# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@ZebraShaSha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZebraShaSha)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1343 "2016-10-09T23:15:33Z")
I had a lively FB discussion with a man from Kentucky who has two daughters. His claim was that “boys will be boys” and Trump was probably lying anyway, checkmate. I asked if he would be comfortable with a man saying that about his daughters – that he could grab their pussy whenever he felt like it. He said, Benghazi.
I can’t even enjoy this election, it’s too depressing.
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### Author:  [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1344 "2016-10-09T23:17:41Z")
> [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](#):
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> Still, it is a pretty way of saying that you may not be “strictly honest” with your constituents, and it’s not a statement I’d want attributed to me just before an election, especially if I already suffered from trust issues.
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I’ve never understood the elevation of the value of _honesty_ above all else and at all times.
To me this implies that the whole world is entitled to know everything at any time. That strikes me as a very naive way of looking at a complex world. No hedging, concealment, discretion, or other subtleties that make life civilized. Why is this desirable? Some things need to be kept secret. Some things need to be revealed piece by piece. Some things should never be revealed. And some things should be totally transparent and out in the open. With maturity comes the wisdom and judgment to discern among the circumstances. Ideally, anyway.
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### Author:  [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1345 "2016-10-09T23:24:32Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> I’ve never understood the elevation of the value of _honesty_ above all else and at all times.
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> To me this implies that the whole world is entitled to know everything at any time. That strikes me as a very naive way of looking at a complex world. No hedging, concealment, discretion, or other subtleties that make life civilized. Why is this desirable? Some things need to be kept secret. Some things need to be revealed piece by piece. Some things should never be revealed. And some things should be totally transparent and out in the open. With maturity comes the wisdom and judgment to discern among the circumstances. Ideally, anyway.
Secrecy can be justified. Having one position that you cite for public consumption and another position you hold private, waiting for the right time to make it your public position, is basically fraud.
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### Author:  [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1346 "2016-10-09T23:27:33Z")
> [@jasg](#):
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> So like Clint debating an empty chair, Hillary will show up and debate an empty suit?
But unlike Clint, she’ll win the debate.
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### Author:  [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1347 "2016-10-09T23:30:22Z")
> [@Colibri](#):
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> Bill’s affairs of course don’t have anything to do with Hillary’s campaign, and bringing them up would backfire by making her more sympathetic as the wronged wife. He could, however, criticize her for demeaning the women who were Bill’s accusers and claiming that she doesn’t respect women either. …
And every person whose partner has cheated will think back to what they themselves said about their partner’s playmate…and recall how very few kind and warm remarks they made about that playmate.
The Trump people have been trying this “Hillary was mean to the women Bill cheated with” tactic for months. They keep trotting it out, apparently expecting that the USA is made up of people who said only _nice_ things about their partners’ playmates, and who will be outraged by the idea of saying _mean_ things about their partners’ playmates.
This expectation seems wildly divergent from basic human psychology.
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### Author:  [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1348 "2016-10-09T23:37:08Z")
> [@ZebraShaSha](#):
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> I can’t even enjoy this election, it’s too depressing.
We SDMB adorables should not mix with the deplorables.
Which thread are we supposed to post in tonight? This one or the SDMB live coverage one?
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### Author:  [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1349 "2016-10-09T23:39:55Z")
> [@jasg](#):
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> So like Clint debating an empty chair, Hillary will show up and debate an empty suit?
Already happened in the first debate, about to happen again.
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### Author:  [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1350 "2016-10-09T23:44:27Z")
An empty chair is one in which nothing is said. What Clinton actually debated was more like a backed up toilet.
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### Author:  [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1351 "2016-10-09T23:47:16Z")
Politico is reporting that Trump is convening a pre debate panel of women who have accused Bill Clinton of sexual misconduct.
