# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 80
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1583 "2016-10-11T13:27:04Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I am surprised and saddened that the party that pledged just this last Spring to protect my little girl from being groped in a Target bathroom in any random city in North Carolina… > > Would refuse to protect her from their Presidential candidate, saying after he assaulted her that “boys will be boys” > > Hey, Republicans! FUCK YOU! Well, you know, getting assaulted by a transwoman would be gross. Getting assaulted by Donald Trump would be a privilege. (Deep sarcasm for anyone who is missing it). ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1584 "2016-10-11T13:27:21Z")
> [@Crybaby\_Boobie](#): > > [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/11/us/politics/republican-reaction-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/11/us/politics/republican-reaction-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news) > > I know all year we’ve been talking about split-ticket voting, where Republicans would not vote Trump but still go GOP the rest of the way. This is the first time I am noticing that it works both ways, and there are people who are now actually ONLY voting Trump, and spiting the rest of the Republican candidates for not supporting him. I’m amazed, and a little giddy at the idea. If that pans out it’d be a real game changer for the next four-plus years. Go Trumpers!! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1585 "2016-10-11T13:27:58Z")
> [@Crybaby\_Boobie](#): > > [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/11/us/politics/republican-reaction-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/11/us/politics/republican-reaction-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news) > > I know all year we’ve been talking about split-ticket voting, where Republicans would not vote Trump but still go GOP the rest of the way. This is the first time I am noticing that it works both ways, and there are people who are now actually ONLY voting Trump, and spiting the rest of the Republican candidates for not supporting him. I’m amazed, and a little giddy at the idea. This is why prominent Republicans like Ryan are acting so scared – they’re worried if they turn away from Trump too hard, the hard-core Trumpers will actually vote against them. You can see this on places like the subreddit r/The\_Donald – I’ve seen headlines like “Punish the TRAITORS and BACKSTABBERS at the ballot box”, urging Trump supporters to vote for Trump but no other Republican unless they are still actively supporting and campaigning for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1586 "2016-10-11T13:29:24Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > The elites have been leaving Trump for a while now and it just strengthens his bona fide radical credentials. I think that’s what’s happening in the polls – he’s still maintaining his core support. It’s not like any of these scandals is causing a massive walkout. He will get a minimum of 28 - 35 percent of the vote no matter what happens. But that’s really where the polls seem to be headed now. He’s down into deplorables territory. Maybe we should provide a free “I’m deplorable” t-shirt (or forehead tattoo) to everyone who votes for Trump. Re: reporting within the Muslim/immigrant community, liked the news report from Germany this a.m. about the Syrian refugees arresting the would-be bomber. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1587 "2016-10-11T13:41:27Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > This is why prominent Republicans like Ryan are acting so scared – they’re worried if they turn away from Trump too hard, the hard-core Trumpers will actually vote against them. You can see this on places like the subreddit r/The\_Donald – I’ve seen headlines like “Punish the TRAITORS and BACKSTABBERS at the ballot box”, urging Trump supporters to vote for Trump but no other Republican unless they are still actively supporting and campaigning for Trump. Son of a gun, I never thought that I would support the Trump movement over the mainstream GOP leaders, but I love this idea! Trump is toast anyway, so why not take down the Senate! Go for the House was well! That will show them! If I can’t have my toys, so one else can either!\* Except Hillary.\*\* \*I’m TokyoBayer and this message was approved by my inner three-year-old child. \*\* My inner three-year-old doesn’t care. My God, these guys are crybabies. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1588 "2016-10-11T13:57:36Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > My God, these guys are crybabies. Well yes, but Trump is encouraging them, he’s hinted at his rallies that they shouldn’t vote for any GOP that have dis-endorsed him. I think he honestly doesn’t care if the resulting split destroys the GOP, because he’s convinced he’d remain standing as the leader of a new Trump party that would be competitive. Of course he’s deluded, but we’ve always known that. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1589 "2016-10-11T14:01:40Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Re: reporting within the Muslim/immigrant community, liked the news report from Germany this a.m. about the Syrian refugees arresting the would-be bomber. [Here’s the Times article](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/11/world/europe/germany-syrian-arrest.html?_r=0) on that arrest. Of course, this can be read either as “see, there ARE terrorists among the refugees,” OR as “see, the refugees themselves are on our side (nearly all of them), and are taking risks to help fight terrorism.” So, kind of a wash, politically speaking. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1590 "2016-10-11T14:11:50Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I am surprised and saddened that the party that pledged just this last Spring to protect my little girl from being groped in a Target bathroom in any random city in North Carolina… > > Would refuse to protect her from their Presidential candidate, saying after he assaulted her that “boys will be boys” > > Hey, Republicans! FUCK YOU! To be fair that is at least an internally consistent opinion. Boys will grope women they find attractive any chance they are alone with them, if a man transitions to a woman they are still a man just a crazy one, if a crazy man grapes a woman it’s non good if a sane man grapes a women it’s just normal. Their objections isn’t to a man groping a woman just the crazy or transsexual. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1591 "2016-10-11T14:21:48Z")
