# Clothahump, and others... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 2, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465 "2016-11-02T18:35:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/301 "2016-11-08T01:59:05Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > I’ve never run into employer based coverage that refused people for pre-existing conditions, and COBRA didn’t either. You have had a very limited experience with employer-run or employer-purchased health insurance. Even up in the union-rich Rust Belt of the 1970s and 1980s, I only knew of one company that provided insurance that did not exclude for pre-existing conditions. And they were eager to enforce those rules, (_E.g._, trying to declare gestational diabetes (in a woman in her 20s who was not overweight) to be a “pre-existing” condition when her pregnancy began after she had been employed for a couple of years). ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/302 "2016-11-08T02:57:00Z")
Wife was an insurance adjuster in the '70s. “It’s not a charity.” Were it not for the ACA, and hospital workers scrambling to get her on Medicare early, we could never have paid for the care needed to keep her alive this long. “Your insurance from work won’t pay more than $400 a day for her. Don’t you have something else?” “No.” Have you ever had to say “No” so bluntly? This was my wife of 40 years. The love of my life. And I could do nothing but place her fucking life in the hands of strangers. Fuck you, Republicans. Fuck you with the razors you put in the edges of Trump signs. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/303 "2016-11-08T03:05:32Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Point out the part(s) that you consider to be a disaster. Explain your reasoning. Ha! OK professor. I really want to do good here! It cost more and I get less. I was lied to to get it passed. Need more? > [@bobot](#): > > Certain Republicans have been wiping tears of rage from their cheeks ever since the poor and unemployed were given a chance to have health insurance. This is most likely due to the violation of Jesus’ teaching of “Fuck The Poor”. There isn’t a day that goes by that I walk by an indigent or outcast and laugh at their fate - I caused that. You people deserve your situation. I don’t want a thing of mine to help your or them. What’s mine is mine. Except those dastardly taxes that I pay. Unemployment. SSI. Property. Federal, state… I’m told all those help society and in particular the disadvantaged and not as well off as myself (another Ha!) steer clear of third world life. Personally I think the food shelf I give to does more in a day than the government does in a year. But you’re right. I want poor, indigent, minorities,women to suffer. I get off on it. Der Trihs is workshoping this. I’m aligned. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Politics is the art of the possible. Single payer is not yet at that point, while ACA was (barely). > > So why do you think the Republicans opposed it? :dubious: The Republicans were told to they’d never have a say in it. Get lost. Input not needed. I’ll ask again though - you had the Presidency and both houses. You had every chance to pass whatever it is you wanted. And now are saying it’s all wrong and this and that should have been included, but never was. This isn’t a Democrat disaster? ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/304 "2016-11-08T03:07:53Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > **HeweyLogan** , a few minutes ago I welcomed a Pitizen who, after his/her one-year internship, has consistently show he/she is not a fucking moron. It took longer, but I even congratulated **adaher** for his mental growth here. We still disagree, but I’ve come to respect his mental processes. **Clothy** , not so much. Don’t be like him. Whatever you say little miss important. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/305 "2016-11-08T03:12:26Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Ha! OK professor. I really want to do good here! > > It cost more and I get less. > > I was lied to to get it passed. > > Need more? And yet, there are people getting health insurance that is affordable. Go get yourself a better plan. The companies offer a number of plans to choose from. You need to realize that if your old plan didn’t meet the minimum requirements, it went away. Which meant you had a shitty plan to begin with. Unless you live in a state run by a Republican Governor who refused to accept the exchanges. That’s your fault. Now try again and this time show figures that demonstrate the whole system is a disaster for the whole country, not just your personal situation. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/306 "2016-11-08T03:16:22Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Ha! OK professor. I really want to do good here! > > It cost more and I get less. > > I was lied to to get it passed. > > Need more? > … You hate being lied to, huh? It a disaster when that happens, yes? …Do you see where I’m headed here? Everyone else does. Trump has done just about nothing BUT lie ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/307 "2016-11-08T03:24:56Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You need to realize that if your old plan didn’t meet the minimum requirements, it went away. Which meant you had a shitty plan to begin with. If that isn’t the most galling part of the plan, or your attempt to sell it, I don’t know what is - ‘We’ll tell you what you need. Shut the fuck up’. Some of the most arrogant, self-righteous motherfucking shit I’ve ever seen… Thanks Dems. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/308 "2016-11-08T03:29:08Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > The Republicans were told to they’d never have a say in it. Get lost. Input not needed. This is directly false. The Republicans refused to meet with Obama and then refused to meet with party leaders from the Democrats on multiple occasions during the writing of the ACA. On the one occasion when the Republican leadership was specifically invited to the White House, they showed up, then reused to engage in the discussion, silently traipsing out to tell the assembled news media that they had nothing to say to Obama. After multiple attempts to get them to participate, the Democratic leadership moved on without them. The Republicans then spent the next seven years lying that they were excluded from the discussions. Ironically, a significant portion of Obamacare included numerous provisions that the Republicans had been promoting for years. The Democrats were willing to include “Republican” talking points (_E.g._, the exchanges and basing it on private insurance companies), from the period before Obama’s election, but the Republicans then turned around and attacked many of those same points. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/309 "2016-11-08T03:30:19Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > If that isn’t the most galling part of the plan, or your attempt to sell it, I don’t know what is - ‘We’ll tell you what you need. Shut the fuck up’. > > Some of the most arrogant, self-righteous motherfucking shit I’ve ever seen… > > Thanks Dems. You have no understanding of how badly a poor healthcare plan can fuck you up. But you seem to want to be self-reliant. Why not just dump your plan altogether? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/310 "2016-11-08T03:31:31Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Whatever you say little miss important. Ah, the type of person who thinks comparing a guy to a woman is a good insult. Always nice when they make it easy to figure out what type of person they are. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/311 "2016-11-08T03:42:09Z")