> **[Trump Appears With Bill Clinton Accusers Shortly Before Debate (VIDEO)](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-panel-paula-jones-juanita-broaddrick)**
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> Donald Trump held a brief press availability with three women who've accused former President Bill Clinton of sexual misconduct shortly before the second presidential debate kicked off Sunday night in…
(on edit)
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### Author:  [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1352 "2016-10-09T23:47:26Z")
> [@F.U.Shakespeare](#):
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> After Reagan was elected, but before he took office, he announced that he was thinking about reinstating the draft. The first step of this was to reinstate mandatory registration, which was begun shortly thereafter (although an actual draft never followed).
Uh, except, that… it was \*\*\*Carter \*\*\*who restarted mandatory registration, [four months before the election](https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-94/pdf/STATUTE-94-Pg3775.pdf). It’s true that Ron DID make a habit of really aggressive, scary, muscular sabre-rattly talk to be followed by a more or less normal mix of both bold and boneheaded policies, but that first step was not on him.
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### Author:  [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1353 "2016-10-09T23:51:42Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#):
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> And every person whose partner has cheated will think back to what they themselves said about their partner’s playmate…and recall how very few kind and warm remarks they made about that playmate.
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> The Trump people have been trying this “Hillary was mean to the women Bill cheated with” tactic for months. They keep trotting it out, apparently expecting that the USA is made up of people who said only _nice_ things about their partners’ playmates, and who will be outraged by the idea of saying _mean_ things about their partners’ playmates.
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> This expectation seems wildly divergent from basic human psychology.
You missed the memo about how it’s totally different for girls and boys.
Men in the audience will recognize that Trump is saying that what Trump did is good because a Real Man did it and what Hillary did was bad because it interfered with Bill doing what Real Men do.
Women in the audience … What does Trump care what they think? They aren’t people. If they vote at all they vote as they’re told by their Real Man.
See it makes complete sense.
FTR: I’m not endorsing Trump’s “logic”, just explaining it.
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### Author:  [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1354 "2016-10-09T23:53:04Z")
> [@Merneith](#):
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> Yeah, I read John’s post. John’s post is distinguished by its complete lack of actual quotations of what Hillary said that is so _SCaaAAArrrRRRyyyy_.
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> I can’t help but note that this your third post, Lakai, which is also entirely free of _SCaaAAArrrRRRyyy_y quotes from the latest Hillary info dump. And yet you’re the one trying to convince us that this info dump would lose Hillary “significant” support.
Why are the quotes so important to you? Another poster summarized what was said and you can google several articles with the relevant quotes. That’s enough.
And now another poster supplied the quotes you were looking for. Are you satisfied now?
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> If you want to convince someone that there is anything damaging in Hillary’s speeches, you ought to be able to explain specifically what it is. You can’t even explain why John’s summation of Hillary’s remarks is supposed to anger her supporters.
I did not say it would anger her supporters. Just that it could lose her votes. And I did explain why.
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> Grownups know that people have private thoughts and you don’t just blurt everything out to everybody (I mean, I mostly do, but I’m upfront about disdain for being a grown up). Grownups are not going to be dismayed by the idea that the president has private meetings.
What about these [grownups](http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN1280Z9?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social)?
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> A hemisphere of open borders … you know, if Trump has said that, it would be because he was envisioning a world where the United States had conquered the whole continent. I don’t believe that Hillary’s supporters are scared that America is going to be overrun by hordes of Mexicans. In fact, I would bet that quite a lot of us still want to by the world a Coke.
Hordes of Mexicans? You are confusing free trade with immigration now. Maybe you should read up on why Hillary’s stance on free trade was such a major issue during the Democratic Primary.
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> But you know - without seeing Hillary’s actual words, it’s really impossible to hang any sort of actual argument on them. Until you bring actual quotes of actual words that Hillary said, you’re not going to convince anyone that Hillary is actually _SCaaAAArrrRRRyyyy_.
Her words were summarized, but that’s not enough for you apparently. It still gave you wiggle room to ignore them because they were not in quotes.
And I do not have to convince anyone that Hillary is “scary”, nor do I want to. My argument is that reading these revelations will cause Hillary to lose support. And you have failed to adequately explain why that won’t happen.
