# Clinton: We made a person who committed sexual assault president **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 14, 2017, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875 "2017-10-14T23:37:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/81 "2017-10-17T03:56:36Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Name calling is just weak, it is part of a Jr.Highschool playground culture too, don’t make it right, does it? You mother should wash your mouth with soap! \*\*You can’t understand violation without lady parts. \*\*Man-rape is a different issue ( no less horrible ). We are discussing, particularly females being assaulted and/or used and abused by men if power. Stick to the topic, if your dirty mouth can come up with words to man-splain, maybe I will listen! ( by the way it is still daytime, here) I’m sorry, what? I’m a lady with lady parts, and it’s _nuts_ to say that when a man is raped, it is less violating. Rape is rape. Lady parts aren’t the criteria to be be violated. Unless you would like to argue that a woman who is anally raped doesnt really feel violated becasue her “lady parts” were left alone? Everyone is going to experience sexual assault differently. Well, everyone who experiences it, that is. You can’t declare rape of one gender to be less violating than rape of another gender. A woman who is raped may deal much better than a man, if only because men feel secure most of the time. So having that security breached may be much more violating,\* for that victim. \* ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/82 "2017-10-17T04:24:35Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Lol, Hillary makes some people uncomfortable by stating a truth. > > For all the men in this thread whining about Hillary daring to say something, do yourselves a favor: ask the women in your lives… moms, daughters, wives, friends… if they have been sexually assaulted/groped/pressured/raped. You may not like what you learn. > > Holy hell, the guys who say “her husband was one too, she shouldn’t speak” completely miss the point: **Hillary isn’t guilty for Bill’s transgressions, no matter how much you want her to be, but was a victim of them.** She has as much right to speak as, say, Weinstein’s wife. > > Glad this thread is already in the Pit so I can call this whining for the fucking immoral bullshit it is. This^ ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/83 "2017-10-17T04:26:16Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Keep on man-splaining! Maybe I am woman-splaining if I share the following two anecdotes. When I was a teenager, I awoke to an exboyfrined in my bed. He was…less than sober, shall we say, and had come into my home and tried to “get back together.” His idea of getting back together was to molest me in my sleep, and try to fuck me when I woke up. I talked my way out it. I was lucky that he wasn’t completely in his right mind, because I was able to convince him ti get the fuck out. I was terrified, but it worked out. It didn’t fuck me up nearly as much as… My best friend had a similar experience. Not an ex, but a new “friend.” They had been hanging out, drinking, and my friend passed out. He (yes HE) awoke to his new buddy sucking his dick. Apparently signals were misread, or something. He was freaked the fuck out, but managed to get the guy off him. Now, neither of us were raped, in these anecdotes, but would you agree that we were both sexually assaulted? Mine was…well, it wasn’t fun, but I wasn’t that terribly done in by the experience. Im glad I kept my head and didn’t scream, not because the dirtbag deserved that, but becasue my dad would have SHOT HIM, and then my dad might have had to stand trial, and it would have been a damn mess. I wouldn’t repeat the experience but I dealt with it and moved on. My friend, on the other hand, was a little bit mentally fucked by the experience. he questioned his sense of being, his sense of masculinity, completely blamed himself and generally took a long time to deal. Was he sending signals of some sort? Was this his fault? Was it ok to see this guy as a predator? Or was he some sort of…I dunno…a romantic who wasn’t _really_ to blame? I’m using these two anecdotes because they are similar in many ways. Women often do blame themselves, and some small part of me did as well. And I still do, in a way. But my sense of self was not shaken by the experience in this instance. So was I more violated by dint of having lady parts? ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/84 "2017-10-17T04:29:55Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > I’m sorry, what? > > I’m a lady with lady parts, and it’s _nuts_ to say that when a man is raped, it is less violating. Rape is rape. Lady parts aren’t the criteria to be be violated. Unless you would like to argue that a woman who is anally raped doesnt really feel violated becasue her “lady parts” were left alone? > > Everyone is going to experience sexual assault differently. Well, everyone who experiences it, that is. You can’t declare rape of one gender to be less violating than rape of another gender. A woman who is raped may deal much better than a man, if only because men feel secure most of the time. So having that security breached may be much more violating,\* for that victim. \* We aren’t talking about man-rape, we are supposed to be talking about Harvey What-his-face, being a serial creep and abuser, I don’t think men were in his radar (??). Some how is Hillary’s fault?don’t think so. I stated in my post man-rape is " no less horrible ". So there, I am done on this thread, no more from me! ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/85 "2017-10-17T04:36:57Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > We aren’t talking about man-rape, we are supposed to be talking about Harvey What-his-face, being a serial creep and abuser, I don’t think men were in his radar (??). Some how is Hillary’s fault?don’t think so. I stated in my post man-rape is " no less horrible ". So there, I am done on this thread, no more from me! Now I have argued in other threads that a woman is far more likely to feel threatened by sexual pressure and harassment than a man. That goes back to the point that men usually do feel more secure, physically, than women. And I think it is beyond stupid that Hilary should somehow be held responsible for either the sins of Weinstein or the sins of her husband. If it is true, then it is ridiculous to say that “yeah, its totally true but she shouldnt be the one to have said it.” If you are offended by what she said, but only because _she_ said it, then something is terribly wrong. But it is not with _her_. