# Clinton: We made a person who committed sexual assault president **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 14, 2017, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875 "2017-10-14T23:37:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/101 "2017-10-18T11:33:53Z")
> [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Right you are. That was **Beckdawrek’s** remark. > My apologies to **aruvqan** , and thanks **muldoonthief** for correcting me. > How on earth did I get them mixed up? All those lady parts look the same. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/102 "2017-10-18T12:56:15Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Sorry, but this is so wrong. Bill Clinton’s first national Bimbo Eruption was prior to the 1992 Iowa Caucus, even appearing on 60 minutes 2 weeks prior to voting… and trust me, this wasn’t, how did you put it, the “one time when Bill and Hillary were interviewed on TV about it”. He got his ass kicked in Iowa because of the allegations, came in 2nd in New Hampshire a week or so later, giving himself the nickname “The Comeback Kid”, won the South on Super Tuesday, and that was that. > > But there was no time during the 1992 race when Bill Clinton’s name was on a ballot and the issue of sexual impropriety was not a factor. And if you were on the Right, like I was, and listening to the then-ascendent Limbaugh, like I was, you were _well-informed_ of all this and how his wife was _obviously_ a political harpy with her own game to play, which is why she stood by her man. But not like Tammy Wynette. Which was wrong of Hillary, for some reason. 1992 was a different time. It’s sad but true. 25 years ago awareness of the true spread and rot of sexual assault and male entitlement was not one tenth as great as it is today. Most people were in denial about it - some still are, but not as many - and the default position was “she’s just a bimbo” or “she’s making it up” or “boys will be boys.” I know 1992 seems recent, but when it comes to this sort of thing it was forever ago. I was in university in 1992, and people saying “rape is very common and please pay attention to that” was a fairly cutting edge, political position to take. When women said “25% of women at university are sexually assaulted” people did not generally believe them. (Frankly, that number sounds a bit low to me.) If Bill Clinton was 25 years younger and history was different and he ran for President in 2020 I would honestly hope the truth of his predatory behavior would keep him out of the White House; he’s disgusting. That Donald Trump was elected is a disgrace. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/103 "2017-10-18T16:14:48Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > When women said “25% of women at university are sexually assaulted” people did not generally believe them. (Frankly, that number sounds a bit low to me.) Depends on how you define sexual assault. Back than most people regarded sexual assault as akin to attempted rape, whereas nowadays unwelcome touching of any sort gets the label. Same with rape. Back then rape was considered to be forced intercourse, where now it applies to almost everything that sexual assault applies to. Both of these are examples of what happens when a word gets stretched into so many different meanings that no one knows what it actually means or what actually happened, thus they don’t know how to process it, nor how to assess its frequency or degree of offense. Of course there are those who claim it doesn’t matter, that any one offense of this kind is as bad as any other, but those people are wrong. Words should mean what they’re supposed to mean and not be contorted to the point they that lose any real meaning. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/104 "2017-10-18T16:26:34Z")
I know, it’s like, why bother even raping anymore, if you’re not going to get full credit? ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/105 "2017-10-18T17:52:10Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I know, it’s like, why bother even raping anymore, if you’re not going to get full credit? Hedley Lamarr: Qualifications? Applicant: Rape, murder, arson, and rape. Hedley Lamarr: You said rape twice. Applicant: I like rape. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/106 "2017-10-18T18:53:48Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Depends on how you define sexual assault. Back than most people regarded sexual assault as akin to attempted rape, whereas nowadays unwelcome touching of any sort gets the label. Same with rape. Back then rape was considered to be forced intercourse, where now it applies to almost everything that sexual assault applies to. Both of these are examples of what happens when a word gets stretched into so many different meanings that no one knows what it actually means or what actually happened, thus they don’t know how to process it, nor how to assess its frequency or degree of offense. Of course there are those who claim it doesn’t matter, that any one offense of this kind is as bad as any other, but those people are wrong. Words should mean what they’re supposed to mean and not be contorted to the point they that lose any real meaning. Perhaps you have difficultly understanding what sexual assault and rape are. I do not, and those things are quite well defined in the Criminal Code of Canada, and are likely well defined in the jurisdiction in which you reside. Perhaps you are in denial on this issue. Wouldn’t surprise me. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/107 "2017-10-18T19:31:36Z")
