# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2016, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1523 "2016-10-11T01:47:25Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> I thought it was interesting that at the debate last night that Trump seemed to say he was making a point with his 3 AM tweets, namely, that if HE had been called at 3 AM, HE would have been awake to take the Benghazi phone call. Did anyone else take his (admittedly disjointed) comments that way?
That’s as good an explanation as any. I couldn’t figure out WHAT the fuck he was talking about.
He seemed to be boasting that using the technology and tweeting shit all the time made him Thoroughly Modern Millie.
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### Author:  [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2016, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1524 "2016-10-11T01:49:30Z")
This is a nice piece of spycraft.
Trump mentioned Blumenthal last night in relations to the Birther movement, dog-whistling to the Alt Right and their unwitting allies:
> **[Clinton Adviser Sid Blumenthal Spread Birther Story -- Editor](https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2016/09/16/hillary-clinton-adviser-sid-blumenthal-spread-birther-story-editor/)**
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> Though Hillary Clinton denied a role in the Birther conspiracy, editor James Asher remembered her aide Sidney Blumenthal spreading the rumor.
Now “Blumenthal” is pinning the blame for Benghazi on her. To an audience just primed and re-primed to dislike him.
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### Author:  [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2016, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1525 "2016-10-11T01:55:35Z")
So in other words, Wikileaks is Wikifakes?
Thought so.
Time to confront Russia.
Also well past time to really start squeezing Ecuador’s balls. Yah, yah, I know big, bad imperial USA picking on poor little Ecuador, but if memory serves me correct we were among the first to recognize her sovereignty.
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### Author:  [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2016, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1526 "2016-10-11T02:11:14Z")
> [@Merneith](#):
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> Holy hell.
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> Summation, as provided by this Newsweek article -
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> [http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-sidney-blumenthal-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635](http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-sidney-blumenthal-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635)
> Kurt Eichenwald wrote an article discussing Benghazi and how the attack was preventable. “Someone” swiped two lines from that article, worked it into a phony email purporting to be from Sidney Blumenthal to Hillary Clinton, and released it with the latest Wikileaks info dump.
Isn’t it possible that the email is genuine and Blumenthal plagiarized Eichenwald? I should say, I’m not proposing this, just trying to understand what’s going on here.
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### Author:  [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2016, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1527 "2016-10-11T02:13:14Z")
> [@asahi](#):
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> So in other words, Wikileaks is Wikifakes?
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> Thought so.
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> Time to confront Russia.
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> Also well past time to really start squeezing Ecuador’s balls. Yah, yah, I know big, bad imperial USA picking on poor little Ecuador, but if memory serves me correct we were among the first to recognize her sovereignty.
Exactly.
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### Author:  [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2016, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1528 "2016-10-11T02:14:18Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#):
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> Isn’t it possible that the email is genuine and Blumenthal plagiarized Eichenwald?
He plagiarized the piece he attached? You do that?
Seriously, though, Trump quoted not the email, but the Sputnik article which faked its reporting.
> [@](#):
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> Of course, this might be seen as just an opportunity to laugh at the incompetence of the Russian hackers and government press—once they realized their error, Sputnik took the article down. But then things got even more bizarre.
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> **This false story was only reported by the Russian controlled agency** (a reference appeared in a Turkish publication, but it was nothing but a link to the Sputnik article). **So how did Donald Trump end up advancing the same falsehood put out by Putin’s mouthpiece?**
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### Author:  [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2016, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1529 "2016-10-11T02:17:11Z")
[Trump’s Virginia campaign manager was fired after organizing a protest of the Republican Party outside RNC headquarters.](http://wjla.com/news/local/trump-va-campaign-chair-corey-stewart-fired-for-organizing-protest-outside-rnc)
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### Author:  [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2016, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1530 "2016-10-11T02:22:29Z")
> [@coremelt](#):
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> Trump Taj Mahal closes today, 3000 people lose jobs.
> [http://www.abc12.com/content/news/NEW-Trump-Taj-Mahal-to-close-26-years-after-Trump-opened-it-396505561.html](http://www.abc12.com/content/news/NEW-Trump-Taj-Mahal-to-close-26-years-after-Trump-opened-it-396505561.html)
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> Now as far as I know Trump hasn’t had anything to do with running the place for a while now, but his name is still on it and I think he still owned a chunk of it. Anyway the timing is terrible, it’s horrible optics for him and yet another nail in the coffin to kill the idea that he’s an amazing businessman.
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> Seriously, what kind of knob can’t even run a casino profitably?
Not picking on you, specifically, but my understanding is that actually it’s quite easy to lose money running a casino. Make it too big, or one of too many, for the regional market, finance too much of it with leveraged money and put it in a place where no one wants to go during the winter.
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### Author:  [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2016, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1531 "2016-10-11T02:22:51Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#):
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> Something is “minutes away” and I’d bet it’s gonna involve Russia. I haven’t been following any of the KE aspect of things; can anyone summarize his position/role in this brouhaha?
