# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 91
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1803 "2016-10-12T19:53:17Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Hmm. Should I use my power of invisibility for good or evil? I say you use them for awesome. Go up behind Trump and make the thing on his head dance the cha-cha during a press conference. [Republicans To Trump: Quit Claiming The Election’s Rigged](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/republicans-rigged-election-claim-donald-trump-229630): > [@](#): > > It’s not just the Democrats who are frustrated by Donald Trump’s “rigged election” talk. > > Republicans have started warning their increasingly ostracized nominee to stop stoking his supporters with claims that the 2016 election will be stolen, daring him to show proof or put a lid on it. > > [snip] > > Trump and his running mate, Mike Pence, have been flogging for months the notion that Hillary Clinton supporters could tamper with voting to the point that they win the White House. Yes. They’ve been at this for months, and only now are Republicans telling them to knock it off. Standing up to the bully _now_ isn’t going to help. The Democrats already have hours of you endorsing Trump and mouthing his idiotic platitudes. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1804 "2016-10-12T20:05:21Z")
[Politico has a glittering gem of a think piece which has Trump biographers saying “that’s our Trump”](http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/donald-trump-2016-biographers-214350): > [@](#): > > In a conference call on Monday with Barrett, Blair, D’Antonio and O’Brien, the biographers were unanimous in their assessment of what we are seeing: They are not surprised. Trump is who they thought he was. This, they said, is not a show. It is not an act. This is the man they wrote about. In 1992. In 1993. In 1999. In 2005. In 2015. This is a man who has been one of the most famous people in America for going on 40 years. Only now, though, are many people, finally, really, getting to know Donald John Trump. > > He is, the biographers said, “profoundly narcissistic,” “willing to go to lengths we’ve never seen before in order to satisfy his ego”—and “a very dangerous man for the next three or four weeks.” And after that? “This time, it’s going to be a straight‑out loss on the biggest stage he’s ever been on,” one biographer predicted. And yet: “As long as he’s remembered, maybe it won’t matter to him.” > > [snip] > > Michael Kruse: So this past Friday when you all heard the hot mic tape from the gossip show bus, were you surprised? > > Gwenda Blair: No. > > Michael D’Antonio: Raise your voice if you were surprised. > > Blair: Yeah. I don’t think any of us were surprised. > > Kruse: Why not? > > Wayne Barrett: Well, I would have to say that “grabbing by the pussy” was a little surprising to me. You know, thrusting his tongue down whatever mouth was available wasn’t much of a surprise, but “grabbing by the pussy” was not something I had anticipated. > > Timothy O’Brien: I think he’s always been a skirt chaser. I guess, you know, in that context, it didn’t surprise me. I think he’s always boasted about the things that he’s the most insecure about, which is his wealth, his intellect and his sex appeal. And, you know, he’s held James Bond and Hugh Hefner out as role models. And I don’t think that’s evolved for him much since the age of 12. The whole thing is amazing. [Meanwhile, Krugthulu says what we’re all thinking](https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/786179564691034112): > [@Paul Krugman](#): > > I think I’m seeing a shift in media narrative, from hyping the supposedly close election to Trump disaster porn. This could be a big deal. Trump Disaster Porn should be Pussy Riot’s next single. Probably their next album. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1805 "2016-10-12T20:06:24Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > I’m not saying they aren’t sincere each and every Sunday, just that Jesus doesn’t have a 100% success rate. Cracked me up. I guess what I’m saying is, if Trump accepted Christ back in June, either way, saying now that he’s accepted Christ doesn’t help them. If that June conversion was supposed to do the job, it clearly didn’t. And if he had to have a re-do just the other day, there’s no reason to believe it’ll work any better this time than it did previously. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1806 "2016-10-12T20:07:32Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > No idea but she’s far sharper than the rest of the spokesdeplorables. > She had a plan when she said that. Probably she’s trying to “normalize” the word. “See? It’s no big deal to talk about grabbing a pussy” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1807 "2016-10-12T20:10:10Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > I say you use them for awesome. Go up behind Trump and make the thing on his head dance the cha-cha during a press conference. > > [Republicans To Trump: Quit Claiming The Election’s Rigged](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/republicans-rigged-election-claim-donald-trump-229630):Yes. They’ve been at this for months, and only now are Republicans telling them to knock it off. Standing up to the bully _now_ isn’t going to help. The Democrats already have hours of you endorsing Trump and mouthing his idiotic platitudes. Trump has now progressed to saying that every single poll by dozens of independent professional polling organizations are “rigged”. Because it will be hard to say that the election was “stolen” from him if it’s freakin’ obvious on November 7 that the election will be a blowout for Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1808 "2016-10-12T20:12:19Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > No idea but she’s far sharper than the rest of the spokesdeplorables. > She had a plan when she said that. Having a plan, when it’s a fucking stupid plan, does not make one sharp. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1809 "2016-10-12T20:12:45Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump people are totally tone deaf. [Kellyanne Conway is telling Republicans to stop _ **pussy** _footing around.](http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-gop-stop-pussyfooting-conway-229656) I heard that this morning on gma. it woke me out of my morning stupor. (shuffle, shuffle, cat food, shuffle, huh!!?? what??!!??) I couldn’t believe her word choice. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1810 "2016-10-12T20:14:03Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Cracked me up. > > I guess what I’m saying is, if Trump accepted Christ back in June, either way, saying now that he’s accepted Christ doesn’t help them. If that June conversion was supposed to do the job, it clearly didn’t. And if he had to have a re-do just the other day, there’s no reason to believe it’ll work any better this time than it did previously. Stating the obvious, it is all for show to solidify his hold on the evangelical vote. It’s not real, and doesn’t have to be. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1811 "2016-10-12T20:14:07Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Oh stewardess? I speak Trump. > > I can’t totally read Eric Trumps thinking on this. What the map represents (men voting, women voting, goats voting) doesn’t matter a whit. What matters is … _dude, look how cool that looks sweeping to all red from right to left like that. It’s like the perfect metaphor for momentum! I’m a fucking genius! This is, like, so rad. Fucking post that shit. Post it!_ > > Another “statement wasn’t intended to be factual” moment. This. The whole Trump machine, creaky though it is, is an even bigger devotee than is Faux News of Goebbels’ principle of the Big Lie. If you say it often enough, and drown out any contrary info, whatever it is \*becomes \*true. Or at least becomes close enough to true that people act as if it were true. And the latter is all that matters. “Perception is reality.” It’s a common phrase in politics and business for a reason. ---
**Author:** ![Tzigone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1812 "2016-10-12T20:19:43Z")
> [@](#): > > I think I’m seeing a shift in media narrative, from hyping the supposedly close election to Trump disaster porn. I’ll admit I’m enjoying that. And if Dems get the house and senate, it’s so tempting to just say “we have a mandate.” But there are still filibusters and blocking and it really, really is in the country’s best interest to have a government where the parties are actually capable of working together, and I know that. Clinton has done well with that in the past, I thought. But both sides have to work at it (didn’t happen when Obama got elected), and both sides (but more Republicans, I think) have to worry about being primaried. Provided the GOP stays whole the next couple of years. They are getting more united now, with politicians coming back to Trump, unfortunately, I think they are uniting on the wrong side. And I can’t agree with “meet in the middle” and that tactic seems not to have satisfied GOP in the past, either. Are we more polarized, politically, than we used to be? Whether we are or just think we are is that just another symptom of 24-hours news media? I mean, I heard Clinton-killed-Foster 15+ years ago. And my dad hated Bush I and Regan (he’s a union fan) back when they were in office. Either way, though, what can be done about it? Does anything need to be? It is okay if a third of the other party believes the President lied about his birth certificate or knew about a major terrorist attack in advance? I can’t think that it is (unless/until actual evidence is provided). ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1813 "2016-10-12T20:19:56Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > [Politico has a glittering gem of a think piece which has Trump biographers saying “that’s our Trump”](http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/donald-trump-2016-biographers-214350):The whole thing is amazing. > > [Meanwhile, Krugthulu says what we’re all thinking](https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/786179564691034112):Trump Disaster Porn should be Pussy Riot’s next single. Probably their next album. I’ll bet that will get snatched up in an instant. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Probably she’s trying to “normalize” the word. > > “See? It’s no big deal to talk about grabbing a pussy” She was freaking out pretty badly on CNN when this first broke when Anna Navarro kept saying “pussy” during the argument. Only time I’ve ever seen her lose her cool. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1814 "2016-10-12T20:23:24Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I’m waiting to see if some of those who have abandoned Trump fold. The republicans are absolutely spineless, so it’s entirely possible that some have a ‘change of heart’. The smart republicans (tactically smart) took a ‘wait-and-see’ approach before committing either way. I think Ryan tried to do that but being Speaker, he looks at the big picture and sees Trump as a toxic candidate. He probably hoped that the RNC would pull funding and that Trump (or more likely hoped Pence) would drop out. That didn’t happen. So it remains to be seen if Ryan starts sounding more conciliatory in the days ahead or if he really does intend not to stump for the Donald. Well, prediction number one has already come to pass: republicans are now re-endorsing Trump after dropping their support. Spineless, gutless, soulless – but predictable. Trump-Bart is taking over the GOP (for now). Paul Ryan hasn’t said much since Monday but I suspect he’ll have a change of heart soon. > **[Republicans Endorse, Unendorse And Then Re-Endorse Donald Trump](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/deb-fischer-donald-trump_n_57fe4819e4b0d505a46b3c76)** > > Mmm, political expediency tastes good. And I think prediction number two (below) will come to pass as well. > [@asahi](#): > > I think the GOP civil war has just begun. As I’ve mused before, I think Trump, his wide network of surrogates, and his millions of supporters will actually try to contest the election results, not because they truly believe that their candidate won, but because they will refuse to admit that he lost. In other words, I think they will contest the results because they can. They will deliberately object to the results of battleground states – and maybe even states that aren’t even close – and they will file lawsuits and try to have another Rutherford B Hayes outcome. These people don’t believe in democracy. They are undemocratic. We have yet to see them at their worst. But I fear we will. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1815 "2016-10-12T20:23:26Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > “There is great confusion under Heaven, and the situation is excellent!” > > - Abraham Lincoln Mao Tse-tung? ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1816 "2016-10-12T20:30:49Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Iowa went to Obama in 2012 and 2008. In both elections, Iowa went to Obama by a wider margin than the national popular vote. In 2004, when Bush carried it, he did so by less of a margin than the national popular vote. In 2000 Gore carried Iowa by about the same margin of popular vote as he did the country. In 1992 and 1996 Iowa was easily carried by Clinton. In 1988 Iowa went for Dukakis, one of only ten states that did. > > So actually, what’s the surprise? If anything it would be quite an upset if Trump carried Iowa. Okay, okay, shoot me. I mixed Iowa up with Idaho. I’m an elitist NY Liberal, you know those states in the middle there all look the same to me. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1817 "2016-10-12T20:36:13Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Mao Tse-tung? Bugs Bunny. ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1818 "2016-10-12T20:36:52Z")
It’s worth mentioning that at a rally in Florida today, Trump accused Paul Ryan of being involved in a [sinister deal](http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/300649-trump-hints-ryan-a-part-of-sinister-deal) to not support him. I guess the sinister deal is supposed to be with Clinton? It’s really unclear what exactly he’s accusing Ryan of, but let’s have some more of it. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1819 "2016-10-12T20:41:28Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I’ll bet that will get snatched up in an instant. > … I cun’t believe you said that! (What?? It was a typo!) (What I mean is- I _had_ to do it- I _HAD_ to! :() ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1820 "2016-10-12T20:44:26Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > [Politico has a glittering gem of a think piece which has Trump biographers saying “that’s our Trump”](http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/donald-trump-2016-biographers-214350):The whole thing is amazing. One of the first and most alarming voices against Trump was the ghostwriter of Art of the Deal, Tony Schwartz; not apparently included in this Politico piece. He told New Yorker that he thought Trump would literally bring about the end of civilization. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1821 "2016-10-12T20:46:04Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I’ll bet that will get snatched up in an instant. > She was freaking out pretty badly on CNN when this first broke when Anna Navarro kept saying “pussy” during the argument. > Only time I’ve ever seen her lose her cool. I saw Scottie what’s her name freaking out at someone about it. “Could you stop saying that word? MY DAUGHTER is watching tonight!” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2016, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1822 "2016-10-12T20:52:09Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > I saw Scottie what’s her name freaking out at someone about it. “Could you stop saying that word? MY DAUGHTER is watching tonight!” You’re right, it was Nell Hughes not Conway. All those long-haired blondes start looking alike. Especially when you see Trump’s face over theirs’. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=90) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277.md?page=92)