# Clinton v Trump - The Stretch Run Thread

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**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [September 30, 2016, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277 "2016-09-30T11:21:19Z")\
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**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1924 "2016-10-13T04:39:36Z")

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Liz Mair, communications person for various Republican figures over time, has been teasing knowledge about two major Trump pieces in the works. She tweeted tonight that tonight’s events are separate from them and they still have yet to drop.

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**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1925 "2016-10-13T04:40:18Z")

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> [@Jophiel](#):
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> Trump’s lawyer(s) sent a notice [demanding a retraction](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cunu4NJXgAAGFiz.jpg).

It’s hard to believe they seriously think they can intimidate the _NY Times_ into a retraction before the election. And of course that would do absolutely no good at this point. Are they going to sue every newspaper and TV station in the country?

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**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1926 "2016-10-13T04:42:35Z")

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> [@Colibri](#):
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> It’s hard to believe they seriously think they can intimidate the _NY Times_ into a retraction before the election. And of course that would do absolutely no good at this point. Are they going to sue every newspaper and TV station in the country?

Along with everyone with a FB or Twitter account?

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**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1927 "2016-10-13T04:43:16Z")

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If I was Trumps lawyer, I would demand cash up front.

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**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1928 "2016-10-13T04:48:38Z")

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> [@Colibri](#):
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> It’s hard to believe they seriously think they can intimidate the _NY Times_ into a retraction before the election. And of course that would do absolutely no good at this point. Are they going to sue every newspaper and TV station in the country?

[Don’t forget this.](http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/02/donald-trump-libel-laws-219866)

> [@](#):
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> Donald Trump said on Friday he plans to change libel laws in the United States so that he can have an easier time suing news organizations.
> 
> During a rally in Fort Worth, Texas, Trump began his usual tirade against newspapers such as The New York Times and The Washington Post, saying they’re “losing money” and are “dishonest.” The Republican presidential candidate then took a different turn, **suggesting that when he’s president they’ll “have problems.”**

Of course, this requires him to win. Maybe he didn’t think it through.

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**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1929 "2016-10-13T04:50:24Z")

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> [@Jophiel](#):
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> Trump’s lawyer(s) sent a notice [demanding a retraction](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cunu4NJXgAAGFiz.jpg).

Yep. Good luck with that.

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**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1930 "2016-10-13T04:53:04Z")

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> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#):
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> Miss Teen USA contestant: “Your father walked in on all of us when we were NAKED!”  
> Ivanka: “Yeah, he does that.”
> 
> Voice of experience.

I assumed you were kinda making this up, or at least exaggerating. :eek: Nope.

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**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1931 "2016-10-13T04:57:56Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> But where were all these women during the primaries?

:dubious: If I had to guess, I’d guess that they weren’t particularly enthusiastic about the prospect of being overwhelmed with hate mail and death threats from rabidly misogynistic Trump supporters when it didn’t seem that anybody was regarding Trump’s already well-established gropery as an issue worth any serious attention.

Recall that complaints about Trump committing sexual assault have been common knowledge in the race for a long time: e.g., his special counsel last year who deflected allusions to Ivana Trump’s account of his violent sexual assault during their marriage with the (untrue) assertion that “you can’t rape your spouse”. Remember that guy, the one who [made such menacing threats back in July 2015 about the consequences of suggesting that Trump might be a rapist](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/27/ex-wife-donald-trump-made-feel-violated-during-sex.html)?

> [@](#):
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> Michael Cohen, special counsel at The Trump Organization, defended his boss, saying, “You’re talking about the frontrunner for the GOP, presidential candidate, as well as a private individual who never raped anybody. And, of course, understand that by the very definition, you can’t rape your spouse.”
> 
> “It is true,” Cohen added. “You cannot rape your spouse. And there’s very clear case law.” […]
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> “It’s not the word that you’re trying to make it into,” Cohen told The Daily Beast […]
> 
> Trump’s lawyer then changed tactics, lobbing insults and threatening a lawsuit if a story was published.
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> “I will make sure that you and I meet one day while we’re in the courthouse. And I will take you for every penny you still don’t have. And I will come after your Daily Beast and everybody else that you possibly know,” Cohen said. “So I’m warning you, tread very fucking lightly, because what I’m going to do to you is going to be fucking disgusting. You understand me?”
> 
> “You write a story that has Mr. Trump’s name in it, with the word ‘rape,’ and I’m going to mess your life up… for as long as you’re on this frickin’ planet… you’re going to have judgments against you, so much money, you’ll never know how to get out from underneath it,” he added. […]
> 
> “Though there’s many literal senses to the word, if you distort it, and you put Mr. Trump’s name there onto it, rest assured, you will suffer the consequences. So you do whatever you want. You want to ruin your life at the age of 20? You do that, and I’ll be happy to serve it right up to you,” he added. […]
> 
> Whether Trump’s comments about rape—or the accusation of assault from his ex-wife—will hurt his burgeoning political career is an open question. So far, Trump has been able to shake off the sorts of scandals that would destroy any other campaign for president. Dissing Mexican immigrants and prisoners of war has not cost him his campaign, nor has his history of giving to Democratic campaigns. In the latest CNN poll, Trump leads all other candidates in the Republican presidential field, with 18 percent support.

