# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/161 "2016-10-03T22:50:28Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Calling for mental health care for returning vets should be right up there with motherhood and apple pie. Every politician should be able to pull that off, even if they don’t really mean it. And this guy can’t even do \* that\* without being a prick about it. > > “Yeah, sure, we need mental health care for all those pussies who couldn’t handle it. I bet some of them were the same ones who stole the money we sent to Iraq. Some of them were probably even captured by the enemy like pussy John McCain. And some, I assume, are good people.” I’m the farthest thing from a Trump supporter. But reading the entirety of that quote, it sounds more like he was clumsily trying to butter up the vets he was addressing by implying they were “strong”, while expressing compassion for their comrades who weren’t as prepared for the horrors of war. As usual, the asshole puts his foot in his mouth. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/162 "2016-10-03T23:07:56Z")
> [@F.U.Shakespeare](#): > > I’m the farthest thing from a Trump supporter. > > But reading the entirety of that quote, it sounds more like he was clumsily **trying to butter up the vets** he was addressing by implying they were “strong”, while expressing compassion for their comrades who weren’t as prepared for the horrors of war. > > As usual, the asshole puts his foot in his mouth. And instead, he shoved the butter knife between the ribs and gave it a twist. Accidentally. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2016, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/163 "2016-10-03T23:28:42Z")
There are enough skeletons in Mr. Trump’s closet that I think we might be seeing a “shocking” bad news story about Trump every other day from now until Nov 8. There is just so, so much material to work with. Expect to hear more stories about the small businesses he shafted, and the people he threw out of work. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/164 "2016-10-04T00:06:29Z")
As We head into the home stretch, you may want to take a few minutes to reflect on the past year or so by enjoying this gallery of NY Daily News election-related front pages. > **[New York Daily News front pages on the presidential election](https://www.nydailynews.com/news/new-york-daily-news-front-pages-presidential-election-gallery-1.2512941)** > > Check out the hard-hitting, thought-provoking front pages that sum up the race to the White House ... They have strongly endorsed Clinton - to put it mildly - some of their Trump headlines were ANTI-CHRIST TRUMP IS HITLER and INSANE CLOWN POSSE. Enjoy ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/165 "2016-10-04T00:08:44Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Clinton’s new ad attacks Trump for his taxes. > > [Clinton Ad Slams Trump Over Tax Report – Mother Jones](http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/hillary-clinton-releases-ad-slamming-trump-not-paying-taxes) This is really well done. ---
**Author:** ![Skinnybones\_Lampshade](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skinnybones_lampshade/32/2872_2.png) [@Skinnybones\_Lampshade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skinnybones_Lampshade)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/166 "2016-10-04T01:54:26Z")
[http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/revealed-trump-ditched-us-workers-and-secretly-purchased-steel-and-aluminum-for-last-two-projects-from-china/](http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/revealed-trump-ditched-us-workers-and-secretly-purchased-steel-and-aluminum-for-last-two-projects-from-china/) This has been quite a week for the Donald. Here is the latest claim. I’m beginning to wonder whether any revelation will have an impact, however. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/167 "2016-10-04T02:21:13Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > Ohio just turned pale blue in 538’s [Nowcast](http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo#now). 76 to 24 overall. But look at all of those red states! I’m a real estate magnet! Surely all that acreage counts. > [@quimper](#): > > Well, makes sense. After that debate I can’t imagine there are many undecided voters left (just undeclared ones). Speaking of GOTV activities, has the Trump campaign even started the ground work? He has no ground game. He is toast. > [@kambuckta](#): > > FTSOTROTW (For the sake of the rest of the world) please ensure Trump doesn’t get within spitting distance of the White House. We in TROTW fear the global consequences of such an event…we’ve already got one Kim Jong-un in the world, we really don’t need an American version. > > Pretty please? My longtime friend, I regret that as a possible sundowner, but where you at? > [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Papoon for President! > > You know he’s NOT INSANE! Shoes for industry! Shoes for the dead! This I remember. :o > [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > [LeBron James: Why I’m endorsing Hillary Clinton](http://www.businessinsider.com/lebron-james-why-endorsing-hillary-clinton-for-president-2016-9) > > His conclusion… I moved from Cleveland some 50 years ago, and he said some assholish things when he was a punk kid, but LeBron has turned out fine. Until they trade him. Then he’s back to being an asshole. > [@davidm](#): > > You know… when your’e very little, you see the country’s leaders as almost mythical persons who are competent and knowledgeable beyond comprehension and always working with your best interests in mind. > > Then, as you get a little older, you see them as competent people who’s interests and desires may not always match those of you and your family. They’re not super geniuses or anything like that, but they’re also not your crazy aunt, your alcoholic uncle, or the weird guy down the street who believes in UFOs. > > Finally, maturity leads to the realization that, in fact, quite a few of them _are_ your crazy aunt, your alcoholic uncle, and the weird guy down the street who believe in UFOs. Actually there may a greater of percentage of crazy aunts etc. in politics than in the general population. I remember all of those stages. Ain’t it embarrassing? But I’d still do Bill Miller’s daughter. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/168 "2016-10-04T02:38:30Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > There are enough skeletons in Mr. Trump’s closet that I think we might be seeing a “shocking” bad news story about Trump every other day from now until Nov 8. > > There is just so, so much material to work with. > > Expect to hear more stories about the small businesses he shafted, and the people he threw out of work. Yeah. Normally, I’d be worried about the Democrats shooting their bolt too early and leaving the electorate with nothing but a few faded memories by the time the election rolls around. This time, while I still think tactical timing is key for specific scandals relevant to specific groups… let it flow. Keep the dumpster fire burning all month long. We’re not going to run out of fuel. > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > As We head into the home stretch, you may want to take a few minutes to reflect on the past year or so by enjoying this gallery of NY Daily News election-related front pages. > > [New York Daily News front pages on the presidential election – New York Daily News](http://www.nydailynews.com/news/new-york-daily-news-front-pages-presidential-election-gallery-1.2512941) > > They have strongly endorsed Clinton - to put it mildly - some of their Trump headlines were > > ANTI-CHRIST > > TRUMP IS HITLER > > and > > INSANE CLOWN POSSE. > > Enjoy This made me laugh louder and longer than just about anything else. I especially like Number 3, FACE OF THE NATION (picture of Clinton at the debate, looking like a parent who just saw their child edging towards the cookie jar), subtitle “Hillary’s look says it all as Trump buries himself in bumbling blather”. Some editor or other functionary had a good day that day. On the other hand, this is the only time I’ll think that the Insane Clown Posse and their fans are being unfairly maligned by being associated with someone. The ICP may not understand magnets, music, or basic good taste, they’re nowhere near as bad for the country as Trump would be. I simply cannot imagine a Juggalo insulting a man for having been a POW, for example, and I purely love/hate the election cycle which makes that a sensical statement I would say in all sincerity. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/169 "2016-10-04T02:44:34Z")
> [@Skinnybones\_Lampshade](#): > > [http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/revealed-trump-ditched-us-workers-and-secretly-purchased-steel-and-aluminum-for-last-two-projects-from-china/](http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/revealed-trump-ditched-us-workers-and-secretly-purchased-steel-and-aluminum-for-last-two-projects-from-china/) > > This has been quite a week for the Donald. Here is the latest claim. I’m beginning to wonder whether any revelation will have an impact, however. This will bury him – or more accurately throw more dirt on his grave. Attack his strengths, which are his street cred as a businessman and his fake populist appeal. In every election, every candidate gets framed. It’s just a matter of having political opposition finish the painting. Mitt Romney was framed as the rich out of touch vulture capitalist, and the 47 percent comments put the finishing touches on that masterpiece. With Trump, the frame is that he’s a big fat fucking fraud. Team Hillary has a lot of paint to work with now. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/170 "2016-10-04T02:49:36Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > … > Keep the dumpster fire burning all month long. We’re not going to run out of fuel. > … That’s a beautiful turn of phrase. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/171 "2016-10-04T03:03:46Z")
> [@Skinnybones\_Lampshade](#): > > [http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/revealed-trump-ditched-us-workers-and-secretly-purchased-steel-and-aluminum-for-last-two-projects-from-china/](http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/revealed-trump-ditched-us-workers-and-secretly-purchased-steel-and-aluminum-for-last-two-projects-from-china/) > > This has been quite a week for the Donald. Here is the latest claim. I’m beginning to wonder whether any revelation will have an impact, however. From that article: > [@](#): > > Throughout his campaign, Trump has maintained that some controversial decisions for his companies amounted to nothing more than taking actions that were good for business, and were therefore reflections of his financial acumen. But, with the exception of one business that collapsed into multiple bankruptcies, Trump does not operate a public company; he has no fiduciary obligation to shareholders to obtain the highest returns he can. His decisions to turn away from American producers were not driven by legal obligations to investors, but simply resulted in higher profits for himself and his family. The Trump campaign has also used the fiduciary obligation excuse for his possibly not paying any taxes. So it would seem that this article blows holes in that excuse, in addition to the steel revelations. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/172 "2016-10-04T03:17:30Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Team Hillary has a lot of paint to work with now. Pounds of pastels, oceans of oils, and all of it true. Trump’s been getting away with shit for decades. Luckily, there are few things more viscerally appealing and more fundamentally satisfying than seeing a good comeuppance. > [@LSLGuy](#): > > That’s a beautiful turn of phrase. Thank you. Glad you liked it. My only regret is that most of what he’s guilty of will never get the attention it deserves, either from being lost in the noise or being passed over in favor of releases which are more tactically useful. ---
