# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2016, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/121 "2016-10-02T23:06:33Z")
> [@Maastricht](#): > > This March 2016 article is worth reposting. [“An Open Letter to Trump Voters from His Top Strategist-Turned-Defector”](http://www.xojane.com/issues/stephanie-cegielski-donald-trump-campaign-defector) Her predictions have been right so far. That was a good read. Unfortunatly, [her credentials and former position in his campaign are somewhat murky](http://www.snopes.com/stephanie-cegielski-letter-trump/). ---
**Author:** ![Mithras](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f04885/32.png) [@Mithras](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mithras)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2016, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/122 "2016-10-02T23:11:30Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Assange is at it again, this time claiming he’s going to make an announcement from his balcony on Tuesday which will “finish Clinton”. > ['Wednesday Hillary Clinton is done': Reports Julian Assange's announcement on Tuesday will finish her](http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/10/02/wednesday-hillary-clinton-done-reports-julian-assanges-announcement-tuesday-will-finish-396507) > > Yeah yeah Julian, you said it was going to be before the first debate, either shit or get off the pot. Assange said nothing about Clinton being finished. That’s just a quote from a Trump insider. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2016, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/123 "2016-10-02T23:16:26Z")
> [@skdo23](#): > > The article was just updated to announce that the announcement has been cancelled due to “security concerns.”:rolleyes: So… Why not just post it on the internet if it’s so significant? ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/124 "2016-10-03T00:22:06Z")
[LeBron James: Why I’m endorsing Hillary Clinton](http://www.businessinsider.com/lebron-james-why-endorsing-hillary-clinton-for-president-2016-9) His conclusion… > [@](#): > > We need a president who understands our community and will build on the legacy of President Obama. So let’s register to vote, show up to the polls, and vote for Hillary Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![skdo23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@skdo23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skdo23)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/125 "2016-10-03T00:40:13Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > So… Why not just post it on the internet if it’s so significant? Well, apparently these security concerns are so YUGE that they transcend the internet. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/126 "2016-10-03T01:07:40Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > So… Why not just post it on the internet if it’s so significant? The way I interpret it is this: - someone told Assange to drop it - someone’s afraid Hillary will now likely win - someone’s afraid of Hillary’s wrath - that someone might be Ecuador (and maybe Russia) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/127 "2016-10-03T01:28:18Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > And making Hillary achieve victim status is a true accomplishment. Not sure how young you are but Hillary was definitely considered the victim when the whole Monica Lewinsky thing happened. Especially when Republicans failed to convince America that the country was the real victim. ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/128 "2016-10-03T01:30:14Z")
possibility 5: it was all bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/129 "2016-10-03T01:50:37Z")
But see, that’s the thing: I didn’t think Assange was the type to not consider that he’d have to back up his promises. At the least, I thought he’d have to realize that delaying at this point for any reason, even if he does have something, given his stated goals, makes him and his information look less reliable. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/130 "2016-10-03T02:37:56Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > But see, that’s the thing: I didn’t think Assange was the type to not consider that he’d have to back up his promises. Too late, he’s already lost credibility by teasing a big ‘dump’ on Clinton for the last three months and then delaying and delaying. Think about his confinement and how bad your cabin fever would get, even federal prisoners get to go outside in a exercise yard most days. His worst fear isn’t being extradited to the US, it’s being ignored. I think he’ll just say whatever he needs to get headlines at this stage. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/131 "2016-10-03T03:36:26Z")
The wisdom of Rudy Giuliani: [http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/298899-giuliani-isnt-a-man-with-this-kind-of-economic-genius](http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/298899-giuliani-isnt-a-man-with-this-kind-of-economic-genius) > [@](#): > > “I want a man who’s a genius at figuring out how to take this country, that’s – moving in the wrong direction, where we’ve had a basically jobless recovery, where we’ve had growth of less than 2 percent for two years.” > > Giuliani called the country’s growth in the recent years “pathetic.” > > “Don’t you think a man who has this kind of economic genius is a lot better for the United States than a woman?” Giuliani then asked. ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/132 "2016-10-03T03:40:39Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > The wisdom of Rudy Giuliani: > [@](#): > > “Don’t you think a man who has this kind of economic genius is a lot better for the United States than a woman?” Giuliani then asked. Was he wearing his dress when he said that? ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/133 "2016-10-03T03:59:58Z")
You know… when your’e very little, you see the country’s leaders as almost mythical persons who are competent and knowledgeable beyond comprehension and always working with your best interests in mind. Then, as you get a little older, you see them as competent people who’s interests and desires may not always match those of you and your family. They’re not super geniuses or anything like that, but they’re also not your crazy aunt, your alcoholic uncle, or the weird guy down the street who believes in UFOs. Finally, maturity leads to the realization that, in fact, quite a few of them _are_ your crazy aunt, your alcoholic uncle, and the weird guy down the street who believe in UFOs. Actually there may a greater of percentage of crazy aunts etc. in politics than in the general population. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/134 "2016-10-03T04:53:43Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > You know… when your’e very little, you see the country’s leaders as almost mythical persons who are competent and knowledgeable beyond comprehension and always working with your best interests in mind. > > Then, as you get a little older, you see them as competent people who’s interests and desires may not always match those of you and your family. They’re not super geniuses or anything like that, but they’re also not your crazy aunt, your alcoholic uncle, or the weird guy down the street who believes in UFOs. > > Finally, maturity leads to the realization that, in fact, quite a few of them _are_ your crazy aunt, your alcoholic uncle, and the weird guy down the street who believe in UFOs. Actually there may a greater of percentage of crazy aunts etc. in politics than in the general population. That’s actually true, and there are lots of crazies in the House and Senate, but the unique thing this election cycle is that none of the crazies **has ever before actually been the official major party nominee for president of the United States**! That is a yuuuuge difference! \* Real Time with Bill Maher\* on Friday Sep 30 was a real eye-opener even for me, as much as I’m already aware of Trump’s imbecility. Great show overall with Trump’s idiot economic adviser on the panel, but the relevant part here is the “New Rules” segment in which at least half a dozen of Trump’s senior advisers – and presumably potential appointees to Cabinet and other senior governmental positions in the Trump administration – were featured. They were all without exception cheats, liars, and completely delusional lunatics. And of course SNL the next day! The satire of the first debate was comedic hyperbole, but man, so much truth! ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/135 "2016-10-03T07:49:55Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > FTSOTROTW (For the sake of the rest of the world) please ensure Trump doesn’t get within spitting distance of the White House. We in TROTW fear the global consequences of such an event…we’ve already got one Kim Jong-un in the world, we really don’t need an American version. > > Pretty please? OK, but you guys have to remove that Duterte asshole from power. He’s as bad or worse than Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/136 "2016-10-03T08:07:29Z")
[According to one of Trump’s talking heads on CNN](http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/gop-advisor-blames-clinton-for-tax-code-trump-exploited-shes-been-in-office-for-30-years/), it’s _Hillary’s_ fault that Trump hasn’t paid taxes since the '90s, because “she’s been in office for 30 years”. I’d like to know what elected or appointed offices he believes she held between 1986 and 2000, or what influence over tax law she had either as Secretary of State or as a junior minority-party senator on the Armed Services Committee. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/137 "2016-10-03T08:11:24Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > [According to one of Trump’s talking heads on CNN](http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/gop-advisor-blames-clinton-for-tax-code-trump-exploited-shes-been-in-office-for-30-years/), it’s _Hillary’s_ fault that Trump hasn’t paid taxes since the '90s, because “she’s been in office for 30 years”. Well of course, there’s a good reason she couldn’t fix the tax code, she’s been fighting ISIS her entire adult life . :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/138 "2016-10-03T08:44:57Z")
> [@dtilque](#): > > OK, but you guys have to remove that Duterte asshole from power. He’s as bad or worse than Trump. Sorry dude, all I can promise you is that Pedro Sánchez is probably not going to be Moncloa’s next boarder. We’re not in charge of our former colonies any more. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/139 "2016-10-03T11:58:42Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > You know… when your’e very little, you see the country’s leaders as almost mythical persons who are competent and knowledgeable beyond comprehension and always working with your best interests in mind. > > Then, as you get a little older, you see them as competent people who’s interests and desires may not always match those of you and your family. They’re not super geniuses or anything like that, but they’re also not your crazy aunt, your alcoholic uncle, or the weird guy down the street who believes in UFOs. > > Finally, maturity leads to the realization that, in fact, quite a few of them _are_ your crazy aunt, your alcoholic uncle, and the weird guy down the street who believe in UFOs. Actually there may a greater of percentage of crazy aunts etc. in politics than in the general population. > [@wolfpup](#): > > That’s actually true, and there are lots of crazies in the House and Senate, but the unique thing this election cycle is that none of the crazies **has ever before actually been the official major party nominee for president of the United States**! That is a yuuuuge difference! > … IMO **davidm** has described the real problem, but not in the way he probably expects. Most politicians are actually in **davidm** ’s Group 2. Decent and hard-working, even if their ideology is not your own. Yes, with a dose of self-serving on top in varying proportions based on the individual. The problem is large numbers of Americans have _believed_ for some years that almost all politicians are in **davidm** ’s Group 3. Especially those of the Other Side, whichever side that might be. Rs’ opinions of Ds are doubly so because of the aggressive relentless fact-free propaganda of Faux News. So when somebody (Trump) showed up who really was / is a walking talking embodiment of the limit case of a Group 3 politician, that seems very genuine to a big segment of the audience. He’s a cartoon villain lizard-person. Exactly like they believe every politician to really be. Trump just dispensed with the human mask over his lizard face. That’s refreshing! And candid! And makes the cynical CT-lite kind of thinkers believe they’re finally being vindicated. They’re thinking “Aha! I \*knew \*it!” So of course they love Trump. This is not good a good development, either Trump in specific or what he teaches all of us about the opportunities for demagoguery to succeed in our country today. I’m particularly concerned about what it teaches the other would-be demagogues waiting in the wings. Pollyanna-ism is not a helpful way to misbelieve about reality. But abject cynicism is just as false and far more corrosive to anything resembling decent society. It provides an excuse to expect nothing but the worst from others while simultaneously excusing nothing but the worst in yourself. It’s lazy, selfish, and ignorant all tightly wrapped into a toxic ball of nasty. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/140 "2016-10-03T12:23:15Z")
With regard to Clinton hammering Trump on unpaid bills (and Trump’s assertion that those people “didn’t do a good job”), I was hoping for Hillary to mention [del]Sparkle Motion[/del] [the USA Freedom Kids](http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/07/usa-freedom-kids-donald-trump-sue-lawsuit). “Donald, these young girls came out and performed their hearts out for you. I want you to look straight at the camera and tell those girls that they weren’t ‘good enough’. And tell them that not paying them is just ‘good business’.” Maybe next debate… > [@septimus](#): > > Hillary is now favored to win the same states won by Obama in 2012 except with North Carolina (D likelihood 61%) and Iowa (45%) swapping alignments. I’m just waiting for the Clinton ads featuring Trump’s tantrum following his Iowa caucus loss: “How stupid are the people of Iowa?” > [@](#): > > Paraphrasing another Doper, “Would you get on an airplane with a 22% chance of crashing?” I don’t understand this metaphor. Could you explain it in terms of Skittles? 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=8)