# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread

**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")
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### Author: ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1283 "2016-10-09T18:42:08Z")

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> <https://twitter.com/chrisrodley/status/785129701270368256>

Trump’s statements on beauty, laid out as a beat poem.

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### Author: ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1284 "2016-10-09T18:44:31Z")

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> [@Tzigone](#):
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> I’m very curious as to the polls after Friday’s tape release. I know how politicians are reacting, but I want to know how likely voters are reacting. No so much those that were already decided on other candidates, but Trump supporters and undecideds. How many of the Trump supporters care - even enough to just not vote for Trump (not voting for anyone)?

> [@](#):
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> A 74-percent majority of all voters had a negative reaction to the video – including 47 percent who said their feelings were a zero (very negative). But there’s a partisan element to voters’ reactions to the video: 69 percent of Democratic voters said they had a very negative impression after watching it, but only 22 percent of Republicans gave it a zero rating. Ten percent of Republicans said the video gave them a positive feeling.
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> An even sharper partisan dynamic exists when voters were asked whether the video gives them a more or less favorable impression of Trump. Among all voters, 61 percent say it makes them feel either somewhat or much less favorable toward Trump, while 28 percent say it doesn’t affect their view of Trump; 8 percent said it makes them feel more favorably toward Trump.
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> Read more: [http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/politico-morning-consult-poll-229394#ixzz4McC1VZMh](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/politico-morning-consult-poll-229394#ixzz4McC1VZMh)  
> Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

Yep, feeling more favorably because sexual predators are fun for the whole family!

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### Author: ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)
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> [@jsgoddess](#):
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> Yep, feeling more favorably because sexual predators are fun for the whole family!

Trump has the sexual predator vote sewn up!

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### Author: ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1286 "2016-10-09T18:51:38Z")

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> [@raventhief](#):
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> I just saw a Trump ad with a bunch of supporters saying that Hillary said that they were deplorable. I’m a veteran, I’m a mom, I’m etc etc etc how dare she call me deplorable!
> 
> She said that about half of his supporters were deplorable BECAUSE they are:
> 
> _Racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic, you name it._  
> Congrats for going on TV to proudly claim that you are racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic and/or Islamaphobic. Good for you. If you embrace those sentiments - yes, you are deplorable. There is something wrong with you, if you think any of those traits are something to be proud of.

I thought Hillary should have issued a followup to the “deplorables” comment:

_“Yesterday, I said that half of Trump’s supporters were racists, xenophobes and misogynists. I would like now to go on record that half of Trump’s supporters are not racists, xenophobes and misogynists”._

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### Author: ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1287 "2016-10-09T19:05:16Z")

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Re the Wikileaks dump.

Clearly I also see nothing bad in them at all (and by most metrics I am fairly left of center) but let’s focus on the political impact at this particular moment in the election cycle.

Large segments of voting blocs are pretty much set by now.

On the Democratic side the lower information undecideds who are just tuning in now will be hearing mostly the Trump disaster news. Bits in these tapes that “reveal” her as being for large open markets (assuming good deals) and that she does not speak of the banking industry as a cartoon villain along the lines of Snidely Whiplash when speaking to bankers, will not be what gets their attention so much in comparison to Trump’s disgustingness. Clinton has them now.

And the core of Trump’s base, those who I do think of as deplorable albeit not all irredeemable, are his.

Two blocs that are movable though.

Those who do not who they dislike more. The large confirmation of the pig that Trump is raises that more than something that seems to confirm that Clinton will say more moderate statements to an audience of bankers than to a crowd of progressives, that she is a political (ew) creature.

And then those traditionally of the GOP who have been reluctantly passengers on the Trump train. These are not as much low information voters and to them this Wikidump may be reassuring that they can work with Clinton at a moment when they are en masse jumping off the train they are on.

I think this Wikidump helps her.

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### Author: ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1288 "2016-10-09T19:05:36Z")

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> [@Colibri](#):
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> Trump has the sexual predator vote sewn up!

