# Closing of belly fat debate thread **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [March 20, 2016, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/closing-of-belly-fat-debate-thread/749702 "2016-03-20T22:41:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/closing-of-belly-fat-debate-thread/749702/1 "2016-03-20T22:41:08Z")
> **["You can't target the fat loss area"](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=787736)** > > Here: Sage Rat and ddsun said that you can’t target fat loss in an area. (ddsum said “…with a diet”) Here is a pic of Jeremy Clarkson’s belly: If he was to lose weight would it involve something like halving... I don’t understand why the debate thread was closed. I thought it could have been moved if necessary. The mod said it appeared to be a blog. But I think it was a debate. I had a side that I mostly stuck to and I mostly debated another poster. I mentioned that the websites for the book related to the debate were dead but I still am on that side of the debate. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/closing-of-belly-fat-debate-thread/749702/2 "2016-03-20T22:48:23Z")
There were 14 posts in that thread, and 11 of them were yours. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/closing-of-belly-fat-debate-thread/749702/3 "2016-03-20T22:50:14Z")
“JohnClay, when you post here, think more about where it should go and whether you’re truly interested in a discussion. Perhaps a blog is more in order.” I do want a discussion. Notice that I always replied to the other guy. I don’t want a blog where there are no replies. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/closing-of-belly-fat-debate-thread/749702/4 "2016-03-20T22:51:23Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > There were 14 posts in that thread, and 11 of them were yours. That shows that I’m passionate about my side of the debate. Also in my opening post I targeted two other posters who failed to reply. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/closing-of-belly-fat-debate-thread/749702/5 "2016-03-20T22:52:46Z")
BTW in some of my posts I’m sort of disagreeing with myself - so I’m looking for a balanced discussion. (e.g. when I’m saying that the book sites are dead) Though I still support my side of the debate. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/closing-of-belly-fat-debate-thread/749702/6 "2016-03-20T22:55:24Z")
Well, if you’re sort of disagreeing for yourself, so you’ve _got_ a balanced discussion. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/closing-of-belly-fat-debate-thread/749702/7 "2016-03-20T22:58:49Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Well, if you’re sort of disagreeing for yourself, so you’ve _got_ a balanced discussion. It’s like in a scientific paper where they might bring up contradictory evidence but still think it doesn’t matter that much overall. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/closing-of-belly-fat-debate-thread/749702/8 "2016-03-20T23:05:20Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > “JohnClay, when you post here, think more about where it should go and whether you’re truly interested in a discussion. Perhaps a blog is more in order.” > > I do want a discussion. Notice that I always replied to the other guy. I don’t want a blog where there are no replies. You are aware that there exist blogs which allow replies, yes? ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/closing-of-belly-fat-debate-thread/749702/9 "2016-03-20T23:09:47Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > There were 14 posts in that thread, and 11 of them were yours. Yeah, but IMO the mod should give it some time before declaring “Johns” blog now closed. Its not like the “anti” John crowd are just sitting at the computer waiting to start debating John the moment the thread starts. Wait until it actually becomes a blog before closing. To be honest, I was a bit peeved at the closing. I’ve been hearing all this bell fat stuff lately and was wondering what the Straightdope actually was on that. Ignorance not fought. But at least I was saved from a possible blog. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/closing-of-belly-fat-debate-thread/749702/10 "2016-03-20T23:24:46Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > BTW in some of my posts I’m sort of disagreeing with myself - so I’m looking for a balanced discussion. (e.g. when I’m saying that the book sites are dead) Though I still support my side of the debate. So, you are large, then? You contain multitudes? ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/closing-of-belly-fat-debate-thread/749702/11 "2016-03-20T23:42:07Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > You are aware that there exist blogs which allow replies, yes? Except for the first one no-one replies to my blogs. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/closing-of-belly-fat-debate-thread/749702/12 "2016-03-20T23:43:36Z")
I don’t think a thread where the OP involves me trying to get 2 opposing posters to respond is a “blog”. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/closing-of-belly-fat-debate-thread/749702/13 "2016-03-20T23:54:03Z")