Yeah, can’t imagine why women who had been sexually assaulted by Trump weren’t speaking up before. :rolleyes:

[Comment by Fox News analyst Howard Kurtz in July 2015](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/29/getting-ugly-why-trump-spousal-rape-story-was-unfit-to-print.html):

> [@](#):
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> Getting ugly: Why the Trump spousal ‘rape’ story was unfit to print […]
> 
> The Daily Beast ran this tabloid-style headline: “Ex-Wife: Trump Made Me Feel ‘Violated’ During Sex.”
> 
> There’s no way, in my view, that this story should have been published. […]
> 
> I’m sorry, but the piece in the Beast, where I once worked, reads like a hit job calculated to harm Trump. It encapsulates everything that people hate about the media. And I knew even before The Donald went on Greta Van Susteren’s show that he would use it to attack the media, and that his words would resonate. […]
> 
> I don’t want to sound dismissive about marital rape. I just think we ought to take an allegation in a nasty divorce, now all but retracted, with enormous skepticism.
> 
> Look, Trump thrives on being attacked. He’s a great counterpuncher. He particularly relishes doing battle with the media. And this latest story hands him a big fat gift to do just that.

Even so, note that a number of women **did** in fact come forward to discuss Trump’s behavior. As recently as this May, the [New York Times published a story about Trump’s creepy treatment of women](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html?mtrref=gephardtdaily.com&_r=0), which also didn’t seem to repel his supporters so’s you’d notice:

> [@](#):
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> Crossing the Line: How Donald Trump Behaved With Women in Private
> 
> Interviews reveal unwelcome advances, a shrewd reliance on ambition, and unsettling workplace conduct over decades. […]
> 
> This is the private treatment of some women by Mr. Trump, the up-close and more intimate encounters.
> 
> The New York Times interviewed dozens of women who had worked with or for Mr. Trump over the past four decades, in the worlds of real estate, modeling and pageants; women who had dated him or interacted with him socially; and women and men who had closely observed his conduct since his adolescence. […]
> 
> Their accounts — many relayed here in their own words — reveal unwelcome romantic advances, unending commentary on the female form, a shrewd reliance on ambitious women, and unsettling workplace conduct, according to the interviews, as well as court records and written recollections. […]
> 
> Temple Taggart, the 21-year-old Miss Utah, was startled by how forward he was with young contestants like her in 1997 […]
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> > [@](#):
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> > He kissed me directly on the lips. I thought, “Oh my God, gross.” He was married to Marla Maples at the time. I think there were a few other girls that he kissed on the mouth. I was like “Wow, that’s inappropriate.”
> 
> […] Mr. Trump was not just fixated on the appearance of the women around him. He possessed an almost compulsive need to talk about it.
> 
> Inside the Trump Organization, the company that manages his various businesses, he occasionally interrupted routine discussions of business to opine on women’s figures. Ms. Res, his construction executive, remembered a meeting in which she and Mr. Trump interviewed an architect for a project in the Los Angeles area. Out of the blue, she said, Mr. Trump evaluated the fitness of women in Marina del Rey, Calif. “They take care of their asses,” he said. […]
> 
> During the 1997 Miss Teen USA pageant, he sat in the audience as his teenage daughter, Ivanka, helped to host the event from onstage. He turned to Brook Antoinette Mahealani Lee, Miss Universe at the time, and asked for her opinion of his daughter’s body.
> 
> “ ‘Don’t you think my daughter’s hot? She’s hot, right?’ ” Ms. Lee recalled him saying. ‘I was like, ‘Really?’ That’s just weird. She was 16. That’s creepy.” […]
> 
> In the early 1990s, Jill Harth and her boyfriend at the time, George Houraney, worked with Mr. Trump on a beauty pageant in Atlantic City, and later accused Mr. Trump of inappropriate behavior toward Ms. Harth during their business dealings. […]
> 
> By the time the three of them were having dinner at the Oak Room of the Plaza Hotel the next night, Mr. Trump’s advances had turned physical, Ms. Harth said in the deposition.
> 
> “Basically he name-dropped throughout that dinner, when he wasn’t groping me under the table,” she testified.