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### Author:  [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1355 "2016-10-09T23:53:26Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#):
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> Politico is reporting that Trump is convening a pre debate panel of women who have accused Bill Clinton of sexual misconduct.
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> [Trump Appears With Bill Clinton Accusers Shortly Before Debate (VIDEO) - TPM – Talking Points Memo](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-panel-paula-jones-juanita-broaddrick)
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> (on edit)
It was a bizarre and confusing panel of Clinton accusers:
> **[Join me in St. Louis, Missouri - as I conclude my debate prep. | By Donald J....](https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/videos/10157857037430725/)**
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> Join me in St. Louis, Missouri - as I conclude my debate prep.
Very bad audio. It looks like an outtake from Jerry Springer.
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### Author:  [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1356 "2016-10-09T23:53:37Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#):
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> Politico is reporting that Trump is convening a pre debate panel of women who have accused Bill Clinton of sexual misconduct.
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> [Trump Appears With Bill Clinton Accusers Shortly Before Debate (VIDEO) - TPM – Talking Points Memo](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-panel-paula-jones-juanita-broaddrick)
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> (on edit)
On CNN, Paula Jones, Broderick, Willey…and two others…Trump is riding this thing all the way into the wall…
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### Author:  [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1357 "2016-10-09T23:54:25Z")
Sanders supporters were right about her and Clinton supporters don’t even want to own it. Either that, or they have a SDMB position and a private position.
They are right that there’s nothing damaging about her speeches since she says nothing we didn’t already know about her: she’s pro-open borders, pro-free trade, pro-Wall Street even to the extent that she wants Wall Street to regulate itself and doesn’t feel Wall Street was responsible for the crash, and her positions are all strategic, not genuine.
So yeah, nothing damaging, just confirmation of what we all knew.
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### Author:  [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1358 "2016-10-09T23:54:30Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#):
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> It was a bizarre and confusing panel of Clinton accusers:
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> [Join me in St. Louis, Missouri - as I conclude my debate prep. | By Donald J. TrumpFacebook](https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/videos/10157857037430725/)
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> Very bad audio. It looks like an outtake from Jerry Springer.
I actually find some of these accusations against Bill Clinton to be credible. I find all of these accusations against Hillary Clinton to be bizarre.
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### Author:  [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1359 "2016-10-09T23:55:03Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#):
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> YOu missed the memo about how it’s totally different for girls and boys.
I guess so. So you’re saying that the Trump side’s position is that it’s fine for a man to say mean things about his wife’s lover, but icky and wrong for a woman to say mean things about her husband’s lover?
If so, I definitely missed that piece of cultural education.
ETA: Just read your edit–yeah, I guess that all fits in with the ‘Men are People and Women, who aren’t quite People, are here to help them’ philosophy. But I have to wonder how many women–even the right-wing variety–really, genuinely, and sincerely buy the concept that it’s horrible for a woman to say unkind things about their husband’s lover.
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### Author:  [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)
#### Post date: [October 9, 2016, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1360 "2016-10-09T23:56:39Z")
> [@adaher](#):
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> Sanders supporters were right about her and Clinton supporters don’t even want to own it. Either that, or they have a SDMB position and a private position.
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> They are right that there’s nothing damaging about her speeches since she says nothing we didn’t already know about her: she’s pro-open borders, pro-free trade, pro-Wall Street even to the extent that she wants Wall Street to regulate itself and doesn’t feel Wall Street was responsible for the crash, and her positions are all strategic, not genuine.
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> So yeah, nothing damaging, just confirmation of what we all knew.
Excellent broad-brush talking-points style attack. No nuance or complexity at all. Steve Bannon would be proud!
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### Author:  [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)
#### Post date: [October 10, 2016, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1361 "2016-10-10T00:00:08Z")
> [@UltraVires](#):
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> Trump is riding this thing all the way into the wall…
Ladies and Gentlemen… THIS…
…Is why we can never allow planned Parenthood to be defunded by Pence…
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [October 10, 2016, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1362 "2016-10-10T00:01:18Z")
Kellyanne needs to remind Trump about the first rule of holes. And not those kind of holes!!
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