# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1163 "2016-10-09T01:24:55Z")
Hard to keep up with this thread. And how soon will some other Trumpian bombshell go off? Unbelievable.
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### Author:  [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1164 "2016-10-09T01:30:24Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Hard to keep up with this thread. And how soon will some other Trumpian bombshell go off? Unbelievable.
CNN was just asking for any tapes of Stern’s show featuring Trump.
[CNN hires BuzzFeed’s ‘K-File’ investigative team](http://www.politico.com/media/story/2016/10/cnn-hires-away-buzzfeeds-investigative-k-file-team-004792)
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> CNN has poached BuzzFeed’s entire investigative political research team led by reporter Andrew Kaczynski.
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> BuzzFeed News’s “K-File” team, which includes Kaczynski, BuzzFeed News deputy politics editor Kyle Blaine, and BuzzFeed News reporters Nate McDermott and Christopher Massie, will begin working at CNN Tuesday, the cable channel told The Huffington Post, which first reported the hires.
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### Author:  [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1165 "2016-10-09T01:38:10Z")
Rumors are swirling that Pence is likely out, may wait to Monday to make announcement.
By the way…
> **[‘This is the man he is’: How vulgar video finally pushed a Trump supporter...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/this-is-the-man-he-is-how-vulgar-video-finally-pushed-a-trump-supporter-over-the-edge/2016/10/08/96172962-8d7e-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html)**
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> A Utah mom had decided to embrace the GOP nominee. Now she wonders if she deluded herself.
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### Author:  [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1166 "2016-10-09T01:41:52Z")
[RNC Staffers starting to refuse to work with Trump.](https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/rebellion-rnc-staffers-defying-orders-175422202.html)
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> Some staffers inside the Republican National Committee are rebelling and “defying orders” to continue working for Donald Trump, according to a source familiar with the situation.
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> “They’re dropping their duties to the campaign,” the source told Business Insider. “Turning their attention to Senate/House.”
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> “Folks at the RNC are disgusted,” the source said.
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> “Expect RNC [staffers] to start leaving if Reince doesn’t act,” the source added, referring to party chairman Reince Priebus.
Trump has no ground game on his own, of course, and was depending on the RNC to do it.
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### Author:  [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1167 "2016-10-09T01:42:26Z")
[Rob Portman](https://twitter.com/robportman?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor)has jumped ship.
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### Author:  [@Mona\_Lott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mona_Lott)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1168 "2016-10-09T01:46:49Z")
When will Cathy McMorris Rogers (R 5th District, Washington) announce her abandonment of Trump?
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### Author:  [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1169 "2016-10-09T01:48:04Z")
We’re literally watching a major political party implode before our very eyes. I wonder if there’s even going to be a GOP in 2020.
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### Author:  [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1170 "2016-10-09T01:48:42Z")
> [@JohnT](#):
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> Rumors are swirling that Pence is likely out, may wait to Monday to make announcement.
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> …
_All Events For Mike Pence Have Been Canceled According To Donald Trump’s Campaign Site_
> **[All Events for Mike Pence Have Been Canceled According to Donald Trump's...](https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2016/10/08/events-mike-pence-canceled-according-donald-trumps-campaign-site-n62454)**
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Wow, this is a really smart move for Pence if he plans on a 2020 run. He’d be wise to distance himself from Trump while he’s on a high from a successful debate performance.
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### Author:  [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1171 "2016-10-09T01:52:22Z")
Just when you thought it couldn’t get any more tawdry, tonight Trump is retweeting allegations from Juanita Broaddrick who says Bill Clinton raped her in 1978. If you combine that with the text of his non-apology:
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> I’ve said some foolish things, but there’s a big difference between the words and actions of other people. Bill Clinton has actually abused women, and Hillary has bullied, attacked, shamed and intimidated his victims. We will discuss this more in the coming days. See you at the debate on Sunday.
Trump’s dark strategy emerges – I said some bad things but Hillary is enabling her husband the rapist.
I think Juantia Broaddrick’s story is plausible but the allegations have not been tested in court. Even if they are true, I don’t see any wrongdoing on Hillary’s part.
