# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/141 "2016-10-03T12:49:29Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > The wisdom of Rudy Giuliani: > [http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/298899-giuliani-isnt-a-man-with-this-kind-of-economic-genius](http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/298899-giuliani-isnt-a-man-with-this-kind-of-economic-genius) Over the last week I’ve grown more and more convinced that the Nineteenth Amendment is going to save this country. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/142 "2016-10-03T13:01:06Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > [According to one of Trump’s talking heads on CNN](http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/gop-advisor-blames-clinton-for-tax-code-trump-exploited-shes-been-in-office-for-30-years/), it’s _Hillary’s_ fault that Trump hasn’t paid taxes since the '90s, because “she’s been in office for 30 years”. > > I’d like to know what elected or appointed offices he believes she held between 1986 and 2000, or what influence over tax law she had either as Secretary of State or as a junior minority-party senator on the Armed Services Committee. She’s the _Establishment._ Duh. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/143 "2016-10-03T13:31:20Z")
Michael Chertoff endorses Clinton. Why does this “no-name” matter? [Because he was the Republican Whitewater Prosecutor throughout the 1990s.](http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/298942-gop-whitewater-prosecutor-endorses-clinton). He even alludes to regret in his role: > [@](#): > > Chertoff’s support for Clinton is notable not only because of his word for President George W. Bush’s administration but because he was a Republican prosecutor who led the Congressional investigation into the Whitewater controversy involving the Clintons real estate investments. > > **“I realized we spent a huge amount of time in the 90s on issues that were much less important than what was brewing in terms of terrorism,”** said Chertoff, who served as the lead GOP counsel on the Senate Whitewater Committee, during an interview with Bloomberg published Monday. > “[Clinton] has good judgment and a strategic vision how to deal with the threats that face us,” he added of the Democratic presidential nominee. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/144 "2016-10-03T14:18:08Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > So when somebody (Trump) showed up who really was / is a walking talking embodiment of the limit case of a Group 3 politician, that seems very genuine to a big segment of the audience. He’s a cartoon villain lizard-person. Exactly like they believe every politician to really be. Trump just dispensed with the human mask over his lizard face. That’s refreshing! And candid! And makes the cynical CT-lite kind of thinkers believe they’re finally being vindicated. They’re thinking “Aha! I \*knew \*it!” So of course they love Trump. So they fall in love with Palpatine only after he is [demasked](http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/palpatine_edit_3255.jpg). 😕:eek: ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/145 "2016-10-03T14:32:08Z")
With 5 weeks left, Trump is chest deep in controversy. The pressure is building and he’s showing little cracks (3 AM Twitter meltdowns). It’s interesting how, for the last 60 days, negative coverage worked to Trump’s advantage. Any attention is good attention sort of thing. Now, endgame of the election cycle, the negative press is coming at him from 360 degrees. I’ve never seen media sources call any candidate a liar before. Next poll. After the election, how many lawsuits will Trump file? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/146 "2016-10-03T14:52:45Z")
I would just like to point out that Voting Registration deadlines will begin ending within the next week (a large number stop accepting registrations by 10-11-16). Therefore, if there are huge swaths of never-voted white assholes that are going to tilt the election towards Trump\*, they have but a few days to get off their couches and register to vote. > **[Election Dates & Deadlines | U.S. Vote Foundation](https://www.usvotefoundation.org/state-election-dates-and-deadlines)** > > Find upcoming elections with US Vote's Election Dates and Deadlines tool. Includes voter registration, absentee ballot deadlines and early voting dates. \*A theory I never subscribed to. Oh, they’re out there. But they are _lazy_. Working with these people for 20 years trying to get them to deliver phone books… yeah, I can tell you, they much rather whine than work. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/147 "2016-10-03T17:08:41Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I would just like to point out that Voting Registration deadlines will begin ending within the next week (a large number stop accepting registrations by 10-11-16). Therefore, if there are huge swaths of never-voted white assholes that are going to tilt the election towards Trump\*, they have but a few days to get off their couches and register to vote. [fivethirtyeight](http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/missing-white-voters-could-elect-trump-but-first-they-need-to-register/) did a story about that a few days ago. > [@](#): > > Although Trump may be converting plenty of existing voters to his side, there’s really very little evidence that previous nonvoters are coming out of the woodwork in large numbers for him. > > According to the Census, 40.2 million eligible whites weren’t registered to vote at all in 2012. That’s much larger than the 14.7 million whites who were registered but didn’t turn out. Therefore, if Trump were truly inspiring an uprising of “missing” whites, we should expect a surge (or at least an uptick) in new registrations in blue-collar white and GOP-leaning places — think a mirror image of the Obama registration boom of 2008. > > But nothing like that has materialized. In the 15 months since Trump announced his run, net registration gains in heavily white, rural and GOP-leaning counties have been unremarkable. > > It could be that Trump is motivating slightly more new voters against him than for him. Or, perhaps more likely, it could be that white working class voters are out there to be activated, but Trump’s campaign and the Republican National Committee have waited until too late to build the analytics and ground infrastructure necessary to identify and register them. That’s where Clinton and the Democrats have excelled. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/148 "2016-10-03T17:09:15Z")