> [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](#): > > Well, Penfeather, I am sure clothy can argue that the “Provide for the Common Defense” words in the Preamble will cover the Air Force question. > > Of course, then he has to explain why “Promote the General Welfare” can’t include something like single-payer health…which I am sure he can do, given his prowess at mental gymnastics… [Clothy] It dudn’t say airey–planes so I ain’t payin fer no airey-planes [/Clothy] ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/312 "2016-11-08T04:01:23Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > You keep saying this, so I’m sure you can provide evidence that “she did it deliberately to avoid FOIA requests”. > **[Clinton's private email account exploits FOIA loophole, report says](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/clintons-private-email-account-exploits-foia-loophole-report-says)** > > EXCLUSIVE: Hillary Clinton’s unorthodox use of a private email account and personal server for government business exploited a loophole in the State Department's FOIA process, according to the findings of the first Inspector General report to stem... ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/313 "2016-11-08T04:48:15Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > This is directly false No it isn’t. Revisit the days after Obama’s inauguration. Dems to Republicans - fuck off. People were overjoyed. > [@running\_coach](#): > > You have no understanding of how badly a poor healthcare plan can fuck you up.But you seem to want to be self-reliant. Why not just dump your plan altogether? Screw what tomndebb said, this is even more nuts. How about I’d like to pick and choose which plan I have? I’d like to have this but not that? I’d like to do this in the future and not that? I’d like choices beyond what’s allowed by my state and allowed by my government? What the FUCK allows you and prescribes you to assert what I should or shouldn’t have? You self righteous, self important know it all fuck… Get over yourself. Get over thinking you know what’s best for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/314 "2016-11-08T04:54:08Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > No it isn’t. Revisit the days after Obama’s inauguration. Dems to Republicans - fuck off. > > People were overjoyed. > > Screw what tomndebb said, this is even more nuts. How about I’d like to pick and choose which plan I have? I’d like to have this but not that? I’d like to do this in the future and not that? I’d like choices beyond what’s allowed by my state and allowed by my government? > > What the FUCK allows you and prescribes you to assert what I should or shouldn’t have? > > You self righteous, self important know it all fuck… > > Get over yourself. Get over thinking you know what’s best for everyone. Boy, Republicans get upset when someone tells them how to run their life. Kinda ironic, doncha think? ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/315 "2016-11-08T04:58:31Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > You self righteous, self important know it all fuck… > > Get over yourself. Get over thinking you know what’s best for everyone. You seem really stressed, might want to have that checked out by a doctor. And the best part? It’s OK if you’ve always been a spittle-flecked ranting maniac, because your plan is required by law to cover preexisting conditions. ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/316 "2016-11-08T05:04:42Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > No it isn’t. Revisit the days after Obama’s inauguration. Dems to Republicans - fuck off. > > People were overjoyed. > > Screw what tomndebb said, this is even more nuts. How about I’d like to pick and choose which plan I have? I’d like to have this but not that? I’d like to do this in the future and not that? I’d like choices beyond what’s allowed by my state and allowed by my government? > > What the FUCK allows you and prescribes you to assert what I should or shouldn’t have? > > You self righteous, self important know it all fuck… > > Get over yourself. Get over thinking you know what’s best for everyone. Sure gonna miss you after tomorrow; what, it’s midnight Pacific Time you’re off this job, right? Wherever will you take this laser-like insight of yours that somehow knows no other subject but the defense of Donald J Loser? ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/317 "2016-11-08T05:44:42Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > You seem really stressed, might want to have that checked out by a doctor. It isn’t covered anymore. > [@running\_coach](#): > > Boy, Republicans get upset when someone tells them how to run their life. Yep. Don’t you? Or are you a child? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/318 "2016-11-08T05:49:51Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > It isn’t covered anymore. > > Yep. > > Don’t you? Or are you a child? I act like an adult. Unlike you. You’re the one whining about paying taxes while wanting to benefit from what those taxes buy. And I doubt that seeing your doctor because you’re stressed isn’t covered. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/319 "2016-11-08T05:56:43Z")
Just for the hell of it, here are the [required areas of coverage.](https://www.healthcare.gov/coverage/what-marketplace-plans-cover/) Mental health and preventive/wellness services are covered. Maybe you should find out what’s really covered before bitching about your plan. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/320 "2016-11-08T06:33:07Z")
Question for the moderators about the latest **Clothahump** thread… [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=809826](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=809826) So, stupid question… Is the reason this isn’t considered trolling because you collectively think he’s too stupid to lie like this on purpose? Like, do we need to prove malicious intent? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465.md?page=17)