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> …
I wonder if it’s Pence announcing he’s no longer an undecided voter?
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### Author:  [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2016, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1532 "2016-10-11T02:24:44Z")
Just FYI, Eichenwald is updating his article, not writing a new one. So refresh for the more info - essentially details about Trump using the Sputnik article directly at a rally tonight.
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### Author:  [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2016, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1533 "2016-10-11T02:28:26Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> Fish babies? You mean offspring of aquatic creatures? Or something else?
Shit! Trump raped a mermaid!
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### Author:  [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2016, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1534 "2016-10-11T02:30:46Z")
> [@JohnT](#):
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> He plagiarized the piece he attached? You do that?
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> Seriously, though, Trump quoted not the email, but the Sputnik article which faked its reporting.
I’m apparently not understanding. So, Russian news published a falsified article. Trump cited it hours later. Does it have to be that they are working together and not that he has people who have a google alert that pulled up this falsified article.
(I’m not a Trump supporter, and I want him desperately to be outed as the con man he is. I’m’ not JAQing, I just genuinely don’t get the timeline here.)
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### Author:  [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2016, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1535 "2016-10-11T02:34:46Z")
That is the question Eichenwald posed to Trump: how did you come to quote a single article published just this morning by the Russian News agency, directly quoting _the plagiarized lines_?
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### Author:  [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2016, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1536 "2016-10-11T02:35:23Z")
> [@elucidator](#):
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> Shit! Trump raped a mermaid!
He tried to grab her pussy, but…
MERMAID PARADOX!
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### Author:  [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2016, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1537 "2016-10-11T02:39:08Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> I thought it was interesting that at the debate last night that Trump seemed to say he was making a point with his 3 AM tweets, namely, that if HE had been called at 3 AM, HE would have been awake to take the Benghazi phone call. Did anyone else take his (admittedly disjointed) comments that way?
No cite, but I seem to recall seeing more than one article mentioning that Trump is proud of how little he sleeps.
With that in mind, I suspect that one possible reason for his strange, disconnected speech patterns is…because of how little he sleeps.
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### Author:  [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2016, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1538 "2016-10-11T02:41:01Z")
> [@JohnT](#):
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> That is the question Eichenwald posed to Trump.
So, no one is posing a direct link from Putin to Trump, just that Trump was too willing to run with a published falsified document as proof?
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### Author:  [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2016, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1539 "2016-10-11T02:43:58Z")
> [@JohnT](#):
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> That is the question Eichenwald posed to Trump: how did you come to quote a single article published just this morning by the Russian News agency, directly quoting _the plagiarized lines_?
And, as noted above (or maybe it was in the other thread): isn’t it an amazing coincidence that the email is allegedly from Sidney Blumenthal, whom Trump had name-checked in last night’s debate?
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### Author:  [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2016, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1540 "2016-10-11T02:45:53Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#):
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> Not picking on you, specifically, but my understanding is that actually it’s quite easy to lose money running a casino. Make it too big, or one of too many, for the regional market, finance too much of it with leveraged money and put it in a place where no one wants to go during the winter.
Casinos across the continent are not doing well. There are too many of them and the gambling revenue is too thinly spread. This isn’t a Trump failure, it’s industrynwide.
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### Author:  [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2016, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1541 "2016-10-11T02:47:51Z")
> [@RickJay](#):
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> Casinos across the continent are not doing well. There are too many of them and the gambling revenue is too thinly spread. This isn’t a Trump failure, it’s industrynwide.
Though, was that the case 20-plus years ago, when Trump suffered the big loss on his casino business? (It might have been; I don’t follow the industry enough to know, though it seems like the 90s were the building boom, as gambling laws were loosened.)
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### Author:  [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2016, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1542 "2016-10-11T02:48:35Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#):
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> Isn’t it possible that the email is genuine and Blumenthal plagiarized Eichenwald? I should say, I’m not proposing this, just trying to understand what’s going on here.
The thing is, the original article that was plagiarized was about the politicization of the Benghazi investigations. The original article is mentioned by name in letter written by “Blumenthal” so we know that writer is familiar with it. However, the two plagiarized sentences, in “Blumenthal’s” usage, change the meaning. “Blumenthal” quoted those two sentences to make it seem like Podesta and “Blumenthal”, Clinton Cronies, were agreeing that the attack as preventable. In the original article by Eichenwald, those sentences are part of a whole article saying, essentially, even if the attack was preventable, the Republican politicization of the attack was damaging and problematic.
By deliberatately cherrypicking the plagarized portions, Fake “Blumenthal” changed the meaning of the lines. What’s the use of plagarizing something if you’re just going to alter the meaning of the words?
So while it’s feasible that “Blumenthal” might have been the real Sidney Blumenthal plagiarizing Eric Eichenwald - it’s seems pretty unlikely. It would have been pointless and self-defeating.
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