# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1243 "2016-10-09T16:40:09Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> You don’t see how lying makes a person untrustworthy?
Lincoln freed the slaves. His private views of slavery were not identical to his public views on slavery. And he’s Honest Abe to this day.
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### Author:  [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1244 "2016-10-09T16:43:01Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#):
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> This is so obviously not true, that it’s not worth discussing. There is likely not a single politician in the history of the United States who didn’t have private views that were not public.
Sorry, I misread your post and overlooked the “not.” My apologies. I agree with you.
Must, have, more, coffee…😉
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### Author:  [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1245 "2016-10-09T16:45:27Z")
> [@Colibri](#):
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> Sorry, I misread your post and overlooked the “not.” My apologies. I agree with you.
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> Must, have, more, coffee…😉
In that case, I take back all the private insults that I thought up, but didn’t publicly post!
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1246 "2016-10-09T16:47:24Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#):
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> Lincoln freed the slaves. His private views of slavery were not identical to his public views on slavery. And he’s Honest Abe to this day.
Marketing. Besides, I knew Lincoln. Abe Lincoln was a friend of mine. HRC is no Abe Lincoln.
You are actually going to say that you find liars to be trustworthy? If so, I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on that…
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### Author:  [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1247 "2016-10-09T16:50:15Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> Marketing.
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> You are actually going to say that you find liars to be trustworthy? If so, I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on that…
So, when you like the differing public vs. private opinions, it’s marketing. But, when you don’t, it’s lying. That’s convenient.
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### Author:  [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1248 "2016-10-09T16:58:10Z")
The Huntsville (Alabama) Times endorses (or rather, eviscerates Trump) in a state that’s been as red as can be.
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> Alabama has voted for every Republican candidate since Ronald Reagan, a man that captured our imagination with a hopeful view of America as a shining city upon a hill. Nearly 40 years later, Donald Trump offers a deeply cynical view of an America in ruin, an America that seems to exist only in his own dangerous mind. Even before the revelation of video evidence of Trump making lewd, demeaning comments advocating sexual advances on women against their will, we knew that he was unfit to lead this country. We unite with people across this nation — people of all parties, including an increasing number of Republicans — to reject the pessimism of his candidacy.
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> He is a narcissistic, childish bully who has mocked women, Americans with disabilities, veterans, Gold Star families, judges, immigrants, the working poor, people of faith, Muslim Americans, Jewish Americans, refugees, people with weight issues and any other group that challenges his inflated view of himself. A Trump presidency could send the Republican Party down a dark, exclusionary path, that would be tough to recover from.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1249 "2016-10-09T17:00:10Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#):
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> So, when you like the differing public vs. private opinions, it’s marketing. But, when you don’t, it’s lying. That’s convenient.
I’ve never called Lincoln “Honest Abe”. Is it your contention that marketing has never shaped the public’s option about something?
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### Author:  [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1250 "2016-10-09T17:02:17Z")
> [@Voyager](#):
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> Roma Downey was in Touched by an Angel, right? Seems appropriate now, though Trump is no Angel. Pussy grabbed by an angel, perhaps?
Touched by an Asshole has a nice ring to it.
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### Author:  [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1251 "2016-10-09T17:05:12Z")
Donald supporters on various forums are showing their true fascist colors: Calling republicans that have dis-endorsed Trump ‘Traitors’ and ‘Disloyal’. Sorry, but when a nominee wins a Primary (and by a plurality, not even a majority) it doesn’t mean the entire party swears allegiance to them. It doesn’t work that way and it was never meant to work that way.
As a leader Trump was supposed to lead his party to a victory. If he fails to do that through his own mistakes and failings (both present and past) then he can and should expect the party to disown him. That’s politics baby.
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### Author:  [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1252 "2016-10-09T17:05:14Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#):
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> In that case, I take back all the private insults that I thought up, but didn’t publicly post!
In my defense, I had just come from the Pit, where outrageously wrong statements are more to be expected. 🙂
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### Author:  [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1253 "2016-10-09T17:07:48Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> I’ve never called Lincoln “Honest Abe”. Is it your contention that marketing has never shaped the public’s option about something?
I’m not sure why you’re quoting me, when you seem to be disagreeing with someone else entirely.
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### Author:  [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1254 "2016-10-09T17:07:55Z")
Trump is in a dark, desperate frame of mind. He retweeted a brand new Juanita Broaddrick Bill Clinton rape accusation video this morning. He is going to get nasty in tonight’s debate and it will backfire on him “big league.”