But to be clear, it would be insulting to call them “deplorables.”

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### Author: ![Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_blistering_barnacle/32/3386_2.png) [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blue_Blistering_Barnacle)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1289 "2016-10-09T19:08:26Z")

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> [@jsgoddess](#):
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> Yep, feeling more favorably because sexual predators are fun for the whole family!

I can honestly say that this video has not changed my opinion of Mr. Trump one jot.

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### Author: ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1290 "2016-10-09T19:11:01Z")

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> [@AnalogSignal](#):
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> The article also mentions Melania’s “lack of interest in appearing on camera” to say she supports Donald despite his behavior. She is probably working on an exit strategy from the marriage. She just found out that when her husband is away on “business,” he is actually kissing and grabbing p\_\_\_.

…And maybe he’s finding out that “two day shipping from Slovenia” is actually three when it’s over Columbus Day Weekend…

> [@jsgoddess](#):
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> I most sincerely doubt she “just” found that out.

Maybe ‘flavor roulette’ isn’t as fun when the whole world knows you both are playing?  
“Blonde…?”  
“Wrong.”  
“Brunette…?”  
“Wrong.”  
“Red Head…?”  
“Warmer…”

> [@drad\_dog](#):
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> What’s your cite for Howard Sterns politics?

Any objections to the the Washington Post?  
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/03/howard-stern-and-6-others-who-called-it-on-donald-trump/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/03/howard-stern-and-6-others-who-called-it-on-donald-trump/)

> [@](#):
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> “…he has said clearly for more than six months that Trump would win the nomination. Perhaps Stern was influenced by his personal friendship with Trump, who he suggests might make Stern a Supreme Court justice.”

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### Author: ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1291 "2016-10-09T19:32:38Z")

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This article agrees with a comment I posted yesterday. Republicans tolerated Trump’s racism but couldn’t stand him attacking white women. It’s a poor reflection on Republicans that all of his other comments didn’t disqualify him.

> **[America is outraged by Trump. People of color say, 'It's about time!'](https://money.cnn.com/2016/10/09/news/economy/trump-white-women-race/index.html)**
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> Donald Trump has been offending different groups for a long time now, but offending white women has taken the outrage to another level.

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> Symone D. Sanders, a CNN Political commentator and former national press secretary for Bernie Sanders agreed.
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> “You apparently can say whatever you want about Mexicans, Hispanics & Black people, but the Republican Party draws the line on white women.”

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### Author: ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1292 "2016-10-09T19:33:44Z")

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Just for the record…my Trump-supporting Facebook “friend” has weighed in on the latest news, and has said that it hasn’t changed her views (or those of her like-minded friends) one bit.

So I stuck a toe in the water and asked “is there anything Donald could say or do that would make you change your vote?” and the answer was basically: as long as he continues to not be Hillary, he’s golden.

A lost soul. Sigh.

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### Author: ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1293 "2016-10-09T19:35:14Z")

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> [@F.U.Shakespeare](#):
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> I thought Hillary should have issued a followup to the “deplorables” comment:
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> _“Yesterday, I said that half of Trump’s supporters were racists, xenophobes and misogynists. I would like now to go on record that half of Trump’s supporters are not racists, xenophobes and misogynists”._

I can’t help but imagine that the “deplorables” comment would hurt worse if Trump and his merry band weren’t going out of their way to validate it.

[Presidential elections have become less volatile over time](http://election.princeton.edu/2016/10/09/how-should-volatility-be-defined/); Clinton’s sitting on such a big lead now, it would take a huge swing to upset her, and that’s realistically not going to happen.

The only thing I’m still concerned about are down-ticket races. Yes, I do still _watch_ the Presidential numbers, but that’s because I need a good, solid dose of schadenfreude.

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### Author: ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1294 "2016-10-09T19:40:41Z")

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> [@Boyo\_Jim](#):
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> IMO Hillary has her election locked up.