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/86 "2017-10-17T05:53:24Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Lol, Hillary makes some people uncomfortable by stating a truth. > > For all the men in this thread whining about Hillary daring to say something, do yourselves a favor: ask the women in your lives… moms, daughters, wives, friends… if they have been sexually assaulted/groped/pressured/raped. You may not like what you learn. > > Holy hell, the guys who say “her husband was one too, she shouldn’t speak” completely miss the point: **Hillary isn’t guilty for Bill’s transgressions, no matter how much you want her to be, but was a victim of them.** She has as much right to speak as, say, Weinstein’s wife. > > Glad this thread is already in the Pit so I can call this whining for the fucking immoral bullshit it is. I disagree. If you want to stand by your man, even after knowing all of his fucked up transgressions; you don’t get to preach about the morality of others with out looking like an idiot. Kind of like when Melania Trump said she was going to campaign against cyber bullying. Bitch, please… ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/87 "2017-10-17T11:03:19Z")
> [@Two\_Many\_Cats](#): > > The Clintons never would’ve done that mawkish pre-election interview if Bill’s adultery hadn’t been common knowledge. There were jokes all over about it, I can still remember them. > > What would happen if the three presidential candidates were with you when your car broke down? > > Perot would be under your hood, tearing your engine apart. > > Bush would be telling you that your engine was just fine. > > And Bill Clinton would be trying to get you into the back seat. > > Nobody believed for one minute that Bill was innocent. Never heard that one, can’t remember any others, and no, Bill Clinton’s adultery wasn’t common knowledge. Just because it was common knowledge where you were hanging out, doesn’t mean it was common knowledge across the U.S. population. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/88 "2017-10-17T11:40:28Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Good grief, you are fucking stupid. I am not rape blaming anyone, you asshole. I am calling a lying sack of crap troll out on her trolling. She’s full of shit. > > Now, why don’t you get off your ass and check out my previous posts regarding rape to see how I feel about the issue. What do you expect? A noob comes along and sees you dismiss someone’s revelation of sexual assault. I have no idea whether you’re right or wrong, and neither does the noob. Obviously there is a history, but do you really expect everyone to know it? On the surface, your comments seem utterly vile. Instead of demanding people “search your history” perhaps you could explain yourself a little better. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/89 "2017-10-17T11:57:39Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Never heard that one, can’t remember any others, and no, Bill Clinton’s adultery wasn’t common knowledge. Just because it was common knowledge where you were hanging out, doesn’t mean it was common knowledge across the U.S. population. Oh, COME on. I got that joke from Jay Leno for god’s sake! Where was the majority of the U.S. population in 1992? Hooterville? Bugtussle? Maybe there should be a new question like JFK’s assassination. “Where were you when you found out Bill Clinton chased pussy?” Dopers? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/90 "2017-10-17T13:30:49Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > While Bill Clinton committed sex crimes as well as Trump (although Trump seems more prolific) Really? How about a cite for that? ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/91 "2017-10-17T14:46:23Z")
[Trump is proud of being a sexual predator.](https://pics.me.me/i-did-try-and-fuck-her-she-was-married-i-15132486.png) ---
**Author:** ![Kron](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kron/32/12444_2.png) [@Kron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kron)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/92 "2017-10-17T14:52:33Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > > [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > > > While Bill Clinton committed sex crimes as well as Trump (although Trump seems more prolific) > > Really? How about a cite for that? For my own amusement, I will read this as **Clothy** going to the mat in defense of Bill Clinton (especially in light of Trump’s pride in his… _exploits_). ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/93 "2017-10-17T15:29:36Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > What do you expect? A noob comes along and sees you dismiss someone’s revelation of sexual assault. I have no idea whether you’re right or wrong, and neither does the noob. Obviously there is a history, but do you really expect everyone to know it? On the surface, your comments seem utterly vile. Instead of demanding people “search your history” perhaps you could explain yourself a little better. Rubbish. I expect to not be accused of rape blaming someone when I state that I don’t believe the encounter occurred in the first place. The comments are only vile if you did not bother to read the whole post. The noob in question posted her own load of horse apples because she did not bother to read either. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/94 "2017-10-17T18:48:08Z")
My bad. I didn’t realize that you were the one who decided who has been sexually assaulted and who has not. Is that a cabinet post, by any chance? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/95 "2017-10-17T19:46:40Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Actually, no. > > I mean, sure, it may well have been common knowledge among Arkansas politicians, but when Clinton was elected, most of us just knew about Gennifer Flowers’ claims, and there didn’t seem to be much to that, if you weren’t paying much attention. Which most people weren’t, other than that one time when Bill and Hillary were interviewed on TV about it. Sorry, but this is so wrong. Bill Clinton’s first national Bimbo Eruption was prior to the 1992 Iowa Caucus, even appearing on 60 minutes 2 weeks prior to voting… and trust me, this wasn’t, how did you put it, the “one time when Bill and Hillary were interviewed on TV about it”. He got his ass kicked in Iowa because of the allegations, came in 2nd in New Hampshire a week or so later, giving himself the nickname “The Comeback Kid”, won the South on Super Tuesday, and that was that. But there was no time during the 1992 race when Bill Clinton’s name was on a ballot and the issue of sexual impropriety was not a factor. And if you were on the Right, like I was, and listening to the then-ascendent Limbaugh, like I was, you were _well-informed_ of all this and how his wife was _obviously_ a political harpy with her own game to play, which is why she stood by her man. But not like Tammy Wynette. Which was wrong of Hillary, for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/96 "2017-10-17T19:50:20Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > ``` > > Originally Posted by **aruvqan** [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/images/buttons/viewpost.gif](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20542501#post20542501) > > ... and the double black eye, cracked jaw and broken nose were simply 'love taps'. > > > > ``` > > Good god, I sure hope you’re describing the marks you left on your assailant. ☹ > (Also, maybe don’t be so mean-spirited in your description of the officers who treated your unprovoked, violent assault with such indifference. Apparently it upsets some people here.) Nope, that was me. \ Nope, BBQ Pit. I can be as blunt as I like and honestly? Any asswipe that considers taking a rape report in a hospital, and diminishes the actual injuries to the person [male or female] reporting the rape I will feel perfectly free to call them twatwaffles, douchebrains or whatever else I personally feel about them.If they think I am mean spirited, then maybe they need to stop and mentally and emotionally put themselves in my place. I was walking back to my dorm room a dusk - about a 5 minute walk, not out drinking, or trying to hook up with someone and I get slammed in the face several times and dragged between some buildings out of sight then sucker punched in the middle of my back knocking my breath out of me and my lower half stripped down and made ready for action. The only thing I could manage was to bite hard and do whatever damage I could to the guy in hopes he would leave me alone as too much bother. Sorry for not being compliant and undressing and spreading my legs - nasty shit happens to people, so if you are a snowflake, get out of the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/97 "2017-10-17T21:07:30Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Rubbish. I expect to not be accused of rape blaming someone when I state that I don’t believe the encounter occurred in the first place. Wow. So you _know_ that she wasn’t raped? Not sure how we can confirm your statement. I know. Tell us what I had for lunch. If you get that right, I’ll take your word on the rape. So, what did I have? (Apologies to **aruvqan**. Trying to make a point. I’m sorry for what you went through.) ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/98 "2017-10-18T00:42:03Z")
> [@aruvqan](#): > > Nope, that was me. > > \ Nope, BBQ Pit. I can be as blunt as I like and honestly? Any asswipe that considers taking a rape report in a hospital, and diminishes the actual injuries to the person [male or female] reporting the rape I will feel perfectly free to call them twatwaffles, douchebrains or whatever else I personally feel about them.If they think I am mean spirited, then maybe they need to stop and mentally and emotionally put themselves in my place. I was walking back to my dorm room a dusk - about a 5 minute walk, not out drinking, or trying to hook up with someone and I get slammed in the face several times and dragged between some buildings out of sight then sucker punched in the middle of my back knocking my breath out of me and my lower half stripped down and made ready for action. The only thing I could manage was to bite hard and do whatever damage I could to the guy in hopes he would leave me alone as too much bother. Sorry for not being compliant and undressing and spreading my legs - nasty shit happens to people, so if you are a snowflake, get out of the Pit. Good god, what a truly horrifying thing to go through. ☹ I’m glad you had the tenacity to fight off your assailant. I can appreciate that many victims are not able to do so. My apologies if the ironic intent of my “mean-spirited” remark was not clear. It was directed at **Monty’s** taking umbrage at your disparagement of the officers’ apathy following your violent ordeal. For whatever reason, Monty seems convinced you are trolling. I have no reason to think so, myself. But I will join with the others who have rejected your suggestion that no one without lady parts can truly understand the trauma of rape. (Well, **Monty’s** behaving like a bit of a dick, so I guess I’m siding with **raventhief**.) ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/99 "2017-10-18T01:29:00Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > For whatever reason, Monty seems convinced you are trolling. I have no reason to think so, myself. But I will join with the others who have rejected your suggestion that no one without lady parts can truly understand the trauma of rape. (Well, **Monty’s** behaving like a bit of a dick, so I guess I’m siding with **raventhief**.) That was **Beckdawrek** who claimed you need lady parts to understand rape, not **aruvqan**. ---
**Author:** ![Not\_Carlson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc79bd/32.png) [@Not\_Carlson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Not_Carlson)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/100 "2017-10-18T01:49:29Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > That was **Beckdawrek** who claimed you need lady parts to understand rape, not **aruvqan**. Right you are. That was **Beckdawrek’s** remark. My apologies to **aruvqan** , and thanks **muldoonthief** for correcting me. How on earth did I get them mixed up? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875.md?page=6)