Most telling is the NYT article: [Inside Trump Tower, an Increasingly Upset and Alone Donald Trump - The New York Times](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/10/us/politics/trump-tower.html)
He is losing support of the two main women in his life.
Ivanka is his pride and joy. He can hardly remember his other kids’ names but he praises her in every interview. But Ivanka, his ambassador to women, is not with him in Trump Tower with the rest of the inner circle. The “piece of ass” Stern interview on [cnn.com](http://cnn.com) probably didn’t help things.
The article also mentions Melania’s “lack of interest in appearing on camera” to say she supports Donald despite his behavior. She is probably working on an exit strategy from the marriage. She just found out that when her husband is away on “business,” he is actually kissing and grabbing p\_\_\_.
Trump will be in a bad state of mind. Not only is he probably going to get sleazy about Bill, he probably hasn’t done any traditional debate prep since the scandal broke. On a good day, he has trouble coming up with coherent thoughts on the Brexit, North Korea, Syria, etc. Expect lots of incoherent rambling tonight.
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### Author:  [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1255 "2016-10-09T17:10:01Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#):
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> The article also mentions Melania’s “lack of interest in appearing on camera” to say she supports Donald despite his behavior. She is probably working on an exit strategy from the marriage. She just found out that when her husband is away on “business,” he is actually kissing and grabbing p\_\_\_.
I most sincerely doubt she “just” found that out.
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### Author:  [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1256 "2016-10-09T17:13:11Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#):
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> She just found out that when her husband is away on “business,” he is actually kissing and grabbing p\_\_\_.
I can’t imagine that’s much of a surprise to her.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1257 "2016-10-09T17:13:57Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#):
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> I’m not sure why you’re quoting me, when you seem to be disagreeing with someone else entirely.
You made a statement about my personal beliefs. I disabused you of the mistake you made.
Now, do you want to talk about the trustworthiness of liars or not? I don’t trust them. YMMV.
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### Author:  [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1258 "2016-10-09T17:15:46Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#):
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> I most sincerely doubt she “just” found that out.
She’s probably not shocked but it is still a humiliation for her that the world knows her husband is chasing after married women and bragging about getting away with sex assault. She is probably thinking about getting out of this circus and starting a new life.
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### Author:  [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1259 "2016-10-09T17:19:26Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#):
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> I most sincerely doubt she “just” found that out.
My impression (second- if not third-hand) is that a fair number of wives of wealthy philanderers have something of a “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy going on: as long as her philandering husband doesn’t rub her nose in his indiscretions, she’s willing to turn a blind eye. The betrayal doesn’t come with the fucking, it comes with the public shaming that comes with being cheating on.
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### Author:  [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1260 "2016-10-09T17:21:18Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#):
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> He is losing support of the two main women in his life.
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> Ivanka is his pride and joy. He can hardly remember his other kids’ names but he praises her in every interview. But Ivanka, his ambassador to women, is not with him in Trump Tower with the rest of the inner circle. The “piece of ass” Stern interview on [cnn.com](http://cnn.com) probably didn’t help things.
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> The article also mentions Melania’s “lack of interest in appearing on camera” to say she supports Donald despite his behavior. She is probably working on an exit strategy from the marriage. She just found out that when her husband is away on “business,” he is actually kissing and grabbing p\_\_\_.
I have a hard time believing that this any of this is a revelation to either Ivanka or Melania Trump. It’s really rather hard to imagine Trump pulling off, or even trying for, a hidden life. Whether they hate it or mutely tolerate it ( or both ), I suspect it is something they long ago grew to live with, one way or another. If they hadn’t, they wouldn’t have stuck with him all these years. The public humiliation aspect on the other hand might be generating fresher wounds.
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### Author:  [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1261 "2016-10-09T17:21:46Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#):
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> I most sincerely doubt she “just” found that out.
But now she’s been publicly embarrassed by it.
And it’s been revealed that even when newly married to her, he was still doing it.
ETA:And **Tamerlane** and \*\*LHoD \*\*beat me to it.
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### Author:  [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1262 "2016-10-09T17:23:48Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> You made a statement about my personal beliefs. I disabused you of the mistake you made.
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> Now, do you want to talk about the trustworthiness of liars or not? I don’t trust them. YMMV.
My actual, non controversial opinion as copied from above:
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#):
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> If I were a politician trying to actually get stuff done, I would have a private opinion and a public opinion that would not be identical.
Or do you want to continue disagreeing with the strawman, who is apparently obsessed with marketing, who exists solely in your head?
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