[QUOTE=Captain Steven Hiller]  
I ain’t heard no fat lady!  
[/QUOTE]  
:dubious:

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### Author: ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1295 "2016-10-09T19:50:10Z")

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> [@Derleth](#):
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> I can’t help but imagine that the “deplorables” comment would hurt worse if Trump and his merry band weren’t going out of their way to validate it.
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> [Presidential elections have become less volatile over time](http://election.princeton.edu/2016/10/09/how-should-volatility-be-defined/); Clinton’s sitting on such a big lead now, it would take a huge swing to upset her, and that’s realistically not going to happen.
> 
> The only thing I’m still concerned about are down-ticket races. Yes, I do still _watch_ the Presidential numbers, but that’s because I need a good, solid dose of schadenfreude.

…mmmmmm…tasty tasty schadenfreude.

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### Author: ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1296 "2016-10-09T19:59:06Z")

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> [@drad\_dog](#):
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> What’s your cite for Howard Sterns politics?

Last time I listened to HS, Giuliani was still mayor. I remember how in love with the guy he was.

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### Author: ![BlackKnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@BlackKnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlackKnight)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1297 "2016-10-09T20:13:39Z")

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> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> You don’t see how lying makes a person untrustworthy?

That depends on whether they are lying _to_ you, or _for_ you.

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### Author: ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1298 "2016-10-09T20:21:12Z")

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I don’t think I’ve seen anything on this (but granted I could’ve missed it), but t[here’s rumblings that there’s footage of Trump using the n-word on the set of “The Apprentice,”](http://theslot.jezebel.com/producer-says-theres-video-of-trump-saying-the-n-word-1787592521?rev=1476037887800&utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&utm_source=jezebel_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow) but producer Mark Burnett (Trump supporter) is threatening his employees not to let it get out. There’s supposedly a $5 million penalty for anyone that lets it leak, so people are appealing to Mark Cuban to cover the fine.

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### Author: ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1299 "2016-10-09T20:24:29Z")

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> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#):
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> I don’t think I’ve seen anything on this (but granted I could’ve missed it), but t[here’s rumblings that there’s footage of Trump using the n-word on the set of “The Apprentice,”](http://theslot.jezebel.com/producer-says-theres-video-of-trump-saying-the-n-word-1787592521?rev=1476037887800&utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&utm_source=jezebel_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow) but producer Mark Burnett (Trump supporter) is threatening his employees not to let it get out. There’s supposedly a $5 million penalty for anyone that lets it leak, so people are appealing to Mark Cuban to cover the fine.

The N-word. Now there’s a YUGE iceberg for the Trumptanic.

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### Author: ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1300 "2016-10-09T20:26:56Z")

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> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#):
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> I don’t think I’ve seen anything on this (but granted I could’ve missed it), but t[here’s rumblings that there’s footage of Trump using the n-word on the set of “The Apprentice,”](http://theslot.jezebel.com/producer-says-theres-video-of-trump-saying-the-n-word-1787592521?rev=1476037887800&utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&utm_source=jezebel_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow) but producer Mark Burnett (Trump supporter) is threatening his employees not to let it get out. There’s supposedly a $5 million penalty for anyone that lets it leak, so people are appealing to Mark Cuban to cover the fine.

They could probably crowd-source it at a dollar a pop and get it covered within an hour.

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### Author: ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1301 "2016-10-09T20:28:15Z")

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I’m getting my popcorn popper ready.

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### Author: ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1302 "2016-10-09T20:28:18Z")

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> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#):
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> I don’t think I’ve seen anything on this (but granted I could’ve missed it), but t[here’s rumblings that there’s footage of Trump using the n-word on the set of “The Apprentice,”](http://theslot.jezebel.com/producer-says-theres-video-of-trump-saying-the-n-word-1787592521?rev=1476037887800&utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&utm_source=jezebel_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow) but producer Mark Burnett (Trump supporter) is threatening his employees not to let it get out. There’s supposedly a $5 million penalty for anyone that lets it leak, so people are appealing to Mark Cuban to cover the fine.

I’m pretty sure that video of him using that word would actually gain him more supporters in the deplorable basket.

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