# Clothahump, and others... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 2, 2016, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465 "2016-11-02T18:35:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/321 "2016-11-08T09:42:10Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > [Clinton's private email account exploits FOIA loophole, report says | Fox News](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/07/clintons-private-email-account-exploits-foia-loophole-report-says.html) That doesn’t say “she did it deliberately to avoid FOIA requests”. Trying reading for comprehension next time. While using a private server does indeed create FOIA issues, there’s nothing besides your own skewed worldview to indicate that she **deliberately** used the private server to avoid FOIA requests rather than for the more obvious reason that it was convenient, just like Powell did. Absent any evidence, any malign intent inferred is all down to you. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/322 "2016-11-08T11:23:45Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > No it isn’t. Revisit the days after Obama’s inauguration. Dems to Republicans - fuck off. > > People were overjoyed. Which “people”? Obama asked for Republican buy-in and was rebuffed. That a couple of partisans on the Huffpost visitor comments may have tried to tell the Republicans to go away is hardly the responsibility of Obama, Pelosi, or Reid, who all tried to get Republican cooperation. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/323 "2016-11-08T11:59:21Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Screw what tomndebb said, this is even more nuts. How about I’d like to pick and choose which plan I have? I’d like to have this but not that? I’d like to do this in the future and not that? I’d like choices beyond what’s allowed by my state and allowed by my government? > > What the FUCK allows you and prescribes you to assert what I should or shouldn’t have? > > You self righteous, self important know it all fuck… > > Get over yourself. Get over thinking you know what’s best for everyone. It must be hard to go through life as an imbecile who has absolutely no clue how health care works throughout the civilized world, and, apparently, no clue about anything else, either. You have my sympathies. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/324 "2016-11-08T12:20:14Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > What the FUCK allows you and prescribes you to assert what I should or shouldn’t have? Same thing as allows society to dictate a million and one things that affect our collective lives. Like whether people can have an abortion, whether people can have various drugs, whether certain people can marry etc. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/325 "2016-11-08T12:22:01Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > So, stupid question… Is the reason this isn’t considered trolling because you collectively think he’s too stupid to lie like this on purpose? Like, do we need to prove malicious intent? He really isn’t trolling. I’ve never seen anything to suggest that Clothy is anything other than sincerely, truly, deeply, idiotically as blindly partisan as he appears to be. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/326 "2016-11-08T13:17:17Z")
this is true, Clothahump is completely wrong but he\* is\* sincere: not trolling. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/327 "2016-11-08T13:56:08Z")
> [@JackieLikesVariety](#): > > this is true, Clothahump is completely wrong but he\* is\* sincere: not trolling. See **Clothy** , the reason you’re not getting banned for this stupid shit is the same as the reason Clinton isn’t a felon: can’t establish malicious intent. Just stupidity. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/328 "2016-11-08T14:25:52Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > He really isn’t trolling. I’ve never seen anything to suggest that Clothy is anything other than sincerely, truly, deeply, idiotically as blindly partisan as he appears to be. > [@JackieLikesVariety](#): > > this is true, Clothahump is completely wrong but he\* is\* sincere: not trolling. Trolling and sincerity are not mutually exclusive. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/329 "2016-11-08T14:58:26Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Trolling and sincerity are not mutually exclusive. True enough, just look at Mechaforce’s threads. “There’s no meaning in existence and I will stand here and reject everything any of you says and demand more while blaming you for being inadequate to my unrealistic demands!” ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/330 "2016-11-08T16:35:15Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > You have had a very limited experience with employer-run or employer-purchased health insurance. > > Even up in the union-rich Rust Belt of the 1970s and 1980s, I only knew of one company that provided insurance that did not exclude for pre-existing conditions. And they were eager to enforce those rules, (_E.g._, trying to declare gestational diabetes (in a woman in her 20s who was not overweight) to be a “pre-existing” condition when her pregnancy began after she had been employed for a couple of years). Actually it’s you who clearly have very limited knowledge of employer run/purchased healthcare. What you _may_ have been true in the 70s and 80s which is before I was involved in the field, but definitely not in the last couple of decades, what with ERISA and HIPAA. You might want to read up a bit, e.g. [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-existing_condition#Former_regulation). > [@tomndebb](#): > > This is directly false. > > The Republicans refused to meet with Obama and then refused to meet with party leaders from the Democrats on multiple occasions during the writing of the ACA. On the one occasion when the Republican leadership was specifically invited to the White House, they showed up, then reused to engage in the discussion, silently traipsing out to tell the assembled news media that they had nothing to say to Obama. > > After multiple attempts to get them to participate, the Democratic leadership moved on without them. The Republicans then spent the next seven years lying that they were excluded from the discussions. > Ironically, a significant portion of Obamacare included numerous provisions that the Republicans had been promoting for years. The Democrats were willing to include “Republican” talking points (_E.g._, the exchanges and basing it on private insurance companies), from the period before Obama’s election, but the Republicans then turned around and attacked many of those same points. All this is, as you might say, “directly false”. I don’t know if there’s a single sentence of this whole quote which is true. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/331 "2016-11-08T17:59:10Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Which “people”? Democrats. Who else? > [@tomndebb](#): > > Obama asked for Republican buy-in and was rebuffed. That a couple of partisans on the Huffpost visitor comments may have tried to tell the Republicans to go away is hardly the responsibility of Obama, Pelosi, or Reid, who all tried to get Republican cooperation. Sorry, but you’re full of it. Democrats were never interested in the other sides opinion. They had a mandate and they wanted to run with it on their own (not that I think that was a mistake. The right wasn’t wild about it in the least, but there were ideas on the right that might have helped… if you think of this in the ‘ok we lost, let’s see how we can contribute or massage this wave to something we all agree on’. Those people, trying that, were told to get lost. Probably the biggest reason not one Republican voted for the matter. Again, more power to you, but don’t act like you grabbed all the ideas out there and wrapped them into a plan. You had a plan you wante and made it into law) ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/332 "2016-11-08T18:07:16Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > It must be hard to go through life as an imbecile who has absolutely no clue how health care works throughout the civilized world… Please tell me how health care works in the civilized world. Cite your examples and please, compare and contrast examples. You getting graded on this. > [@Princhester](#): > > Same thing as allows society to dictate a million and one things that affect our collective lives. Like whether people can have an abortion, whether people can have various drugs, whether certain people can marry etc. All the more reason I want government out of that shit. It’s not up to one, or a party, to tell others what they ‘need’ or should want. Vague, sure. But more of what I want - less government (people telling me) everything. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/333 "2016-11-08T18:15:00Z")
Ah, tighty righty tears! Bitter, yet sweet. Venomous, yet wholesome and nutritious! Please post more, all day, haven’t laughed so hard since they shot Old Yeller! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/334 "2016-11-08T18:40:40Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Please tell me how health care works in the civilized world. Cite your examples and please, compare and contrast examples. You getting graded on this. > . I pay $150/month health insurance for my family. A few years ago my wife had a serious gall bladder attack. Went to emergency. She was seen within 15 minutes. On pain medication within 30 minutes. Surgery later that day. The care was excellent. The costs? I did not worry about them at all. But I do know that the costs were much, much lower than in a comparable situation in the US. For example, the drugs, anesthesia etc. that she received is priced much lower, since our entire province is the single purchaser, and gets a great deal. This same service would have been available to ANY person in the province, rich or poor, based on their emergent MEDICAL needs. We could not buy our way to the front of the line; these decisions were made by medical professionals. This does make some people sad - people who think they are better or more important due to the size of their wallets, and others should get out of their way, even if they die. We did not see a bill. Everyone involved, from triage nurse to surgeon to suppliers were paid promptly and easily through the single system. No haggling with insurance by anybody at any time. No profit being syphoned off by private company middle managers pushing paper, or shareholders demanding a bigger return on their investment. We have extra insurance for medications, dental, physio, massage, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/335 "2016-11-08T18:50:50Z")
Oh, and if I change jobs, I am covered all the same, at the same cost, without having to think about it. And if I decide to form my own small company, or purchase a franchise, or become an entrepreneur, I can do this, be covered in exactly the same way, with no changes. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/336 "2016-11-08T18:52:10Z")
Thanks, **Euphonious Polemic** , but I don’t think that’s what our friend wanted. He’s looking only for examples that _support_ his preconceived world view. All other facts will be ignored. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/337 "2016-11-08T19:28:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Ah, tighty righty tears! Bitter, yet sweet. Venomous, yet wholesome and nutritious! Please post more, all day, haven’t laughed so hard since they shot Old Yeller! God you get old. Do you ever get that? Of course not. You’re way too assured of yourself to think otherwise. It’s why you post five posts to everyone elses one - you’re in love with yourself and everything you say. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/338 "2016-11-08T19:57:46Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Of course not. You’re way too assured of yourself to think otherwise. It’s why you post five posts to everyone elses one - you’re in love with yourself and everything you say. Your posts in this thread currently outnumber luci’s 23 to 1. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/339 "2016-11-08T20:52:55Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Your posts in this thread currently outnumber luci’s 23 to 1. And that, my friends, is what we call a Sick Burn. ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2016, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465/340 "2016-11-08T20:54:46Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Your posts in this thread currently outnumber luci’s 23 to 1. Pfft, facts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/clothahump-and-others/770465.md?page=18)