Certainly they’re defined in legal terminology. Where the distinction gets blurred is in the national dialog, and there it’s become ridiculously exaggerated. But you’re right, I am in denial. An example would be my denial that actions which fall far short of rape are indeed rape. Why is nothing ever bad enough on its own? Why must things always be exaggerated to ridiculous lengths to make them look as bad as they possibly can? Wouldn’t surprise me if you know exactly why. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/108 "2017-10-18T20:19:35Z")
You know who else ridiculously exaggerated things? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/109 "2017-10-18T21:27:30Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > You know who else ridiculously exaggerated things? Tommy Flanagan? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/110 "2017-10-19T07:17:11Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > But you’re right, I am in denial… > Wouldn’t surprise me if you know exactly why. We have several new Dopers, so it may be good to call their attention to what sort of “thinker” **Starving Artist** is. Here are a few samples that showed up with a quick Search. In fact he’s made hundreds of posts worse than any of these. Is he the one who’s expounded on the topic of paper tubes? [I’ve highlighted some of his phrases in the following posts.] > [@Blacks and the Democratic Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/blacks-and-the-democratic-party/637272/114): > > So yeah, we think America needs to be saved … now from the most openly socialistic president of my lifetime, Barack Obama. Believe me, **the fact that he is from Kenya** plays absolutely no role in most Republicans minds in thinking America needs to be saved from Obama. The “fact” he is from Kenya? I thought even **Starving** was smart enough to know Obama was born in Hawaii; perhaps this was just a Freudian slip. OTOH the post was made when his idol Drumpf was still pandering the Kenya story. > [@Michelle Obama and oldest daughter look like sisters.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/michelle-obama-and-oldest-daughter-look-like-sisters/640302/29): > > One of the great things about this board is the things I learn about the black experience in America that I’d never know about otherwise. Who knew TPTB were deliberately spending big dough to fool America about the size of the Ms. Obama’s tush? Not us white folk, I guess, unless we’re advisers to the President. > > On the one hand it’s a shame this is apparently considered a necessity for prominent black females in the political sphere, but on the other hand it’s pretty damn funny the way you describe it. Maybe this is why Michelle likes to take separate vacations from the Prez - she can put on her stretch jeans and sashay around like “BLAM!” to her heart’s content. 😃 > [@What's the "final" word on the Benghazi embassy attack?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/whats-the-final-word-on-the-benghazi-embassy-attack/639384/173): > > [Re: Benghazi] > I’d have been happier if they’d come up with something a little more sophisticated and less insulting to our intelligence. As it is, the Clinton-esque arrogance and blatancy of this particular dishonesty smacks of her design (or perhaps Bill’s). The whole thing seems much more like something they’d come up with than something Obama and his team would hatch. > > But who knows? He’s had four years to watch them in action. Maybe he’s picked up a few pointers along the way. > [@How to dissuade a newbie Trump supporter?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/how-to-dissuade-a-newbie-trump-supporter/737551/46): > > And it doesn’t mean you won’t be either. I’ll take Trump’s savvy and experience and negotiating talent and proven ability to get complex and difficult things done over an empty sack like Obama or a whatever-she-is-who-can-say candidate like Hillary Clinton any day. Not too bright, our little **Starving Artist**. We keep him around for laughs. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/111 "2017-10-19T07:54:33Z")
Perhaps the aforementioned newbies understand that quoting out of context is a scoundrel’s ploy. Once I saw convincing evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii, I both readily accepted it and said so here on the board. The comments about Michelle Obama and administration efforts to dress her in ways that downplayed her derriere were both sympathetic to her as well as other black women, and were made in response to one of the board’s black women who’d made a comment about it to me in a friendly and conversational way. Etc., etc., etc. Hopefully these newbies whom you’re so concerned might take my comments seriously (and it’s not hard to tell when this has become a concern; horseshit like you just posted often follows) will come to recognize you as the dishonest, unthinking, reflexive and excruciatingly partisan crackpot that you are. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/112 "2017-10-19T10:31:40Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Perhaps the aforementioned newbies understand that quoting out of context is a scoundrel’s ploy. > > Once I saw convincing evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii, I both readily accepted it and said so here on the board. Newbies should know they can click the blue arrow immediately after “Originally Posted by Starving Artist” and see your whinings _in context_. They will also find that you described Obama’s Kenyan status as a “fact” in October 2012 — four years after he released his Certificate of Live Birth; fifty-one years after his birth was mentioned in Honolulu newspapers; and more than 20,000 years after the last non-sapiens hominid _supposedly_ went extinct. I’m afraid I’m not interested in searching to learn when you “saw convincing evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii” — I suppose that means when your idol Trumpfuck finally belched out an admission. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/113 "2017-10-19T12:41:39Z")