**Author:** ![skdo23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@skdo23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/skdo23)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/173 "2016-10-04T04:05:41Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > This will bury him – or more accurately throw more dirt on his grave. Attack his strengths, which are his street cred as a businessman and his fake populist appeal. In every election, every candidate gets framed. It’s just a matter of having political opposition finish the painting. Mitt Romney was framed as the rich out of touch vulture capitalist, and the 47 percent comments put the finishing touches on that masterpiece. With Trump, the frame is that he’s a big fat fucking fraud. Team Hillary has a lot of paint to work with now. To quote the [greatest political strategist in American history,](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Carville) “when your opponent is drowning, throw the son of a bitch an anvil”. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/174 "2016-10-04T04:28:18Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > …But I’d still do Bill Miller’s daughter. (Aside) You mean the Minerva of Snark, Stephanie? Came out as lesbian some time back, no big shakes, but anyway she’s reading comments on air and one is this guy about how his heart is broken at the news and she says: “Don’t worry about it, honey, you’ve got just as much of a shot _now_ as you ever did!” ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/175 "2016-10-04T05:09:45Z")
Apparently, the “security concerns” Assuage has are his belief, based on an unsourced claim from a conspiracy theory website, [that Hillary wants to assassinate him with a drone strike.](http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/10/03/conservatives-run-sketchy-conspiracy-website-s-utterly-baseless-claim-clinton-wanted-drone-assange/213499) So Trump’s gonna be shouting that one in a day or two. ---
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/176 "2016-10-04T05:34:53Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Mr. Diarrhea Mouth, in his babbling bullshit in front of a veterans group, [suggested that people with PTSD aren’t “strong.”](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-veterans-ptsd-not-strong-229050?cmpid=sf) > > If he would just take a breath and \*think \*before he starts his babbling once in a while. Objection! Assuming facts not in evidence. There has been nothing shown in the last year indicating that Trump is capable of thought. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/177 "2016-10-04T05:59:34Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Apparently, the “security concerns” Assuage has are his belief, based on an unsourced claim from a conspiracy theory website, [that Hillary wants to assassinate him with a drone strike.](http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/10/03/conservatives-run-sketchy-conspiracy-website-s-utterly-baseless-claim-clinton-wanted-drone-assange/213499) Seems legit. I can totally see the former Secretary of State greenlighting a drone strike on the sovereign embassy of another country right in the middle of the capitol of one of our strongest allies. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/178 "2016-10-04T07:13:20Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > Seems legit. I can totally see the former Secretary of State greenlighting a drone strike on the sovereign embassy of another country right in the middle of the capitol of one of our strongest allies. It makes sense when you consider that the target is a citizen of yet another major ally, and that he hasn’t been accused of any crimes under US law. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/179 "2016-10-04T07:42:28Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > Seems legit. I can totally see the former Secretary of State greenlighting a drone strike on the sovereign embassy of another country right in the middle of the capitol of one of our strongest allies. Well for one thing, if the CIA was going to take out Assange they’d do it with a shooter with a long gun on a nearby rooftop, or by poisoning his food, or sneaking someone into the embassy as a staffer or a million other ways, not with a frigging Hellfire missile in the middle of a massive city. Honestly they’re not even trying to make the conspiracies remotely plausible are they? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2016, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/180 "2016-10-04T07:47:34Z")
> [@Skinnybones\_Lampshade](#): > > [http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/revealed-trump-ditched-us-workers-and-secretly-purchased-steel-and-aluminum-for-last-two-projects-from-china/](http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/revealed-trump-ditched-us-workers-and-secretly-purchased-steel-and-aluminum-for-last-two-projects-from-china/) > > This has been quite a week for the Donald. Here is the latest claim. I’m beginning to wonder whether any revelation will have an impact, however. If you’re looking for an impact that pretty much puts his candidacy away, then it looks like he’s impervious to that. But a month out, all that is really needed is to keep his numbers near their floor of about 38%. If he gets 38%, he loses. When he starts to edge up to 43%, he gets to where he can win. A steady drumbeat of scandals seems to do about 3-5 points of damage to each candidate, and then they rebound when the other candidate becomes the focus of media attention. So basically, just hope no Clinton stories are the center of media attention in the last week. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=10)