[NY Attorney General sends cease and desist order to Trump Foundation.](http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/03/ny-attorney-general-sends-cease-and-desist-order-to-trump-foundation.html) > [@](#): > > This story is developing. Please check back for further updates. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/149 "2016-10-03T17:38:21Z")
At a certain point, does Trump have to put his candidacy on the back burner just to stay out of jail? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/150 "2016-10-03T17:46:12Z")
Mr. Diarrhea Mouth, in his babbling bullshit in front of a veterans group, [suggested that people with PTSD aren’t “strong.”](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-veterans-ptsd-not-strong-229050?cmpid=sf) If he would just take a breath and \*think \*before he starts his babbling once in a while. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/151 "2016-10-03T17:55:00Z")
Clinton speaking in Toledo, OH right now. On Mark Cuban, “He actually is a real billionaire.” ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/152 "2016-10-03T18:13:44Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Mr. Diarrhea Mouth, in his babbling bullshit in front of a veterans group, [suggested that people with PTSD aren’t “strong.”](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-veterans-ptsd-not-strong-229050?cmpid=sf) > > If he would just take a breath and \*think \*before he starts his babbling once in a while. Calling for mental health care for returning vets should be right up there with motherhood and apple pie. Every politician should be able to pull that off, even if they don’t really mean it. And this guy can’t even do \* that\* without being a prick about it. “Yeah, sure, we need mental health care for all those pussies who couldn’t handle it. I bet some of them were the same ones who stole the money we sent to Iraq. Some of them were probably even captured by the enemy like pussy John McCain. And some, I assume, are good people.” ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/153 "2016-10-03T18:23:47Z")
Trump on Twitter: > [@](#): > > [I know our complex tax laws better than anyone who has ever run for president and am the only one who can fix them.](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/782541307168391168) ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/154 "2016-10-03T18:52:34Z")
I was only halfway paying attention, but I think Ron Paul just said he was voting for Jill Stein on MSNBC. I’ll see if I can find a link to back that up. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/155 "2016-10-03T19:03:04Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > I was only halfway paying attention, but I think Ron Paul just said he was voting for Jill Stein on MSNBC. > > I’ll see if I can find a link to back that up. Looks like you’re right. > ETA: Tweet I linked to mistakenly wrote “Rand” but it was Ron as you said. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/156 "2016-10-03T19:05:14Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Calling for mental health care for returning vets should be right up there with motherhood and apple pie. Every politician should be able to pull that off, even if they don’t really mean it. And this guy can’t even do \* that\* without being a prick about it. > > “Yeah, sure, we need mental health care for all those pussies who couldn’t handle it. I bet some of them were the same ones who stole the money we sent to Iraq. Some of them were probably even captured by the enemy like pussy John McCain. And some, I assume, are good people.” I remember seeing a video collection of him telling others that “his genes are superior”; so yeah, besides dabbling in scientific racism that view also leads to rotten conclusions like the one Trump is making there. > **[This May Be The Most Horrible Thing That Donald Trump Believes](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-eugenics_n_57ec4cc2e4b024a52d2cc7f9)** > > And it just may be the master key to unlocking how he thinks. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/157 "2016-10-03T19:33:11Z")
Clinton’s new ad attacks Trump for his taxes. > **[Hillary Clinton just released a brutal ad about Trump's tax-dodging](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/hillary-clinton-releases-ad-slamming-trump-not-paying-taxes/)** > > The ad is based on a New York Times report suggesting Trump may not have paid taxes in 18 years. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/158 "2016-10-03T19:52:19Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > At a certain point, does Trump have to put his candidacy on the back burner just to stay out of jail? He’s probably thinking of how it’s done in banana republics and such where as soon as he wins he simply fires all the judges, investigators, and prosecutors then suddenly all his problems vanish. The cowed (or wholly-owned) media falls in line with “Crimes? what crimes? we remember no crimes!?” and all is well in Trumpsylvania. So now he. Must. Try. Harder. Expect to see him kick it up a notch or two. Fortunately his idea of what to do more of / better at is counterproductive to his winning. It’ll be an epic death spiral. Perhaps he’ll get his head so far up his butt he turns into a quantum singularity. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/159 "2016-10-03T21:33:25Z")
I’ve thought he was about to have an epic death spiral several times now. He always manages to right the ship (he says, deftly mixing metaphors). Fortunately time is running out and, more importantly, there are fewer events where the ticket can make a difference (the VP debate and the last Presidential one is all that is left, really) so he doesn’t have to crash, he just has to be still nose-diving on November 8th. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/160 "2016-10-03T21:41:32Z")
The past two weeks have gone beyond PR and have ventured into crimes. Hard to pull out of that one, especially when running for President. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=9)