I voted for the Clinton machine but she’s beginning to remind me of how I felt about Alex Rodriguez in his final years. Please, just go away. Admit you’re done and retire. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/114 "2017-10-19T14:05:15Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > I’ll take Trump’s savvy and experience and negotiating talent and proven ability to get complex and difficult things done Too late. They’ve been missing for some time now. Search was called off. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/115 "2017-10-19T15:44:52Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Wow. > So you _know_ that she wasn’t raped? > > Not sure how we can confirm your statement. I know. Tell us what I had for lunch. If you get that right, I’ll take your word on the rape. So, what did I have? > > (Apologies to **aruvqan**. Trying to make a point. I’m sorry for what you went through.) OK [though with a web cam and a quick finger down the throat we can get confirmation of what you had for lunch … blech =) At the time I had definite injuries and a rape kit done in a local hospital, so it really was particularly tasteless asking me if I were certain I would like to report a rape. Since I had a hunk o’rapist to help confirm that some guy was in fact the correct guy, I saw no reason I should be treated like I was lying, and trying to pin it on some random guy.] > [@Not\_Carlson](#): > > Good god, what a truly horrifying thing to go through. ☹ > I’m glad you had the tenacity to fight off your assailant. I can appreciate that many victims are not able to do so. > > My apologies if the ironic intent of my “mean-spirited” remark was not clear. It was directed at **Monty’s** taking umbrage at your disparagement of the officers’ apathy following your violent ordeal. > > For whatever reason, Monty seems convinced you are trolling. I have no reason to think so, myself. But I will join with the others who have rejected your suggestion that no one without lady parts can truly understand the trauma of rape. (Well, **Monty’s** behaving like a bit of a dick, so I guess I’m siding with **raventhief**.) Still got raped, just didn’t ‘go quietly’ and I really don’t care what some random asshole on the internet thinks, I know what happened, and while it has impacted how I do things [I am more careful with personal security] it didn’t stop me from developing relationships [both good and bad, can’t screen for bad sometimes, they get really good at hiding their problems] and hasn’t stopped me from volunteering at womens shelters or being willing to discuss it with people. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/116 "2017-10-19T16:00:04Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Newbies should know they can click the blue arrow immediately after “Originally Posted by Starving Artist” and see your whinings _in context_. Do you want to tell them about his … \*interesting \*views of sexual assault with regards to the Penn State scandal, or let them find out on their own? ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/117 "2017-10-19T16:16:15Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > We have several new Dopers, so it may be good to call their attention to what sort of “thinker” **Starving Artist** is. Here are a few samples that showed up with a quick Search. In fact he’s made hundreds of posts worse than any of these. Is he the one who’s expounded on the topic of paper tubes? [I’ve highlighted some of his phrases in the following posts.] > > The “fact” he is from Kenya? I thought even **Starving** was smart enough to know Obama was born in Hawaii; perhaps this was just a Freudian slip. OTOH the post was made when his idol Drumpf was still pandering the Kenya story. > > Not too bright, our little **Starving Artist**. We keep him around for laughs. and now we know the rest of the story, thx for the heads up from all us noobs! ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/118 "2017-10-19T17:54:11Z")
If you’re listening to **septimus** you don’t know much. Take for example the way he’s gone out of his way here to make me look like a huge Trump supporter by taking things I said earlier on but omitting the fact that I eventually became convinced that I was wrong about Trump and didn’t vote for him, as he should well know since I’ve had occasion to say so a dozen times or more since the election. **septimus** is up there with **ElvisL1ves** for being one of the most stupid and dishonest liberal posters on the board. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/119 "2017-10-19T18:33:10Z")
All anyone has to do is to quote you, yanno. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875/120 "2017-10-19T18:37:45Z")
Sure, and I have no problem with that…as long as it’s done honestly and in context. Which of course leaves you two out of consideration. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clinton-we-made-a-person-who-committed-sexual-assault-president/798875.md?page=7)