**The Trumpublicans already knew long before this October that sexual aggression towards women was a potential vulnerability for their candidate, and they either blithely ignored it or tried to shut it down as viciously and dismissively as possible.** I find it hard to blame Trump’s other victims for not publicizing their accusations in the face of that kind of indifference and hostility.

(Wonder if people like Cohen or Kurtz will retract or apologize for anything they said then, now that it’s abundantly clear—and more importantly, widely recognized—that their candidate is indeed a nasty coercive piece of rapey shit.)

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**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\
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> [@Count\_Blucher](#):
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> At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if in the future “The Trump Brand” was limited to gelatin & pudding snack cups.

And extra-small condoms.

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**Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1933 "2016-10-13T05:12:27Z")

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Hillary needs to get Bill off the campaign trail. ASAP

The Bill is a rapist protesters are popping up at his speeches. It’s getting pretty awkward. Especially since his womanizing background is well known.

There’s even a black guy claiming to be his illegitimate son. The result of an affair he had as Governor.

There isn’t enough time to debunk these claims. Just get Bill out of the public eye. Now! He’s nothing but a liability to Hillary’s campaign.

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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1934 "2016-10-13T05:18:30Z")

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> [@Jophiel](#):
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> Trump’s lawyer(s) sent a notice [demanding a retraction](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cunu4NJXgAAGFiz.jpg).

The perfect reply to Trumps threats was made by Bill Maher:

[QUOTE]

…

"This is real, his lawyer sent me a letter that says, and I quote: attached here to is a copy of Mr. Trump’s birth certificate demonstrating that he is the son of Fred Trump and not an orangutan…

Yeah…

Do these morons even know it’s impossible for people an apes to produce offspring? And look at the look at the lawyers signature: it just kind of trails off as if to say “I’m too embarrassed to even finish this… f\*\*k I’m Trumps lawyer… :smack:”

So I ignored the letter like I ignore all letters I get from crazy people and I forgot about the whole thing until this week when Trump and his lawyer pictured here…

When they actually sued me for the five million, and don’t forget, this is not a libel case; no no they seem to be trying to set a bold new precedent that jokes on late-night talk shows are now legally binding agreements between the comedian and the person they’re making fun up.

Yes, I’m sure this will go all the way to the Supreme Court…

You know, I tell you something: **the legal system in this country, is not a joke. It’s not a toy for rich idiots to play with.** And frankly Mr. Baboon what you are releasing raises more questions than it answers. At least it does to a growing chorus of patriotic Americans who call ourselves apers and we’re just asking questions. Questions like well here’s what you put out its the short form certification of library is not a birth certificate. It was clearly made on a dot matrix computer printer and includes a scannable bar code, two technologies that were hardly around in 1946.

Where’s the original long-form certificate? Because a short form copy of his birth certificate unsigned by an attending physician isn’t proof of anything. You know who I learned that from? I learned that from Donald “but I’m white” Trump who would not accept the exact same document from the president. But remember who were dealing with here, a man who for a little extra publicity  
will happily keep alive a debate over whether his family reunions are held at the zoo.  
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**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1935 "2016-10-13T05:18:45Z")

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> [@](#):
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> Miss Teen USA contestant: “Your father walked in on all of us when we were NAKED!”  
> Ivanka: “Yeah, he does that.”

Wait. For reals?

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**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1936 "2016-10-13T05:38:54Z")

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> [@galen\_ubal](#):
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> I’ll go ahead and repeat my belief that Trump is verbally, physically, and/or sexually abusive towards his family.  
> No evidence, but it fits in nicely with his character.

Check out this pic of Ivanka and Donald. :eek:

[http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/279091/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-photo-gross/](http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/279091/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-photo-gross/)

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**Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1937 "2016-10-13T06:08:01Z")

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> [@running\_coach](#):
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> [Don’t forget this.](http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/02/donald-trump-libel-laws-219866)
> 
> > [@](#):
> >
> > Donald Trump said on Friday he plans to change libel laws in the United States so that he can have an easier time suing news organizations.
> > 
> > During a rally in Fort Worth, Texas, Trump began his usual tirade against newspapers such as The New York Times and The Washington Post, saying they’re “losing money” and are “dishonest.” The Republican presidential candidate then took a different turn, **suggesting that when he’s president they’ll “have problems.”**
> 
> Of course, this requires him to win. Maybe he didn’t think it through.