Previous threads by JohnClay: ["Starvation mode", regular eating, fasting & stubborn belly fat loss - Factual Questions - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=704145) - “Starvation mode”, regular eating, fasting & stubborn belly fat loss [Female belly fat and clozaril/clozapine - Factual Questions - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=661598) - Female belly fat and clozaril/clozapine [Surgery for extreme belly fat? - Factual Questions - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=723209) - Surgery for extreme belly fat? [Six packs (stomach muscles) are weird - In My Humble Opinion - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=724665) - Six packs (stomach muscles) are weird [Going on a 7 day fast - Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=734420) - Going on a 7 day fast [Is eating healthy the best way to lose weight? - In My Humble Opinion - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=737389) - Is eating healthy the best way to lose weight? [The Warrior Diet - Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=735359) - The Warrior Diet [Losing man boob fat while not getting droopy - Factual Questions - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=786046) - Losing man boob fat while not getting droopy [Can the liver benefit from a "rest"? - Factual Questions - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=735451) - Can the liver benefit from a “rest”? [Is coffee/caffeine good or bad for belly fat loss? - Factual Questions - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=787710) - Is coffee/caffeine good or bad for belly fat loss? There’s certainly a variety of approaches to a general subject, one that clearly has been a concern to John for some time. I’m not particularly concerned with the number of threads on the same general subject, but the fact that on several of the threads he has displayed no real intention of listening to anyone who disagrees with his original idea. Take a read of the Warrior Diet thread as a classic example. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2016, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/closing-of-belly-fat-debate-thread/749702/14 "2016-03-20T23:58:52Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > …he has displayed no real intention of listening to anyone who disagrees with his original idea… Debates involve people disagreeing… also in the debate thread I did accept some things that guy was saying… e.g. that both types of fat are the same in most ways or that glucagon might not be a scientific thing. BTW I think this is the first time I’ve started this general topic as a debate thread. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/closing-of-belly-fat-debate-thread/749702/15 "2016-03-21T00:28:17Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > It’s like in a scientific paper… No, it’s not. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/closing-of-belly-fat-debate-thread/749702/16 "2016-03-21T00:38:32Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > Except for the first one no-one replies to my blogs. If it’s back-and-forth you want, try starting a video blog on YouTube. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/closing-of-belly-fat-debate-thread/749702/17 "2016-03-21T00:54:51Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > If it’s back-and-forth you want, try starting a video blog on YouTube. But I wanted 2 posters from these forums to respond. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/closing-of-belly-fat-debate-thread/749702/18 "2016-03-21T00:55:53Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > No, it’s not. Yes I agree. Sometimes I say things that weren’t thought out very well. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/closing-of-belly-fat-debate-thread/749702/19 "2016-03-21T01:11:15Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > But I wanted 2 posters from these forums to respond. John, I closed it because you were essentially performing a monologue for the rest of us. You don’t get to start a thread and expect others to appear at your command because you wish them to do so. Also, your current kick for weight loss threads is approaching the level of monomania. That’s what, seven threads on the subject since the first of the year? This also looks like you’ve picked a subject you wish to go on about. Enough. 15 posts. You, eleven. Abivalid 3, my closing 1. I figure if your posts in a thread exceed 50% you’re preaching to yourself and not for the benefit of others or of a real debate. Don’t do it again. You’ve already got a few topic bans. Let’s not add to that list. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2016, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/closing-of-belly-fat-debate-thread/749702/20 "2016-03-21T01:15:01Z")
BTW remember that a lot of the debate was in this thread: > **[Is coffee/caffeine good or bad for belly fat loss?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=787710)** > > https://authoritynutrition.com/coffee-increase-metabolism/ So which ones are right? Or does it depend on the person? Count up how many were debating me on the fat loss area topic… In post 29 it was also on that topic. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/closing-of-belly-fat-debate-thread/749702.md?page=2)