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1109 "2016-10-08T22:18:12Z")
> [@silenus](#):
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> John McCain - \*“Cindy and I will not vote for Donald Trump. I have never voted for a Democratic presidential candidate and we will not vote for Hillary Clinton. **We will write in the name of some good conservative Republican who is qualified to be President**.” \*
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> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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> Good luck finding one of **those** , bucko!
He’s talking about himself I think.
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### Author:  [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1110 "2016-10-08T22:21:17Z")
> [@Baker](#):
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> He’s talking about himself I think.
I stand by my snark. 😃
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### Author:  [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1111 "2016-10-08T22:22:33Z")
> [@Maastricht](#):
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> [Article in the New Yorker on the disrupting effect of memes on viral media.](http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-dank-memes-that-are-disrupting-politics)
Waiting for someone to take an Obama Hope image and turn it into a Trump meme: “GROPE”
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### Author:  [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1112 "2016-10-08T22:27:13Z")
> [@Briny\_Deep](#):
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> The thing is, people who go to church on Sunday should have no business hiring a hit man/assassin at all.
Sometimes, you just can’t wait for God to smite someone.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1113 "2016-10-08T22:28:06Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#):
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> I’m going to back you on this. The guy who sexually assaulted/harassed me was about that age, wealthy and my boss. And I’ve seen and heard tales of it over and over again from women.
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> I do think its gotten better. Legal and HR are much faster to tell these guys that the women are not employed for their benefit. And there aren’t many of that generation left in the corporate world. But Trump is of the age where everyone looked the other way.
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> If Trump hasn’t left a string of payoffs and gag orders behind him - I’d be shocked. And nothing I’ve learned in the past day has changed my thought that he’s been asaulting women and then legally gagging them for years.
>
> Women don’t come forward with this sort of stuff. They won’t win. It comes down to he said she said. Trumps lawyers say they will countersue for slander and you’ll have a million dollars in legal bills. But, if you drop it, here is $30k - and a gag order.
It seems very odd to me to be arguing on this MB against people who, apparently, think unwanted sexual touching/groping in the workplace was a relatively uncommon occurrence 50 years ago.
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### Author:  [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1114 "2016-10-08T22:28:58Z")
> [@Briny\_Deep](#):
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> The thing is, people who go to church on Sunday should have no business hiring a hit man/assassin at all.
Yes, but
> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> …the MORE disgusting and unprincipled he is, the MORE the evangelicals/super conservatives will want him to do the dirty work that no liberal wants to do.
> …
Like reverse Roe v. Wade, keep out non-Christian refugees, keep out desperate refugees from war-torn countries (even if they’re Christians), appoint super conservative Supreme Court Justices, in short, bring back White Christian America.
May have to break some heads in the process. Principles may have to be set aside for a while. That’s ok. It’s God’s work. Even if we made a deal with the devil to get it done.
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### Author:  [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1115 "2016-10-08T22:34:39Z")
[Melania’s response. Pretty mealy mouthed.](https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/melania-trump-statement)
Warning: The link is to the Trump campaign website.
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### Author:  [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1116 "2016-10-08T22:38:53Z")
> [@](#):
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> It seems very odd to me to be arguing on this MB against people who, apparently, think unwanted sexual touching/groping in the workplace was a relatively uncommon occurrence 50 years ago.
I more think the problem is when you repeatedly acted like this was no big deal and when you said "Lots of guys are pigs. Lots. And the love talking about sex. Maybe not so much 60-year-old guys (I think Trump would have been about that age when he made the comments), but younger guys? Yep. And not just HS sophomores. Put guys together and bragging about sexual conquests is SOP. I hate to burst your protective bubble, but that’s the way it is. " as though this was just sex instead of thrusting himself on women without warning. And then said it wasn’t sexual assault to grab a woman by the pussy if she didn’t do anything to stop it.
The later stuff - that there are plenty of people who will engage in sexual assault if they think they have the power to do so without reprisal - isn’t sd much the problem to me is as the repeated insistence that there’s nothing assaultish about it and the snide “protective bubble” comments when talking about how men talk **in the present day**.
I understand the belief this won’t kill Trump’s campaign - it’s like a friggin’ immortal, surviving things that would destroy any other candidate - but not the repeated “guys totally talk like this all the time when not in mixed company” when we’re talking about men talking about just going up and groping women without indication, without determining or regarding consent before acting.
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### Author:  [@ganthet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ganthet)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1117 "2016-10-08T22:44:35Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> Your link goes to The AZ Republic.
Oops. Here is the correct [CNN link](http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/08/politics/trump-on-howard-stern/index.html).
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### Author:  [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1118 "2016-10-08T22:45:35Z")
> **[Condoleezza Rice](https://www.facebook.com/condoleezzarice/)**
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> Condoleezza Rice. 648,697 likes · 238 talking about this. 66th Secretary of State. Professor, pianist, golfer, and football fan. Director of the @HooverInst.
Condoleezza Rice wants the Orange Groper to withdraw:
> [@](#):
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> Enough! Donald Trump should not be President. He should withdraw.
> As a Republican, I hope to support someone who has the dignity and stature to run for the highest office in the greatest democracy on earth.
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### Author:  [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1119 "2016-10-08T22:50:11Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#):
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> Hillary, darling, how are you!
These leaks may have convinced me to vote for Hillary over a third party (Trump, obviously, was never in the running).
Character is what you are in the dark. These leaks indicate that Hillary is honest, introspective, rational, and pragmatic. These qualities had not been obvious to me from her public appearances–but they come through clearly in the leaks.
She acknowledges that politics is a lot of sausage-making; that while she had a middle-class upbringing, she no longer has a strong connection to them; that she supports free trade; and so on. A lot of stuff that might sound bad to the profoundly ignorant and those unwilling to take context into account, but satisfyingly honest to those looking for more than soundbites.
I’ll have to think more on whether I can actually _support_ her, but that she’s _qualified_ is now without question to me.
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### Author:  [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1120 "2016-10-08T22:50:58Z")
Halfway through the debate Hillary should pull out a thing of tic tacs and offer them to Donald.
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### Author:  [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1121 "2016-10-08T22:54:25Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> Halfway through the debate Hillary should pull out a thing of tic tacs and offer them to Donald.
Pavlovian reflex: he tries to kiss her.
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### Author:  [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)
#### Post date: [October 8, 2016, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1122 "2016-10-08T23:09:28Z")
[Tic Tac responds](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/tic-tac-denounces-trump-229373)
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