[Shades of 1972](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/watergate/johnmitchell.html):

> [@](#):
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> In September 1972, stories by The Washington Post linked [former Attorney General John] Mitchell to a secret campaign fund that paid for the Watergate burglary. When Post reporter Carl Bemstein called for a comment, Mitchell directed his response at the Post’s publisher:“Katie Graham’s gonna get her tit caught in a big fat wringer if that’s ever published.”

For some time Trump has been calling to mind the more unsavory characters of the Watergate era. The past week or so has done nothing whatsoever to dispel that impression.

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**Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1938 "2016-10-13T06:32:50Z")

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> [@Colibri](#):
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> It’s hard to believe they seriously think they can intimidate the _NY Times_ into a retraction before the election. And of course that would do absolutely no good at this point. Are they going to sue every newspaper and TV station in the country?

Regardless, these women are helping to keep Trump on the defensive fighting Hillary, Bill, Ryan, McCain, the Republican party, the New York times, etc., and a really, really, rigged, crooked system. Hitler made the same mistake, opening too many fronts at the same time. Didn’t work then either.

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**Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1939 "2016-10-13T06:35:40Z")

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The level of this campaign is unbelievably low. Rebels in Yemen fire missiles at a US destroyer. Another US destroyer launches cruise missiles in retaliation destroying several radar installations. The candidates are silent on this. National security is a non issue this cycle.

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**Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1940 "2016-10-13T07:08:33Z")

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> [@Morgenstern](#):
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> The level of this campaign is unbelievably low. Rebels in Yemen fire missiles at a US destroyer. Another US destroyer launches cruise missiles in retaliation destroying several radar installations. The candidates are silent on this. National security is a non issue this cycle.

Agreed. I have to tune in to BBC America to find out what is going on elsewhere in the world and often in the U.S.A. . I even miss Ajazeera America TV. Can’t wait for Election Day plus 1.

Christ.

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**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\
**Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1941 "2016-10-13T07:24:07Z")

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> [@Little\_Pig](#):
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> [Oh Brother …](http://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2016/10/12/b9ed65c2-196a-407d-99dc-fad1ec6366ed/resize/620x/f36976a410471f6c0a91ec18ca2b7448/whiteladyblacksfortrump.jpg)

It seems like just yesterday that you were called out for this and requested that you provide actual info in your post, for which you apologized.

Did you forget already?

> [@LSLGuy](#):
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> if I may … please include actual info in your post. The rest of us don’t necessarily want to click to learn what you’re saying. Besides, in 2 weeks the link might be dead. Thanks.

> [@Little\_Pig](#):
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> Sorry. I was trying to create some suspense.

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**Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1942 "2016-10-13T07:25:11Z")

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> [@Junior\_Spaceman](#):
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> The Guardian is reporting that Trump is going to sue the NY Times - standard operating procedure for anyone famous who gets accused of sexual assault by the media. This should be an interesting legal development, particularly as it’s usually done to silence any further revelations until a more convenient time (ie when he’s President), but seeing as the dam has broken, this is not going to go well for him.
> 
> [Donald Trump threatens to sue NYT amid blizzard of sexual assault allegations – as it happened | US elections 2016 | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-campaign-hillary-clinton-2016-presidential-election-live?page=with:block-57fef4c4e4b05d915e424621#block-57fef4c4e4b05d915e424621)

IANAL, but I did watch a lawyer on CNN tonight, a former prosecutor, and he put Trump’s chances for a successful lawsuit at less than 1%. He said in cases like this, Trump would have to prove the newspaper acted with malice.

> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
>
> Just when I think Trump couldn’t get any scummier, he proves me wrong. But where were all these women during the primaries? Coming forward only in the last month of a presidential campaign doesn’t exactly bolster their credibility.

At least one said she was spurred to come forward when during the second debate Trump finally flat-out denied ever having preformed this sort of behavior.

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**Post date:** [October 13, 2016, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-v-trump-the-stretch-run-thread/767277/1943 "2016-10-13T07:37:29Z")

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An interesting juxtaposition of articles on my Google News “Top Stories” page right now.

Story #1: \*Reports: Multiple women say Trump grabbed them inappropriately  
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Story #2: _Republican Senators Who Urged Donald Trump to Step Aside Support Him Again_

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