TRUMP UNSHACKLED: > ---
**Author:** ![Tzigone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1592 "2016-10-11T14:22:30Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Nobody is claiming that Trump himself found the news article. But if it was public, I’m sure he has someone on his staff capable of doing an internet news search. > > I hate defending him, and I’m not ruling out this direct connection, but this, unfortunately, is not a smoking gun because personally, the easiest answer is that his staff found this and ran with it. I have to agree. Sputnik news end up on Reddit sometimes, so it’s not it’s a super-secret site that no one has ever heard of. There is a perfectly reasonable explanation in that. Accusations such as this should not be made without more evidence than this. If for no other reason that they start getting ignored and won’t be paid attention to when there is something real. Many will say the same about Clinton - so many crazy, false, overhyped accusations than any real disturbing behavior is lost in the shuffle or ignored without examination because it’s just assumed to be more muck-racking. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1593 "2016-10-11T14:28:36Z")
[Will wonders never cease?](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/glenn-beck-hillary-clinton_us_57fc695be4b0e655eab74351) > [@](#): > > ``` > If she is elected, the world does not end.... Once elected, Hillary can be fought. Her tactics are blatant and juvenile, and battling her by means of political and procedural maneuvering or through the media , through public marches and online articles, all of that will be moral, worthy of man of principal. > > Her nominees can be blocked, her proposed laws voted down. > > The alternative does not offer a moral person the same opportunity. If one helps to elect an immoral man to the highest office, then one is merely validating his immorality, lewdness, and depravity. > > ``` That was Glenn Beck. ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1594 "2016-10-11T14:32:10Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > they will refuse to admit that he lost. In other words, I think they will contest the results because they can. They will deliberately object to the results of battleground states – and maybe even states that aren’t even close – and they will file lawsuits and try to have another Rutherford B Hayes outcome. These people don’t believe in democracy. They are undemocratic. We have yet to see them at their worst. But I fear we will. I fear you will be proved a prophet. No matter how overwhelming Clinton’s victory on election night, Trump will refuse to concede. Clinton will claim victory anyway. There will be pandemonium in at least a dozen states, as the lunatic fringe goes apeshit while the sane majority looks on helplessly. Maybe Trump will actually file lawsuits challenging the results. It will make the 2000 Florida recount look like a student council meeting. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1595 "2016-10-11T14:45:36Z")
> [@Nonsuch](#): > > I fear you will be proved a prophet. No matter how overwhelming Clinton’s victory on election night, Trump will refuse to concede. Clinton will claim victory anyway. There will be pandemonium in at least a dozen states, as the lunatic fringe goes apeshit while the sane majority looks on helplessly. Maybe Trump will actually file lawsuits challenging the results. It will make the 2000 Florida recount look like a student council meeting. An apeshit fringe can cause trouble–but they won’t be organized. Because that’s not something Trump’s folks\* do\*… Who’s on Trump’s legal team? What political powers will back him? (Bush Jr had his brother as Governor of the state in question–and all the rest of the Bushes, as well.) Won’t most Republicans already be thinking “Let’s forget about Trump. Next time, we’ll nominate a _real_ Republican!” They’ll also be dealing with any possible downballot losses–and planning for\* those\* future elections. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1596 "2016-10-11T14:49:48Z")
Why I can’t stand Sarah Huckabee Sanders Network Pundit: Careful, don’t step in that, it’s horseshit. SHS: No, it’s a beautiful natural process even though the horse was a crooked Democrat. Network Pundit: It smells like shit. SHS: No, that’s barnyard fresh, that’s why so many hard working American’s support us. Network Pundits. It’s covered by flies. SHS: Polls show flies are attracted to winners. You don’t see files on those horrible emails. Network Pundit: People are avoiding it, they walk out of their way to avoid it. SHS: The real issue here is the Wall Street speeches. Hillary loves the establishment. Network Pundit: Are you suggesting that we should walk in it? SHS: I’m saying we’re tired of being lied to about Bill Clinton being a womanizer. Network Pundit: You didn’t answer my question, should we walk in it? SHS: Yes I did, when Clinton releases the emails we’ll see all we need to see. (stupid smile) Network Pundit: Thank you for being with us today. SHS: You’re welcome. (stupid smile) ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1597 "2016-10-11T14:55:32Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > TRUMP UNSHACKLED: > > [https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/785842546878578688](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/785842546878578688) I’m hoping this means that the he will encourage his supporters to vote only for Trump at the top of the ballot and leave the rest of their ballot blank. Maybe enough people will do that to give the House to the Democrats :D. ---