So this will backfire because Trump is not running against Bill. He is running against Hillary, who is a sympathetic figure when it comes to Bill’s indiscretions.
The debate just got even more interesting.
The Juantia Broaddrick story: [http://www.nytimes.com/1999/02/24/us/on-tortuous-route-sexual-assault-accusation-against-clinton-resurfaces.html](http://www.nytimes.com/1999/02/24/us/on-tortuous-route-sexual-assault-accusation-against-clinton-resurfaces.html)
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### Author:  [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1172 "2016-10-09T01:52:36Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#):
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> Wow, this is a really smart move for Pence if he plans on a 2020 run. He’d be wise to distance himself from Trump while he’s on a high from a successful debate performance.
Most of the “defectors” are calling on Pence to take over the campaign. You gotta expect that is rankling Trump to his very bones. I’m assuming tension is high.
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### Author:  [@skdo23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skdo23)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1173 "2016-10-09T01:58:11Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#):
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> _All Events For Mike Pence Have Been Canceled According To Donald Trump’s Campaign Site_
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> [All Events for Mike Pence Have Been Canceled According to Donald Trump's Campaign Site – RedState](http://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2016/10/08/events-mike-pence-canceled-according-donald-trumps-campaign-site/)
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> Wow, this is a really smart move for Pence if he plans on a 2020 run. He’d be wise to distance himself from Trump while he’s on a high from a successful debate performance.
The article was just updated to include that two new events for Pence have been scheduled.
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### Author:  [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1174 "2016-10-09T02:01:22Z")
> [@Smapti](#):
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> We’re literally watching a major political party implode before our very eyes. I wonder if there’s even going to be a GOP in 2020.
Depends on how much staying power Trump’s more loyal adherents have. If they’ll stay with Republicans, the GOP can throw Trump under the bus (already I’ve seen several “Hilary would be losing against any other Republican” posts on other forums). If they quit caring within a few weeks of the election, they’ll probably stay with the GOP. If Trump actually gets replaced or faithless electors pledge otherwise when he wins states, that will be much more vitriolic. And implosion is very, very likely in that case.
There’s been some talk of a civil war between Trump and the RNC. One thing that I think they’re coming more face-to-face with is the growing gulf between what their base wants and what actual higher-ups in the party one. They’d never have wanted Trump as a candidate. I know the field was huge, but Trump won a lot of primary votes. They can appeal to that base, they can try to change the opinions of that base, or they can risk losing that base. They won’t vote Democrat. But they might stay home.
If the party splits, then it’ll still end up two major parties. I can’t say it’ll still be GOP. Could be in name only. But as long as they are split, they’re losing presidential elections. State level is different, and varied.
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### Author:  [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1175 "2016-10-09T02:02:52Z")
> [@Smapti](#):
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> We’re literally watching a major political party implode before our very eyes. I wonder if there’s even going to be a GOP in 2020.
IMO that’s a pretty severe overstatement.
Here in the US we love to talk about the presidential election as if it’s the only one that counts. This thread is certainly about that election only.
The Rs are pretty effective at getting congressmen, governors, and statehouse legislators elected. Year in and year out they outperform the Ds. Yes, gerrymandering is a factor and the timing of the last census definitely favored the Rs. But senators and governors aren’t gerrymanderable positions. Those folks win because their whole state leans R. And the evidence shows that more states lean R than D. At least now and for the next decade or two.
Yes, the Rs will be a bit less effective on the down-ticket in 2016 due to the Trump fiasco. Sure, the presidency matters.
But they’ll have at least 2 years to think about how to not screw it up in 2020. Maybe they’ll make some wise decisions and maybe they won’t.
This has all the looks to me of somebody that ate some badly food-poisoned tuna salad. It looked really good. Now they’re feeling really queasy. Real soon they’ll be barfing their guts out and hoping to die. But oddly enough pretty soon after they’ve purged enough they’ll start feeling better. Tomorrow will be another day. And they’ll eat again. Carefully at first, but pretty soon they’ll be back to normal.
