# Clothahump, and others... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 2, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465 "2016-11-02T18:35:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/181 "2016-11-04T22:44:52Z")
> [@Translucent\_Daydream](#): > > I’m still waiting… is there really any disasters yet? What’s you’re definition of a “disaster”? Because up until now you don’t seem to accept disaster and Democrat in the same sentence. It’s as if it’s not possible. But humor me, what’s a Democrat “disaster” now or in the past you’d agree really was one? > [@Translucent\_Daydream](#): > > I’m honestly wondering. Doesn’t seem like it. Seems more like you want to bitch at those you tricked into joining your discussion. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/182 "2016-11-04T22:53:03Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > [My emphasis] > Quoted for motherfuckin’ truth. > > This is the fundamental factual error that, I believe, underpins every right-wing outrage about Clinton’s email: they think she exclusively communicated by emails on her private server, which meant that all of her confidential communications were run through an unsecure email service. > > That is NOT true. There are special means by which secret information is communicated. As noted by **Procrustus** , the types of “classified” materials that ended up being found on the server were things like newspaper articles (because over-classification is a very serious and real problem in our government), and NOT the good stuff, like military targets or counter-intelligence. > > Which is why it’s a tempest in a teapot, but the low-information Right is well and truly outraged. There’s also the fact that the State Department’s personal/unclassified email systems that she was supposed to have used WERE FUCKING HACKED along with many other systems! And not only that, but all those diplomatic cables and other shit were plucked right off the ACTUAL FUCKING CLASSIFIED SYSTEM and dumped onto Wikileaks! Crazy as it may seem, in reality it turns out any secrets were actually SAFER on Hillary’s private server. > **[Why Russia Is Backing Donald Trump](https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-russia-hillary-clinton-united-states-europe-516895)** > > Inside Vladimir Putin's complex gambit to weaken NATO. > [@](#): > > Russian hackers penetrated the White House, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the State Department. The State Department cyberattack, which began in 2014 and lasted more than a year, was particularly severe, with Russian hackers gaining entry into its unclassified system, including emails. (Hillary Clinton left the State Department in 2013, which means that if she had used its unclassified email system rather than her private server—a decision that has dogged her throughout the campaign—any of her emails on the government system could have been obtained by Russian hackers.) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/183 "2016-11-04T23:06:08Z")
Say, Clothahump, you keep posting, but you don’t reply to this: > [@](#): > > Clothahump, I wonder if you’d be so good to address a couple of points… since you are obviously very, VERY concerned with the increase to the debt under Obama, as well as embassy security. > > As has been pointed out, > Quote: > Bush added $5.849 trillion, a 101% increase to the $5.8 trillion debt level at the end of Clinton’s last budget, FY 2001. > > Ronald Reagan added $1.86 trillion, a 186% increase in the $998 billion debt level at the end of Carter’s last budget, FY 1981. > > However, > Barack Obama added $7.917 trillion, a 68% increase in the $11.657 trillion debt level attributable to President Bush by the end of his last budget, FY 2009. > > So I expect you will admit now that Obama’s increase to the debt was not A DISASTER! > > Also, it has been pointed out that under Bush, there were 13 attacks on embassies and 60 deaths. So I’m sure you will admit now that Benghazi was not A DISASTER! for the country. > > Alternatively, you could tell me to fuck off, since this seems to be your go-to strategy. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/184 "2016-11-04T23:07:22Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > What’s you’re definition of a “disaster”? Because up until now you don’t seem to accept disaster and Democrat in the same sentence. It’s as if it’s not possible. > . No, we don’t accept that the pathetic examples given were “disasters”. See my post above. ---
**Author:** ![Translucent\_Daydream](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/translucent_daydream/32/16170_2.png) [@Translucent\_Daydream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Translucent_Daydream)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/185 "2016-11-04T23:14:30Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > What’s you’re definition of a “disaster”? Because up until now you don’t seem to accept disaster and Democrat in the same sentence. It’s as if it’s not possible. > > But humor me, what’s a Democrat “disaster” now or in the past you’d agree really was one? > > Doesn’t seem like it. Seems more like you want to bitch at those you tricked into joining your discussion. I’m not actually. The OP was asking Cloth if he could lay out any disasters, so far I don’t feel as someone who is neutral in politics for the most part. I guess to answer your question, some of Billdo Shaggins’ crime and punishment stuff was a disaster to poor and black folks. I’m actually looking for some ignorance on my part to be fought by people that are smarter than me… if you aren’t up to the task than so be it, but don’t make any assumptions on my part. That makes you look… dumb. You could be smarter than I am and you could totally have a point that I would totally be receptive to it. I’m not that clear these days I guess. A lady was walking a neat looking white dog down the street a few minutes ago, and I said to her “Cool dog! Is it a Spitz?” And she just screamed at me to leave her alone and called me an asshole. I guess she made an assumption that I was a rapist or badman asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/186 "2016-11-04T23:22:35Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > What’s you’re definition of a “disaster”? Because up until now you don’t seem to accept disaster and Democrat in the same sentence. It’s as if it’s not possible. If a democrat had started the Iraq war, I’d consider that a disaster. The problem with defining anything the democrats have done as a “Disaster” is that the republicans really have set the bar _incredibly_ high. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/187 "2016-11-04T23:34:51Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Male Clinton and Female Clinton. Clint♂n and Clint♀n. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/188 "2016-11-04T23:37:51Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > No, we don’t accept that the pathetic examples given were “disasters”. > > See my post above. How about those so-called mom jeans he wore? That was a fucking fashion disaster. Allegedly. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/189 "2016-11-05T00:57:35Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Let’s put **Clothahump’s** little theory to the test. He thinks that if people believe that Clinton is a felon, then she must be a felon, whereas I think that if he acts like a blithering idiot he must be a blithering idiot. > I think this can be decided democratically with an informal poll: > Do you think that Clinton is an actual felon, or do you think that **Clothahump** is a blithering idiot? Well, that depends. What constitutes “blithering”? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/190 "2016-11-05T01:03:09Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Arguing with liberals is like playing chess with a pigeon. . . . One has to be a really, really bad player when the pigeon wins most of the time. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/191 "2016-11-05T01:21:52Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > If we’re going to respect precedent, I prefer Bush the Elder and Bush the Younger. Doesn’t help for the Clintons, though. Bush the Elder and Bush the Lesses. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/192 "2016-11-05T01:43:17Z")
Democratic disaster, eh? Wilson getting us into the Great War? ---
**Author:** ![MacCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maccat/32/216_2.png) [@MacCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacCat)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/193 "2016-11-05T02:43:56Z")
Bush the First & Bush the Worst… ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/194 "2016-11-05T02:50:04Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > What’s you’re definition of a “disaster”? Because up until now you don’t seem to accept disaster and Democrat in the same sentence. It’s as if it’s not possible. > > But humor me, what’s a Democrat “disaster” now or in the past you’d agree really was one? Vietnam counts. Maybe the mess at the end of the Carter administration. Last 8 years? None that I can think of. Things weren’t perfect, but nothing at the level of 9/11, the Iraqi Invasion, and the Great Recession. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/195 "2016-11-05T02:51:08Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > If we’re going to respect precedent, I prefer Bush the Elder and Bush the Younger. Doesn’t help for the Clintons, though. Clinton the grabber and Clinton the grabee? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/196 "2016-11-05T02:53:33Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Clinton the grabber and Clinton the grabee? 😛 She never let Trump get that close. [Unlike the Trump women.](http://pinnaclepolitics.com/sites/default/files/field/image/Trump-women-stand-like-this.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/197 "2016-11-05T02:54:29Z")
BTW, the clowns here are just following their leader the Orange Turd. It seems he said the jobs report this morning was a disaster. Job growth good, unemployment down, and incomes up a decent amount again. That’s a disaster but your casino going bankrupt is a success. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/198 "2016-11-05T03:07:03Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > What’s you’re definition of a “disaster”? Because up until now you don’t seem to accept disaster and Democrat in the same sentence. It’s as if it’s not possible. > > But humor me, what’s a Democrat “disaster” now or in the past you’d agree really was one? Vietnam, but that was a bipartisan disaster. Not vetoing the repeal of Glass-Steagall. The supermajority at the beginning of Obama’s first term was squandered, but I probably wouldn’t label that a disaster. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/199 "2016-11-05T03:12:17Z")
[QUOTE=Clothahump] You’re not concerned about the fact that she did it deliberately to avoid FOIA requests? . [/QUOTE] This is an arrogant assertion. Prove that you know her motive. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2016, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/200 "2016-11-05T05:31:15Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > No, we don’t accept that the pathetic examples given were “disasters”. > > See my post above. I did see it. And then I asked what would constitute a Democrat disaster in your mind, if there’s ever been one (actually I was asking a different poster, the OP). Whatever definition the poster is relying on for ‘disaster’ apparently can’t include a Democrat. Thus anything a Republican says is a Democrat disaster he can brush away and dismiss as not being a ‘disaster’ and continue his nonsense game. Sad little game by a sad little mind. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465.md?page=11)