**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1598 "2016-10-11T15:12:57Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Blowing up on Twitter with the above meme: > > " Republican party vows to protect my daughter in NC bathrooms; refuses to protect her from their Pres candidate!" > > 10k impressions past hour alone. A few of my friends have posted similar messages on FB. I cackle with glee whenever I see them because that’s going to help boot McCrory out of Raleigh. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1599 "2016-10-11T15:16:09Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > I’m hoping this means that the he will encourage his supporters to vote only for Trump at the top of the ballot and leave the rest of their ballot blank. Maybe enough people will do that to give the House to the Democrats :D. Dude. Have you not been following Trump on Twitter this morning? “It is so nice that the shackles have been taken off me and I can now fight for America the way I want to.” “With the exception of cheating Bernie out of the nom the Dems have always proven to be far more loyal to each other than the Republicans!” “Disloyal R’s are far more difficult than Crooked Hillary. They come at you from all sides. They don’t know how to win - I will teach them!” Cite: [x.com](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1600 "2016-10-11T15:18:03Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Trump in the debate: “We have to be sure that Muslims come in and report when they see something going on. When they see hatred going on, they have to report it” > > Moustafa Bayoumi on Twitter: "I’m a Muslim, and I would like to report a crazy man threatening a woman on a stage in Missouri. " Love it. > [@JohnT](#): > > TRUMP UNSHACKLED: > > [https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/785842546878578688](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/785842546878578688) An unshackled Trump will lose the election even faster and more lopsidedly than a shackled one. Suits me! ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1601 "2016-10-11T15:19:36Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Dude. > > Have you not been following Trump on Twitter this morning? > > “It is so nice that the shackles have been taken off me and I can now fight for America the way I want to.” > > “With the exception of cheating Bernie out of the nom the Dems have always proven to be far more loyal to each other than the Republicans!” > > “Disloyal R’s are far more difficult than Crooked Hillary. They come at you from all sides. They don’t know how to win - I will teach them!” > > Cite: [x.com](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) He sounds so much like Kim Jung-un now. Kim could take lessons from him in how to disrespect Americas and the American political process. Trump and his twitter graffiti. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2016, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1602 "2016-10-11T15:20:48Z")
> [@Nonsuch](#): > > I fear you will be proved a prophet. No matter how overwhelming Clinton’s victory on election night, Trump will refuse to concede. Trump refusing to concede is an irrelevance. “Conceding” is a gentlemanly thing to do, but it’s not, technically a thing in the electoral process. If Clinton wins, as is the overwhelming likelihood, the electors go through the motions and then she’s inaugurated. He can say he didn’t lose all he wants. I can also say I’m the Pope. Both positions are equally pointless. The election of the President is beyond the powers of Clinton or Trump to affect beyond their campaign efforts. > [@](#): > > There will be pandemonium in at least a dozen states, as the lunatic fringe goes apeshit while the sane majority looks on helplessly. Maybe Trump will actually file lawsuits challenging the results. It will make the 2000 Florida recount look like a student council meeting. Well, those are two separate scenarios and neihter is likely. SCENARIO 1. (Pandemonium) Most voters are very low energy. We are, after all, talking about an election in which the number of people who don’t vote is greater than the number of votes any candidate actually gets. Of those who do vote, only a small percentage are motivated to do anything other than go vote. If they don’t like the result they’ll bitch about it but will not actually DO anything. On Wednesday they’ll get up and go to work and clean the kitchen and watch TV and all that stuff, because most people are not sufficiently involved in politics to change their routines. Don’t believe me? It is a demonstrable fact that a shocking percentage of Republicans - millions of people - believe that Barack Obama is 1. Muslim, 2. A terrorist, 3. Not American, 4. Gay, 5. Nominally married to a man masquerading as a woman, or 6. Some or all of 1 through 5. Obama was elected in 2008 and re-elected in 2012 and yet these millions of people, to a number statistically approaching 100% did - nothing. They complain on the Internet. They believe, at least in the way people believe political things, that the President is actually a foreign terrorist, and they are doing nothing about it. No chaos, no mayhem. Why would Trump losing to Clinton cause more mayhem? At least no one thinks Clinton’s not American. SCENARIO 2: (Lawsuits) Who gives a shit? Trump can file lawsuits from now until hell freezes over. Unless the results are actually close and could change the overall result, as was the case in 2000, it doesn’t matter. If the election were held today Trump would lose by a margin exceeding any three swing states combined. If he wants to file a lawsuit contesting a result, what of it? He’ll waste money on lawyers. Clinton will be inaugurated on January 20 and Donnie can spend all the time he wants in court. In any event, it’s very unlikely. As much as Trump hates being a loser, he has experience failing. He’s had businesses collapse before; what he does, the reason he’s rich, is find a way to spin out of it and come up with something else. What he WON’T do is spend money on a pointless court case. He’ll probably move into becoming an alt-right media darling. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=79) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=81)