Said another way, the Rs can’t collapse until something else is ready to rise in their place. We haven’t seen much evidence of real preparations for a real alternate conservative party. No matter which subgroup of conservatism you want to focus on.
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### Author:  [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1176 "2016-10-09T02:10:42Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> This is why they still support Trump. He’s the guy in the black hat who rides into town and cleans it up without a shred of moral scruples.
Is that why he’s always trying to squint like Clint Eastwood?
[ ](https://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o110/BlackHoney2007/TrumpSquinting2.jpg)
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### Author:  [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1177 "2016-10-09T02:11:06Z")
> [@Lakai](#):
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> The timing of this tape and the leak regarding Trump’s tax returns are too good politically for this not to have come from the Clinton camp. Which could mean there is more stuff coming down the pipeline.
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> And just last week Trump was threatening to say hurtful things about Clinton’s family. I find it slightly endearing that Trump thinks his school yard insults could bring down Clinton’s political machine. She just steamrolled right over him.
Sorry, ‘too good’ and ‘provably happened’ are two different things. How about providing some evidence (you know, what this board’s all about) for your claim? Don’t even bother arguing that the Post wouldn’t be salivating for a scoop of this magnitude against the guy that banned them from all of his political events.
Sorry, just because they benefited doesn’t mean they perpetrated.
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### Author:  [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1178 "2016-10-09T02:16:16Z")
> [@Grrr](#):
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> I’m surprised Paul Ryan is still holding on. He never wanted to endorse Trump in the first place. Now he has a legitimate reason (He’s always had a legitimate reason. But now he has one in the eyes of the GOP.) and he’s _still_ on board? WTF Paul?
A wealthy farmer owned a state-of-the-art grain silo that became infested by rats. Do what he might, the rats ate most of his grain. He tried to drive them out, to no avail.
The farmer noticed that the rats had chewed through electrical wires, and that the silo was at risk of catching fire. He stopped trying to drive the rats out, and instead waited. If the silo burned, the farmer thought, he could rebuild, free of rats at last. But if he entered the silo when it burned, the rats would eat him alive in their panic.
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### Author:  [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1179 "2016-10-09T02:17:09Z")
So while driving by his house today I noticed that my brother, who for years had a “President Obama” lawn jockey anchored in his front yard, has removed the Trump sign from his yard.
> [@kaylasdad99](#):
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> Now, don’t do anything rash. There’s a town hall-format debate coming up tomorrow; you might get your wish without having to so much as look at a guy cross-eyed…
Paul Ryan isn’t going to be at the debate.
> [@Morgenstern](#):
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> This is one reason early voting sucks. I wonder how many people voted for Trump and want their vote back now?
Tough shit.
> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> Yikes, this thread is running at the speed of light…
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> Coupla things:
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> 1. I think this latest Trump foot-in-mouth offense is giving some Republicans the excuse they have been LONGING for to denounce him without being accused of party disloyalty…
Especially since it looks like the RNC itself jumping ship (maybe throwing him overboard would be more apt).
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### Author:  [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1180 "2016-10-09T02:17:49Z")
> [@Mona\_Lott](#):
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> When will Cathy McMorris Rogers (R 5th District, Washington) announce her abandonment of Trump?
She has [condemned](http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/299963-wa-gop-chair-trump-comments-were-made-when-he-was-a-dem) him but amazingly, the state GOP chair has explained that Trump was a Democrat when he made the lewd remarks.
I guess that means it doesn’t count now :smack:
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### Author:  [@Junior\_Spaceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Junior_Spaceman)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1181 "2016-10-09T02:18:39Z")
[del]Rumors are flying that the RNC is done with Trump and are virtually conceding
[BREAKING: Republican Party SUSPENDS All Support For Trump, Campaign Implodes (DETAILS)](http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/10/08/breaking-republican-party-suspends-all-support-for-trump-campaign-implodes-details/)[/del]
Wait - it looks like this is just re-reporting an earlier story. Carry on.
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### Author:  [@ZebraShaSha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZebraShaSha)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1182 "2016-10-09T02:28:38Z")
Someone suggested it upthread, and already… [Grope 2016](https://imgur.com/gallery/E2yuWGp)
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